Backup point guard options this summer

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Monster wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 8:24 pm
KiwiMatt wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 12:14 am If you can get Tyus on the cheap I'm all for it. He would certainly help our turnover issues and he's become a 40% 3pt shooter.

A season of Tyus / Conley / Dilly is an ok short term solution for the PG position. Ball handling and creativity has been a real issue this season for this team. Tyus at least helps address that somewhat.
Idk what Tyus is going to value at his next stop assuming he leaves the Suns. I can't help but wonder if the coaching was a problem. They should have been better but they were 13 games worse than they were under Vogel.

Tyus basically gives you something similar to what Conley does but younger. He probably was not as good of a defender as the advanced stats said but I have a hard time believing the last couple years he forgot how to play on that end. It would be cool to add him but maybe they can go for someone with a more different skillsset than Conley idk.
If this version of the Wolves cuts 3 to 5 turnovers off each game, they probably win Game 4. Plus they win another 3 to 5 games in the regular season and would have home court advantage (not that it mattered this year). Taking the ball out of Randles loose handles would be a huge improvement!
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I dig the idea of a Tyus Jones/A.Edwards backcourt.

How much will it cost though? Jones was woefully underpaid last season, so he'll want closer to market value this time. Can the Wolves get there... because the fit is a good one. As a bonus, it means the Wolves might move Dillingham, which I'd rather do now than in two or three years when it's already painfully obvious he's not going to make it.

The one rub is the obvious overlap between Conley/Jones. They're caretakers, so a burst of energy off the bench would be helpful.
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AbeVigodaLive wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 12:53 pm I dig the idea of a Tyus Jones/A.Edwards backcourt.

How much will it cost though? Jones was woefully underpaid last season, so he'll want closer to market value this time. Can the Wolves get there... because the fit is a good one. As a bonus, it means the Wolves might move Dillingham, which I'd rather do now than in two or three years when it's already painfully obvious he's not going to make it.

The one rub is the obvious overlap between Conley/Jones. They're caretakers, so a burst of energy off the bench would be helpful.
I think you would have to move on from Conley. If you are under the tax apron on the first day of free agency, you can sign Tyus to part of an exception and trade Mike for nothing maybe a 2nd round pick swap to a team that wants a veteran, there is always a team in need of a veteran point guard on a one year deal. Tyus value has tanked quite a bit, he even got benched on a team that missed the playoffs. He will need to sign a shorter deal to increase his value around the league. There aren't a lot of teams with cap space this summer to sign him to more than an exception.
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rapsuperstar31 wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 12:56 pm
AbeVigodaLive wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 12:53 pm I dig the idea of a Tyus Jones/A.Edwards backcourt.

How much will it cost though? Jones was woefully underpaid last season, so he'll want closer to market value this time. Can the Wolves get there... because the fit is a good one. As a bonus, it means the Wolves might move Dillingham, which I'd rather do now than in two or three years when it's already painfully obvious he's not going to make it.

The one rub is the obvious overlap between Conley/Jones. They're caretakers, so a burst of energy off the bench would be helpful.
I think you would have to move on from Conley. If you are under the tax apron on the first day of free agency, you can sign Tyus to part of an exception and trade Mike for nothing maybe a 2nd round pick swap to a team that wants a veteran, there is always a team in need of a veteran point guard on a one year deal. Tyus value has tanked quite a bit, he even got benched on a team that missed the playoffs. He will need to sign a shorter deal to increase his value around the league. There aren't a lot of teams with cap space this summer to sign him to more than an exception.
I've always been a fan of Tyus, but I believe he got benched this year because the Suns realize he can't play defense...his defensive metrics this season were horrible. Mike on the other hand not only looked lively, engaged and smart on defense, but his numbers support it. Personally, I would much prefer a Mike/Rob tandem at PG to a Tyus/Rob tandem.
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FNG wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 1:15 pm
rapsuperstar31 wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 12:56 pm
AbeVigodaLive wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 12:53 pm I dig the idea of a Tyus Jones/A.Edwards backcourt.

How much will it cost though? Jones was woefully underpaid last season, so he'll want closer to market value this time. Can the Wolves get there... because the fit is a good one. As a bonus, it means the Wolves might move Dillingham, which I'd rather do now than in two or three years when it's already painfully obvious he's not going to make it.

The one rub is the obvious overlap between Conley/Jones. They're caretakers, so a burst of energy off the bench would be helpful.
I think you would have to move on from Conley. If you are under the tax apron on the first day of free agency, you can sign Tyus to part of an exception and trade Mike for nothing maybe a 2nd round pick swap to a team that wants a veteran, there is always a team in need of a veteran point guard on a one year deal. Tyus value has tanked quite a bit, he even got benched on a team that missed the playoffs. He will need to sign a shorter deal to increase his value around the league. There aren't a lot of teams with cap space this summer to sign him to more than an exception.
I've always been a fan of Tyus, but I believe he got benched this year because the Suns realize he can't play defense...his defensive metrics this season were horrible. Mike on the other hand not only looked lively, engaged and smart on defense, but his numbers support it. Personally, I would much prefer a Mike/Rob tandem at PG to a Tyus/Rob tandem.
To be more clear... I don't think Dillingham is ready or even close to ready. I don't know if he'll ever be. And this is just offensively. The defensive deficiencies will always be there regardless. Ask Cleveland fans about Garland right now.

I’d like to see the Wolves move Dillingham this summer when he has value. Jones could offer a longer ramp up than Conley to whoever they can find… or when/if Edwards becomes that sort of all-dominant player with the ball.
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You think Tim would dare trade for Trae Young?
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BloopOracle wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 2:15 pm You think Tim would dare trade for Trae Young?
At first glance I thought you were referring to me!

But I am confident the answer is "no". For both of us. There is still a salary cap take take into account...
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BloopOracle wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 2:15 pm You think Tim would dare trade for Trae Young?
Which Tim? 60WinTim absolutely! Tim Connelly? May be, but he'd have to clear it with 60WinTim first, then it's a yes.

Edit: Ha, I guess the big guy wouldn't do it!
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AbeVigodaLive wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 2:06 pm
FNG wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 1:15 pm
rapsuperstar31 wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 12:56 pm

I think you would have to move on from Conley. If you are under the tax apron on the first day of free agency, you can sign Tyus to part of an exception and trade Mike for nothing maybe a 2nd round pick swap to a team that wants a veteran, there is always a team in need of a veteran point guard on a one year deal. Tyus value has tanked quite a bit, he even got benched on a team that missed the playoffs. He will need to sign a shorter deal to increase his value around the league. There aren't a lot of teams with cap space this summer to sign him to more than an exception.
I've always been a fan of Tyus, but I believe he got benched this year because the Suns realize he can't play defense...his defensive metrics this season were horrible. Mike on the other hand not only looked lively, engaged and smart on defense, but his numbers support it. Personally, I would much prefer a Mike/Rob tandem at PG to a Tyus/Rob tandem.
To be more clear... I don't think Dillingham is ready or even close to ready. I don't know if he'll ever be. And this is just offensively. The defensive deficiencies will always be there regardless. Ask Cleveland fans about Garland right now.

I’d like to see the Wolves move Dillingham this summer when he has value. Jones could offer a longer ramp up than Conley to whoever they can find… or when/if Edwards becomes that sort of all-dominant player with the ball.
I think two objective people can look at Dillingham and come to opposite conclusions about his future, but I can't remember you being out on a prospect so early in his career. Is it just the small stature or is there more?
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Q-is-here wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 2:39 pm
AbeVigodaLive wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 2:06 pm
FNG wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 1:15 pm

I've always been a fan of Tyus, but I believe he got benched this year because the Suns realize he can't play defense...his defensive metrics this season were horrible. Mike on the other hand not only looked lively, engaged and smart on defense, but his numbers support it. Personally, I would much prefer a Mike/Rob tandem at PG to a Tyus/Rob tandem.
To be more clear... I don't think Dillingham is ready or even close to ready. I don't know if he'll ever be. And this is just offensively. The defensive deficiencies will always be there regardless. Ask Cleveland fans about Garland right now.

I’d like to see the Wolves move Dillingham this summer when he has value. Jones could offer a longer ramp up than Conley to whoever they can find… or when/if Edwards becomes that sort of all-dominant player with the ball.
I think two objective people can look at Dillingham and come to opposite conclusions about his future, but I can't remember you being out on a prospect so early in his career. Is it just the small stature or is there more?
Yeah. I try to be about as pragmatic (to a fault) as I can be.

Obviously, the size/strength is an issue. But it's more about his "feel" for the game. PGs should have an almost supernatural feel for the game ahead of everyone else. I can't exactly explain it, but it's like the best ones lead guys to buckets even before the opportunity surfaces.

Call it a hunch. Call it a guy who is kneejerk reactionary when it comes to evaluating his favorite position in sports. But I haven't been this out (this quickly) on a PG since I watched Troy Hudson take 312 straight jump shots out of the pick-and-roll before he hit the roller.

That doesn't mean bust, just like it didn't make Hudson a bust. But it does severely lower the ceiling.


[Note: I will, however, hope I'm wrong. And I will try to temper my Dillingham angst to avoid becoming a one-trick poster.]
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