FNG wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 10:55 am
Ha, FNG misreads his own poll, and votes yes instead of no! So the actual poll results are 6 in favor of the trade to 2 against. Ju's -20 and 6 TOs last night has me feeling not so good about the trade this morning though. What happened to the Randle that was flirting with triple doubles just a short time ago?
I read it as would you make the opposite trade right now so I voted No, as in would you want KAT back. No I don't want him back, I am in favor of the original trade. I like DDV and the financial flexibility was needed for ownership and the FO.
the financial flexibility they're claiming comes from this trade is a lie that was based on the idea that Randle would play well enough to opt out which doesn't look realistic anymore. Whatever money they're "saving" would theoretically just go to Naz and NAW. The only place where they saved money was in the Gobert extension for next year. Naz is probably gonna ask for $30 mil a year which is about $10 more than what they assumed even after he won 6th man of the year. NAW might want the full MLE which is 3x worth what he makes now. The cheaper guys they have are either guys Finch can't find time for (Clark, Shannon) or guys Finch doesn't wanna play at all (Dillingham, Garza, the Detroit 1st). If the offseason is banking on a team thinking Connelly is Santa Claus and taking Randle off our books for free, yikes.
We'll sure. I'd rather have Naz and Randle then KAT. Not to mention DDV and the 1st round pick too. Maybe we can keep NAW also. I'm kind of hoping Randle opts in now too, we kind of suck without him. Naz and NAW might just be pricing themselves much cheaper now with their up and down play.
The KAT, Ant, Rudy, Jaden combo with a bunch of rookies isn't a long term title winner I don't think. So KAT had to go, he just sucks when the games really matter.
NAZ has not been as impactful as he was last year. His numbers across the board are mostly down. He has not shown that he is ready to be a starting PF on a championship team.
Is NAZ more valuable than Jaden who will be making under 25 mil next year?
Last season the 6th man of the year award was a neck-and-neck battle between NAZ and Malik Monk. Malik signed a new contract last offseason starting at 17.5 mil. That's more in line with what I expect NAZ to get -- a raise from what his opt-in value would have been, and well above the MLE.
60WinTim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:42 am
30 mil for NAZ?!? Yeah, right!
NAZ has not been as impactful as he was last year. His numbers across the board are mostly down. He has not shown that he is ready to be a starting PF on a championship team.
Is NAZ more valuable than Jaden who will be making under 25 mil next year?
Last season the 6th man of the year award was a neck-and-neck battle between NAZ and Malik Monk. Malik signed a new contract last offseason starting at 17.5 mil. That's more in line with what I expect NAZ to get -- a raise from what his opt-in value would have been, and well above the MLE.
I agree that 30 mill is ridiculous right now. Somewhere around 20 per is probably more likely. Also almost no teams have cap room also, so the bidding for FA's is going to be super slim. Had he taken a step up from last year, then I agree with 30 mill. But he has if anything been a little worse. He could still turn things around a ball out the rest of the year and playoffs, then things change.
60WinTim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:42 am
30 mil for NAZ?!? Yeah, right!
NAZ has not been as impactful as he was last year. His numbers across the board are mostly down. He has not shown that he is ready to be a starting PF on a championship team.
Is NAZ more valuable than Jaden who will be making under 25 mil next year?
Last season the 6th man of the year award was a neck-and-neck battle between NAZ and Malik Monk. Malik signed a new contract last offseason starting at 17.5 mil. That's more in line with what I expect NAZ to get -- a raise from what his opt-in value would have been, and well above the MLE.
I agree that 30 mill is ridiculous right now. Somewhere around 20 per is probably more likely. Also almost no teams have cap room also, so the bidding for FA's is going to be super slim. Had he taken a step up from last year, then I agree with 30 mill. But he has if anything been a little worse. He could still turn things around a ball out the rest of the year and playoffs, then things change.
the teams that do have money would make it tougher to keep Naz (not saying he's leaving), especially the Spurs and Nets. More importantly, some teams have starting roles that we still don't have yet for him. Now regardless of what Naz's worth might be, if you think he's taking less to stay again, you must think his agent is a sucker. If all you think he can muster is $17.5 mil per year, he might as well opt in himself, but we know he's not doing that.
I read it as would you make the opposite trade right now so I voted No, as in would you want KAT back. No I don't want him back, I am in favor of the original trade. I like DDV and the financial flexibility was needed for ownership and the FO.
the financial flexibility they're claiming comes from this trade is a lie that was based on the idea that Randle would play well enough to opt out which doesn't look realistic anymore. Whatever money they're "saving" would theoretically just go to Naz and NAW. The only place where they saved money was in the Gobert extension for next year. Naz is probably gonna ask for $30 mil a year which is about $10 more than what they assumed even after he won 6th man of the year. NAW might want the full MLE which is 3x worth what he makes now. The cheaper guys they have are either guys Finch can't find time for (Clark, Shannon) or guys Finch doesn't wanna play at all (Dillingham, Garza, the Detroit 1st). If the offseason is banking on a team thinking Connelly is Santa Claus and taking Randle off our books for free, yikes.
We'll sure. I'd rather have Naz and Randle then KAT. Not to mention DDV and the 1st round pick too. Maybe we can keep NAW also. I'm kind of hoping Randle opts in now too, we kind of suck without him. Naz and NAW might just be pricing themselves much cheaper now with their up and down play.
The KAT, Ant, Rudy, Jaden combo with a bunch of rookies isn't a long term title winner I don't think. So KAT had to go, he just sucks when the games really matter.
so KAT sucks when the games really matter, yet you'd rather have the big man who is worse when the games really matter?
WildWolf2813 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:04 pm
the financial flexibility they're claiming comes from this trade is a lie that was based on the idea that Randle would play well enough to opt out which doesn't look realistic anymore. Whatever money they're "saving" would theoretically just go to Naz and NAW. The only place where they saved money was in the Gobert extension for next year. Naz is probably gonna ask for $30 mil a year which is about $10 more than what they assumed even after he won 6th man of the year. NAW might want the full MLE which is 3x worth what he makes now. The cheaper guys they have are either guys Finch can't find time for (Clark, Shannon) or guys Finch doesn't wanna play at all (Dillingham, Garza, the Detroit 1st). If the offseason is banking on a team thinking Connelly is Santa Claus and taking Randle off our books for free, yikes.
We'll sure. I'd rather have Naz and Randle then KAT. Not to mention DDV and the 1st round pick too. Maybe we can keep NAW also. I'm kind of hoping Randle opts in now too, we kind of suck without him. Naz and NAW might just be pricing themselves much cheaper now with their up and down play.
The KAT, Ant, Rudy, Jaden combo with a bunch of rookies isn't a long term title winner I don't think. So KAT had to go, he just sucks when the games really matter.
so KAT sucks when the games really matter, yet you'd rather have the big man who is worse when the games really matter?
Yeah, I think that’s a risk with Julius. But I’m looking at how the knicks have lost 3 out of 4 with Brunson out (and 2 losses to the woeful spurs and hornets), while the wolves did fine last season while KAT was out. Seems to provide more evidence that the trade was a good one…for reasons even beyond the financial consideration.
Would I rather have KAT than Randle this season? Putting the payroll issue aside, my answer is Absolutely yes! How about KAT instead of Randle and Detroit’s pick? Again my answer is yes. We were a much better team last season with KAT than we are this season with the players we received in return for KAT. And as much as I like draft picks, future picks don’t win games. Now when you factor in Donte, my answer is probably no. I like what Donte brings to this team. I also love his contract and longer term fit with Ant and Jaden.
WildWolf2813 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:04 pm
the financial flexibility they're claiming comes from this trade is a lie that was based on the idea that Randle would play well enough to opt out which doesn't look realistic anymore. Whatever money they're "saving" would theoretically just go to Naz and NAW. The only place where they saved money was in the Gobert extension for next year. Naz is probably gonna ask for $30 mil a year which is about $10 more than what they assumed even after he won 6th man of the year. NAW might want the full MLE which is 3x worth what he makes now. The cheaper guys they have are either guys Finch can't find time for (Clark, Shannon) or guys Finch doesn't wanna play at all (Dillingham, Garza, the Detroit 1st). If the offseason is banking on a team thinking Connelly is Santa Claus and taking Randle off our books for free, yikes.
We'll sure. I'd rather have Naz and Randle then KAT. Not to mention DDV and the 1st round pick too. Maybe we can keep NAW also. I'm kind of hoping Randle opts in now too, we kind of suck without him. Naz and NAW might just be pricing themselves much cheaper now with their up and down play.
The KAT, Ant, Rudy, Jaden combo with a bunch of rookies isn't a long term title winner I don't think. So KAT had to go, he just sucks when the games really matter.
so KAT sucks when the games really matter, yet you'd rather have the big man who is worse when the games really matter?
Context matters. Ju's certainly been terrible in the playoffs before, but it's still a relatively small sample size. I believe he was hurt one of those years too, but played through it. I think he has a chance to turn it around. While KAT who has a larger track record of failures likely won't. New scenery for both which I don't think really helps KAT as the NY media will switch on him quick, while we're MN nice. Less pressure here for Ju.
We'll sure. I'd rather have Naz and Randle then KAT. Not to mention DDV and the 1st round pick too. Maybe we can keep NAW also. I'm kind of hoping Randle opts in now too, we kind of suck without him. Naz and NAW might just be pricing themselves much cheaper now with their up and down play.
The KAT, Ant, Rudy, Jaden combo with a bunch of rookies isn't a long term title winner I don't think. So KAT had to go, he just sucks when the games really matter.
so KAT sucks when the games really matter, yet you'd rather have the big man who is worse when the games really matter?
Context matters. Ju's certainly been terrible in the playoffs before, but it's still a relatively small sample size. I believe he was hurt one of those years too, but played through it. I think he has a chance to turn it around. While KAT who has a larger track record of failures likely won't. New scenery for both which I don't think really helps KAT as the NY media will switch on him quick, while we're MN nice. Less pressure here for Ju.
Less pressure?
I don't think Randle is experiencing anything different in Minnesota than he did in NY. Randle had a love/hate relationship with NY, but fans did appreciate his toughness. Wolves fans regardless of how they feel about Randle, love Naz more and that's gonna come to a head this summer, especially if Randle's a contributing factor as why Naz isn't here. So far in year 1, KAT hasn't gotten too much criticism. They hate that he isn't better defensively, but to a man they feel he's doing what he was brought to do. Bridges has been more of the whipping boy so far (Hart to a lesser extent). Thibs has gotten some criticism for not involving KAT more in certain situations. They still miss DiVincenzo greatly.
so KAT sucks when the games really matter, yet you'd rather have the big man who is worse when the games really matter?
Context matters. Ju's certainly been terrible in the playoffs before, but it's still a relatively small sample size. I believe he was hurt one of those years too, but played through it. I think he has a chance to turn it around. While KAT who has a larger track record of failures likely won't. New scenery for both which I don't think really helps KAT as the NY media will switch on him quick, while we're MN nice. Less pressure here for Ju.
Less pressure?
I don't think Randle is experiencing anything different in Minnesota than he did in NY. Randle had a love/hate relationship with NY, but fans did appreciate his toughness. Wolves fans regardless of how they feel about Randle, love Naz more and that's gonna come to a head this summer, especially if Randle's a contributing factor as why Naz isn't here. So far in year 1, KAT hasn't gotten too much criticism. They hate that he isn't better defensively, but to a man they feel he's doing what he was brought to do. Bridges has been more of the whipping boy so far (Hart to a lesser extent). Thibs has gotten some criticism for not involving KAT more in certain situations. They still miss DiVincenzo greatly.
