Q-is-here wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:49 am
Tyus keeps coming up, but Washington literally has three PGs that would really fit well on our roster: Tyus Jones, Monte Morris, and Delon Wright. There is just no way they are keeping all three of those guys.
All would be upgrades to Jordan McLaughlin. I agree with Tim that where there is smoke, there is fire, but I think the fire could be any one of these three players.
Just for yucks... Prince, Moore and a 2nd rounder for Tyus and Muscala works after July 1st (Muscala actually fits in one of our trade exceptions). This pretty much leaves Naz out of the picture.
Conley, Tyus, Jmac
ANT, NAW, Clark (not available to play)
McDaniels, Minot, Ryan (maybe on a 2-way?)
KAT, Slo-Mo, Miller
Rudy, Muscala, Nate (or Garza)
And then TC figures out how to bring it all together in 2024, going into the luxury tax but staying below the 2nd apron.
Q-is-here wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:49 am
Tyus keeps coming up, but Washington literally has three PGs that would really fit well on our roster: Tyus Jones, Monte Morris, and Delon Wright. There is just no way they are keeping all three of those guys.
All would be upgrades to Jordan McLaughlin. I agree with Tim that where there is smoke, there is fire, but I think the fire could be any one of these three players.
Just for yucks... Prince, Moore and a 2nd rounder for Tyus and Muscala works after July 1st (Muscala actually fits in one of our trade exceptions). This pretty much leaves Naz out of the picture.
Conley, Tyus, Jmac
ANT, NAW, Clark (not available to play)
McDaniels, Minot, Ryan (maybe on a 2-way?)
KAT, Slo-Mo, Miller
Rudy, Muscala, Nate (or Garza)
And then TC figures out how to bring it all together in 2024, going into the luxury tax but staying below the 2nd apron.
That squad would be really good defensively. Offensively, we'd have to hope that the 3's are falling for that bench unit.
Q-is-here wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:49 am
Tyus keeps coming up, but Washington literally has three PGs that would really fit well on our roster: Tyus Jones, Monte Morris, and Delon Wright. There is just no way they are keeping all three of those guys.
All would be upgrades to Jordan McLaughlin. I agree with Tim that where there is smoke, there is fire, but I think the fire could be any one of these three players.
Just for yucks... Prince, Moore and a 2nd rounder for Tyus and Muscala works after July 1st (Muscala actually fits in one of our trade exceptions). This pretty much leaves Naz out of the picture.
Conley, Tyus, Jmac
ANT, NAW, Clark (not available to play)
McDaniels, Minot, Ryan (maybe on a 2-way?)
KAT, Slo-Mo, Miller
Rudy, Muscala, Nate (or Garza)
And then TC figures out how to bring it all together in 2024, going into the luxury tax but staying below the 2nd apron.
Tyus can’t be aggregated with other players in a trade until Aug. 20. Moreover, adding Muscala to the deal wouldn’t work under the salary cap. Prince’s salary is around $7.4M compared to Tyus at $14M. Adding Muscala’s salary wouldn’t comply with the salary match requirement.
A trade that would work financially and that MIGHT be realistic would be Prince, Moore and JMac for Tyus. That’s a deal the Wolves could make tomorrow. It would increase the Wolves net payroll by around $2 million, which might still leave just enough room to re-sign Naz without exceeding the luxury tax threshold. But it would exacerbate the second-apron problem after next season, although it would set up a a situation in which the Wolves could let Conley go and re-sign Tyus to be the team’s starting PG at round $25 million.
I think it’s far more realistic and sensible to pursue Monte Morris or Delon Wright.
Q-is-here wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:49 am
Tyus keeps coming up, but Washington literally has three PGs that would really fit well on our roster: Tyus Jones, Monte Morris, and Delon Wright. There is just no way they are keeping all three of those guys.
All would be upgrades to Jordan McLaughlin. I agree with Tim that where there is smoke, there is fire, but I think the fire could be any one of these three players.
Just for yucks... Prince, Moore and a 2nd rounder for Tyus and Muscala works after July 1st (Muscala actually fits in one of our trade exceptions). This pretty much leaves Naz out of the picture.
Conley, Tyus, Jmac
ANT, NAW, Clark (not available to play)
McDaniels, Minot, Ryan (maybe on a 2-way?)
KAT, Slo-Mo, Miller
Rudy, Muscala, Nate (or Garza)
And then TC figures out how to bring it all together in 2024, going into the luxury tax but staying below the 2nd apron.
Tyus can’t be aggregated with other players in a trade until Aug. 20. Moreover, adding Muscala to the deal wouldn’t work under the salary cap. Prince’s salary is around $7.4M compared to Tyus at $14M. Adding Muscala’s salary wouldn’t comply with the salary match requirement.
A trade that would work financially and that MIGHT be realistic would be Prince, Moore and JMac for Tyus. That’s a deal the Wolves could make tomorrow. It would increase the Wolves net payroll by around $2 million, which might still leave just enough room to re-sign Naz without exceeding the luxury tax threshold. But it would exacerbate the second-apron problem after next season, although it would set up a a situation in which the Wolves could let Conley go and re-sign Tyus to be the team’s starting PG at round $25 million.
I think it’s far more realistic and sensible to pursue Monte Morris or Delon Wright.
It would actually be two separate trades to make it work within the rules: Prince & Moore for Tyus (falls with in the 5.1 mil requirement after the 1st of July), and then Muscala for a 2nd round pick, with Muscala fitting into one of our trade exceptions.
While Morris or Wright might be more "sensible" financially, we are talking about the guy who gave up the farm to make a BIG splash with Gobert! Tyus seems like a terrific PG caretaker for this team, just as Conley is now. I would anticipate re-signing both in 2024, with Conley signing for a smaller amount for a backup role.
Just for yucks... Prince, Moore and a 2nd rounder for Tyus and Muscala works after July 1st (Muscala actually fits in one of our trade exceptions). This pretty much leaves Naz out of the picture.
Conley, Tyus, Jmac
ANT, NAW, Clark (not available to play)
McDaniels, Minot, Ryan (maybe on a 2-way?)
KAT, Slo-Mo, Miller
Rudy, Muscala, Nate (or Garza)
And then TC figures out how to bring it all together in 2024, going into the luxury tax but staying below the 2nd apron.
Tyus can’t be aggregated with other players in a trade until Aug. 20. Moreover, adding Muscala to the deal wouldn’t work under the salary cap. Prince’s salary is around $7.4M compared to Tyus at $14M. Adding Muscala’s salary wouldn’t comply with the salary match requirement.
A trade that would work financially and that MIGHT be realistic would be Prince, Moore and JMac for Tyus. That’s a deal the Wolves could make tomorrow. It would increase the Wolves net payroll by around $2 million, which might still leave just enough room to re-sign Naz without exceeding the luxury tax threshold. But it would exacerbate the second-apron problem after next season, although it would set up a a situation in which the Wolves could let Conley go and re-sign Tyus to be the team’s starting PG at round $25 million.
I think it’s far more realistic and sensible to pursue Monte Morris or Delon Wright.
It would actually be two separate trades to make it work within the rules: Prince & Moore for Tyus (falls with in the 5.1 mil requirement after the 1st of July), and then Muscala for a 2nd round pick, with Muscala fitting into one of our trade exceptions.
While Morris or Wright might be more "sensible" financially, we are talking about the guy who gave up the farm to make a BIG splash with Gobert! Tyus seems like a terrific PG caretaker for this team, just as Conley is now. I would anticipate re-signing both in 2024, with Conley signing for a smaller amount for a backup role.
I can certainly see Conley making those deals - including the second deal for Muscala as a sweetener to get Tyus. I’m OK with that provided they don’t give up Minott or Miller as part of making another big splash.
My problem with McLaughlin is less about his talent or ability to play it’s his ability to stay healthy and then play well after he is back. It wasn’t just last year McLaughlin has been hurt. What makes his missing some games every year more problematic is Conley age and own injury history. It feels possible we could be playing without either of those guys and we will be relying on Anderson and other guards to carry the load. I think the Wolves should try and upgrade the guard position and it may not have to be a true PG but I think it needs to be more of a legit combo guard.
Monster wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:46 pm
My problem with McLaughlin is less about his talent or ability to play it’s his ability to stay healthy and then play well after he is back. It wasn’t just last year McLaughlin has been hurt. What makes his missing some games every year more problematic is Conley age and own injury history. It feels possible we could be playing without either of those guys and we will be relying on Anderson and other guards to carry the load. I think the Wolves should try and upgrade the guard position and it may not have to be a true PG but I think it needs to be more of a legit combo guard.
Yep. Very good points. I have to believe there will be some veteran guys floating around out there as teams settle their rosters. We don't need a star. But someone that's capable and won't hurt us. Cripes...I bet DLO will be available again. I'd actually like him coming off the bench with the second unit. He could provide scoring (which we need) and be a safety net to Conley if he goes down. And I don't even like DLO! It will never happen - but I'd look for something in that mold and I don't think it would be impossible to find a shoot first PG.
Monster wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:46 pm
My problem with McLaughlin is less about his talent or ability to play it’s his ability to stay healthy and then play well after he is back. It wasn’t just last year McLaughlin has been hurt. What makes his missing some games every year more problematic is Conley age and own injury history. It feels possible we could be playing without either of those guys and we will be relying on Anderson and other guards to carry the load. I think the Wolves should try and upgrade the guard position and it may not have to be a true PG but I think it needs to be more of a legit combo guard.
Yep. Very good points. I have to believe there will be some veteran guys floating around out there as teams settle their rosters. We don't need a star. But someone that's capable and won't hurt us. Cripes...I bet DLO will be available again. I'd actually like him coming off the bench with the second unit. He could provide scoring (which we need) and be a safety net to Conley if he goes down. And I don't even like DLO! It will never happen - but I'd look for something in that mold and I don't think it would be impossible to find a shoot first PG.
Anderson is as good as any player in the League in a backup PG role. I can’t stress enough the fact that he was a PG coming out of college and I truly believe after watching him over the years, especially last season, that PG is his natural position. So we really go three deep at PG - Conley as the starter with Anderson and JMac off the bench. So I don’t see an urgent or compelling need for a backup PG.
Our need is mainly a longer term candidate to succeed Conley as our starter long term. What makes Tyus so attractive, in addition to his talent, is that he just turned 27, which means he can succeed Conley as our starting PG immediately and for many years. He’s the PG of the Wolves past, present and future.
Great point about SloMo and point guard. He's the reason Zach LaVine only started one game at UCLA...SloMo was much better running the point.
I'm also comfortable with a Conley/JMac/SloMo triad at the point. We gotta keep JMac around for three reasons...his stellar assist to turnover ratio, his contract, and he has the best looking wife/girlfriend on the roster (in my humble opinion).
Monster wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:46 pm
My problem with McLaughlin is less about his talent or ability to play it’s his ability to stay healthy and then play well after he is back. It wasn’t just last year McLaughlin has been hurt. What makes his missing some games every year more problematic is Conley age and own injury history. It feels possible we could be playing without either of those guys and we will be relying on Anderson and other guards to carry the load. I think the Wolves should try and upgrade the guard position and it may not have to be a true PG but I think it needs to be more of a legit combo guard.
Yep. Very good points. I have to believe there will be some veteran guys floating around out there as teams settle their rosters. We don't need a star. But someone that's capable and won't hurt us. Cripes...I bet DLO will be available again. I'd actually like him coming off the bench with the second unit. He could provide scoring (which we need) and be a safety net to Conley if he goes down. And I don't even like DLO! It will never happen - but I'd look for something in that mold and I don't think it would be impossible to find a shoot first PG.
Anderson is as good as any player in the League in a backup PG role. I can’t stress enough the fact that he was a PG coming out of college and I truly believe after watching him over the years, especially last season, that PG is his natural position. So we really go three deep at PG - Conley as the starter with Anderson and JMac off the bench. So I don’t see an urgent or compelling need for a backup PG.
Our need is mainly a longer term candidate to succeed Conley as our starter long term. What makes Tyus so attractive, in addition to his talent, is that he just turned 27, which means he can succeed Conley as our starting PG immediately and for many years. He’s the PG of the Wolves past, present and future.
Lip did you watch the Wolves last year? The Wolves absolutely need help at guard. Anderson who I told everyone when he was signed he was a PG honestly saved the season but not having another guy off the bench that can legit handle the ball and make reasonably good decisions really hurt the wolves last year especially how Finch likes to play. I think it probably hurt Nowell some. The wolves NEED a legit guard (like I said it can be a combo guard) they can’t just be like oh Anderson is gonna save us if we have injuries. I say that partly because he tends to miss a few games himself. I like NAW as a guy that can help there but I don’t think we can just assume he will be good enough either. Keep in mind the Wolves aren’t likely to have Rivers either who was a decent vet sorta combo guard to some extent because he could actually defend.
Maybe the Wolves believe Moore can help in some way shape of form as a guard. That would be nice. I just don’t see how the Wolves cant add in some way shape or form someone semi-legit to that guard group. Fortunately it seems like there are various options.
