Mcdaniels did not make all defense team

[KiwiMatt]

Jaden was definately snubbed.

And it’s pretty hard to grab rebounds when night in night out you are defending the opposition point guard at the 3pt line!

Hopefully this motivates Jaden even more.

[Lipoli390]

I think Jaden’s somewhat mixed bag of defensive and rebounding stats relative to those who were selected tells us that this wasn’t a snub. Q called the question: Who would you bump in favor of Jaden? I’d bump Dillon Brooks, but there’s a sold argument in favor of Brooks over Jaden.

It’s clear that Jaden takes pride in his defense and I think he really wanted the recognition. So he’ll likely be really disappointed. I’m hoping that being left off the all-defensive teams will further motivate him to continue improving. I was disappointed when the Wolves drafted him. But by the end of his rookie season I concluded that he could eventually become an all-star. I still believe that. His defense will likely get even better and I think we’ll see a lot of improvement in his offense over the next few seasons. I’m not sure yet about his rebounding. That’s a skill that doesn’t tend to improve much over time in the NBA. But he certainly has the length and athleticism so I’m not writing off improvement in that area. I’m just exciting to see what Jaden becomes over the next few years.

[KG4Ever]

Geez, this is great news for the Wolves, not Jaden! if he's on the all defense team, he'll demand more money. Damn, KAT's all-star showings cost this organization a lot, and he still only plays on one side of the ball plus now he has Thibsitis and can't last a whole season.

[Monster]

Brooks also is more of a SF/SG whereas McDaniels is more of an SF/PF. Also, Memphis was an average defensive rebounding team, so you can't draw a straight line from his lack of boards to an overall team defense shortcoming. I know that gets into the weeds a bit....It's just not obvious to me who I'd bump off the list in favor of Jaden.

Caruso might be questionable because he plays less than 25 MPG and mostly comes off the bench. But he is really effective when he's in the game. The Bulls had the 5th rated defense in the NBA, which seems implausible on paper when they've got guys like LaVine and DeRozan on the wings (historically poor defenders). Caruso is a big part of shoring it all up and then some.

McDaniels guards PG often. He has the length of a bigger player like you suggest but as a defender he really plays like a wing like I assume Brooks does. There have been plenty of elite or excellent defenders over the years that didn’t rebound much at all. Klay Thompson is just one example.

I think McDaniels absolutely deserved to be an all defensive selection and I’m a little disappointed he didn’t get it. Meanwhile I look at the guys that got selected and I’m not exactly seeing any players where I’m like oh that guy isn’t good on defense and therefore not deserving. Heck it’s kinda awesome to see Caruso get those first team props. I would not be surprised if we could come up with 5 more players that could be legit deserving to be named on an all defense team.

[Q-is-here]

Brooks also is more of a SF/SG whereas McDaniels is more of an SF/PF. Also, Memphis was an average defensive rebounding team, so you can't draw a straight line from his lack of boards to an overall team defense shortcoming. I know that gets into the weeds a bit....It's just not obvious to me who I'd bump off the list in favor of Jaden.

Caruso might be questionable because he plays less than 25 MPG and mostly comes off the bench. But he is really effective when he's in the game. The Bulls had the 5th rated defense in the NBA, which seems implausible on paper when they've got guys like LaVine and DeRozan on the wings (historically poor defenders). Caruso is a big part of shoring it all up and then some.

McDaniels guards PG often. He has the length of a bigger player like you suggest but as a defender he really plays like a wing like I assume Brooks does. There have been plenty of elite or excellent defenders over the years that didn’t rebound much at all. Klay Thompson is just one example.

I think McDaniels absolutely deserved to be an all defensive selection and I’m a little disappointed he didn’t get it. Meanwhile I look at the guys that got selected and I’m not exactly seeing any players where I’m like oh that guy isn’t good on defense and therefore not deserving. Heck it’s kinda awesome to see Caruso get those first team props. I would not be surprised if we could come up with 5 more players that could be legit deserving to be named on an all defense team.

Jaden guards all sorts of positions. And a lot of PGs like to get in the paint anyway. Bottom line is given his size and position, he's a poor defensive rebounder. That doesn't take away from his otherwise excellent defense, but when the team's biggest weakness on defense is rebounding and your starting small forward is a poor defensive rebounder, then he's part of the problem.

[Coolbreeze44]

Was he snubbed? Yeah, kinda sorta. But the real injustice is Wolves fans complaining about his rebounding. He guards the other team's best player night in and night out and still ranked as elite in the stats Kek laid out. When you're guarding the other teams best player, usually a point guard or wing who is taking a lot of shots, guess what - you're not going to be in position for a lot of rebounds. He also shares the court with two 7 footers who gobble up a lot of rebounds, a lot of which are caused by Jaden's tough defense. This is like telling Steph Curry that sure your outside shooting is great, but what about your back to the basket game?

[FNG]

Again, Jaden is only 22 years old and has a bright future in this league. But only 3 bigs make first team all defense, and any arguments that he is a better defender than JJJ, Mobley, Lopez, Giannis, Bam, Draymond, Kawhi, Anunoby, PG, Anthony Davis and Jimmy Butler are a stretch...even for a homer like me! Maybe you can have a decent discussion comparing him to a couple of those guys, but he's not better than 8 of them. I hope that Jaden thinks he is better than all those guys because
I like a confident defender, but I certainly can understand why the voters might have the 11 guys I list ahead of him. I'm not going to lose any sleep over this one.

[Monster]

Brooks also is more of a SF/SG whereas McDaniels is more of an SF/PF. Also, Memphis was an average defensive rebounding team, so you can't draw a straight line from his lack of boards to an overall team defense shortcoming. I know that gets into the weeds a bit....It's just not obvious to me who I'd bump off the list in favor of Jaden.

Caruso might be questionable because he plays less than 25 MPG and mostly comes off the bench. But he is really effective when he's in the game. The Bulls had the 5th rated defense in the NBA, which seems implausible on paper when they've got guys like LaVine and DeRozan on the wings (historically poor defenders). Caruso is a big part of shoring it all up and then some.

McDaniels guards PG often. He has the length of a bigger player like you suggest but as a defender he really plays like a wing like I assume Brooks does. There have been plenty of elite or excellent defenders over the years that didn’t rebound much at all. Klay Thompson is just one example.

I think McDaniels absolutely deserved to be an all defensive selection and I’m a little disappointed he didn’t get it. Meanwhile I look at the guys that got selected and I’m not exactly seeing any players where I’m like oh that guy isn’t good on defense and therefore not deserving. Heck it’s kinda awesome to see Caruso get those first team props. I would not be surprised if we could come up with 5 more players that could be legit deserving to be named on an all defense team.

Jaden guards all sorts of positions. And a lot of PGs like to get in the paint anyway. Bottom line is given his size and position, he's a poor defensive rebounder. That doesn't take away from his otherwise excellent defense, but when the team's biggest weakness on defense is rebounding and your starting small forward is a poor defensive rebounder, then he's part of the problem.

It would be interesting to know how much of the time Russell was guarding a SF this year with the Wolves. Would that make him a SF and therefore a bad rebounder for his position?

I think your point about McDaniels rebounding can be an issue overall for the team but I don’t see it as much of an issue in terms of an all-defensive team. How many guard defenders are also at times help rim defenders? McDaniels brings a lot defensively. Hopefully he continues to get better on that end and also some benefit of the doubt from officials too.

[Wolvesfan21]

Scottie Pippen avg 6.6 boards per game over his career, hit a career high at 8.9 at age 28.

Dennis Rodman a skinny primarily defensive dude avg 13.1 boards per game for his career.

Jaden is at 3.9 so far for his career. I get it he is many times guarding the shot taker or most difficult matchup. 3.9 isn't acceptable either way.

The Wolves were 27th in rebounding last year at 48.5%. Any guy who isn't avg or above avg we need to look at.

[Coolbreeze44]

Scottie Pippen avg 6.6 boards per game over his career, hit a career high at 8.9 at age 28.

Dennis Rodman a skinny primarily defensive dude avg 13.1 boards per game for his career.

Jaden is at 3.9 so far for his career. I get it he is many times guarding the shot taker or most difficult matchup. 3.9 isn't acceptable either way.

The Wolves were 27th in rebounding last year at 48.5%. Any guy who isn't avg or above avg we need to look at.

His contested rebound percentage was in the top half of the league. To me that is the most important rebounding stat. He probably won't ever be a great rebounder, but I don't think he needs to be. Pippen and Rodman are all time great players. He must be doing something right to be compared to those two guys.