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Re: Kekgeek grades preseason G1 vs lakers
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 8:56 pm
by Q-is-here
60WinTim wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2024 7:57 pm
FNG - did you ever get a chance to watch this game? If you haven't, I highly recommend checking it out!
DDV looked very competent. Why wouldn't you play him 30+ minutes a game? I expect Finch to experiment with an ANT/DDV backcourt at times this preseason to see how well it might work.
Minott followed up all the praise from Finch this summer with a dominant game on both sides of the court. We have the entire pre-season to go, but chalk one up in Minott's column for backing up Jaden instead of Ingles. On paper, it could make a lot of sense. Minott backs up Jaden, but Ingles is there to sub in when Minott hits some bumps in the road.
Rob looked really good as well. We were promised he will get minutes right away. If he continues with a strong preseason, why wouldn't they give him minutes? And if Rob is getting minutes behind Conley, along with ANT and DDV getting big minutes, where does that leave NAW? It seems like he could wind up with the same role as Ingles: ready to step in when Rob hits some bumps in the road.
Anyway, this all early speculation, subject to the what we observe in the next few preseason games. But it sure seems like a real possibility. And others looked competent as well, including TSJ and Garza. Watch the game and tell me what you think.
I'm going to keep saying what I've been saying since we drafted Dillingham. NAW is most likely going to sub for Conley first, with DDV likely coming in for McDaniels (then Ant slides to the 3, which he easily has enough size and strength to play). Dillingham will be the 3rd guard off the bench and NAW will split his time between PG and wing minutes.
Re: Kekgeek grades preseason G1 vs lakers
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:19 am
by DNatagal
How about a 5 out system with Naz or Randle at the 5, Ant, NAW, DDV and Minott for some serious lock down defense at the end of the 1st quarter when KAT Conley and Gobert sit. That might be a fun group to watch!
The lineup possibilities are endless with this group.
Re: Kekgeek grades preseason G1 vs lakers
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:57 pm
by Q-is-here
DNatagal wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:19 am
How about a 5 out system with Naz or Randle at the 5, Ant, NAW, DDV and Minott for some serious lock down defense at the end of the 1st quarter when KAT Conley and Gobert sit. That might be a fun group to watch!
The lineup possibilities are endless with this group.
I think they will play 5-out pretty much every time Gobert isn't in the game and they don't otherwise have an obvious mis-match in the post they want to attack. Randle is a bit shaky as a floor spacer, with mixed success as a 3-point shooter over the years (33% career beyond the arc). I really think Finch is going to put the ball in Randle's hands a lot and ask him to be more of a play maker this year.
Re: Kekgeek grades preseason G1 vs lakers
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 3:20 pm
by FNG
Q-is-here wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:57 pm
DNatagal wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:19 am
How about a 5 out system with Naz or Randle at the 5, Ant, NAW, DDV and Minott for some serious lock down defense at the end of the 1st quarter when KAT Conley and Gobert sit. That might be a fun group to watch!
The lineup possibilities are endless with this group.
I think they will play 5-out pretty much every time Gobert isn't in the game and they don't otherwise have an obvious mis-match in the post they want to attack. Randle is a bit shaky as a floor spacer, with mixed success as a 3-point shooter over the years (33% career beyond the arc). I really think Finch is going to put the ball in Randle's hands a lot and ask him to be more of a play maker this year.
I'm hoping Finchie knows that Randle made 53% of his corner 3's last season (and over 37% for his career), and works with him to focus more on getting into the corner. The problem is he doesn't take many corner 3's...only 15% of his 3-point attempts were from the corner last year and for his career. Finchie has to coach him to get him more comfortable on getting open in the corner, and discouraging 3's from other spots beyond the arc where he averages less than 30%.
Re: Kekgeek grades preseason G1 vs lakers
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:46 pm
by Monster
FNG wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 3:20 pm
Q-is-here wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:57 pm
DNatagal wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:19 am
How about a 5 out system with Naz or Randle at the 5, Ant, NAW, DDV and Minott for some serious lock down defense at the end of the 1st quarter when KAT Conley and Gobert sit. That might be a fun group to watch!
The lineup possibilities are endless with this group.
I think they will play 5-out pretty much every time Gobert isn't in the game and they don't otherwise have an obvious mis-match in the post they want to attack. Randle is a bit shaky as a floor spacer, with mixed success as a 3-point shooter over the years (33% career beyond the arc). I really think Finch is going to put the ball in Randle's hands a lot and ask him to be more of a play maker this year.
I'm hoping Finchie knows that Randle made 53% of his corner 3's last season (and over 37% for his career), and works with him to focus more on getting into the corner. The problem is he doesn't take many corner 3's...only 15% of his 3-point attempts were from the corner last year and for his career. Finchie has to coach him to get him more comfortable on getting open in the corner, and discouraging 3's from other spots beyond the arc where he averages less than 30%.
Anyone know what the league average is on non-corner 3's? I'm curious.
Re: Kekgeek grades preseason G1 vs lakers
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:54 pm
by Q-is-here
Monster wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:46 pm
FNG wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 3:20 pm
Q-is-here wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:57 pm
I think they will play 5-out pretty much every time Gobert isn't in the game and they don't otherwise have an obvious mis-match in the post they want to attack. Randle is a bit shaky as a floor spacer, with mixed success as a 3-point shooter over the years (33% career beyond the arc). I really think Finch is going to put the ball in Randle's hands a lot and ask him to be more of a play maker this year.
I'm hoping Finchie knows that Randle made 53% of his corner 3's last season (and over 37% for his career), and works with him to focus more on getting into the corner. The problem is he doesn't take many corner 3's...only 15% of his 3-point attempts were from the corner last year and for his career. Finchie has to coach him to get him more comfortable on getting open in the corner, and discouraging 3's from other spots beyond the arc where he averages less than 30%.
Anyone know what the league average is on non-corner 3's? I'm curious.
Based on looking at b-ball reference and doing a little math, I come up with 35.7%. Here is the full data:
Corner 3 FG% - 39.3% (about 25% of all 3s)
Non-Corner 3 FG% - 35.7% (about 75% of all 3s)
Overall 3 FG% - 36.6%
Back to FNG's point on Randle shooting more corner 3's....I don't think the sample size from last year is significant enough to draw any conclusions from it. 15% of 244 3s attempted add up to only 36 or 37 corner 3's attempted. Sorry, but whether Julius hit 25 or 5 of those 3's, I wouldn't draw anything from it. In the prior two years he shot 33% and 29% respectively from the corners, also on small sample sizes.
I guess what you could say is that, in general, corner 3s are better than any other 3 because it's the nearest to the basket. That logic seems to apply to Randle over the course of his entire career sample size. But you better believe his guy is going to be the most likely to be the "low man" in pick and roll coverage if he's parked in the corner.