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Mnwild1128 wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2026 9:47 pm
60WinTim wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2026 9:41 pm
Mnwild1128 wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2026 9:32 pm

Ant
Melo
Gobert
Jaden
Ayo
Green
Donte
Beringer
Clark
Shannon
Gueye (rumored to be wavied july 6th)
Evans (too cheap to not be signed)


Not sure you are getting 8 from. The trades MATTER.
Technically, it is only 8. The trades and extensions have not been executed, and probably won't be executed until other things are figured out. So the numbers I mentioned are actually with Randle and NAZ, because they are technically still on our roster.
Well i guarantee the wolves are operating under the premise they just made a trade.
Agreed!

Although, the timing of which transactions happen is pretty dang important. For example, they can do somethings under the 2nd apron that would be disallowed if the proceeded with the Ayo extension too soon. It can get rather complicated, but that is why TC is paid the big bucks!
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I was hoping we’d keep him but not surprised we let him go. I don’t think we can read much if anything into this move.

The Wolves have 11 roster spots filled (assuming they waive Mo and sign Evans to the rookie minimum). with a thin margin of about $11 million under the 2nd apron to fill the remaining three roster spots. If we sign a free agent to the full taxpayer MLE of $6,082,000 and fill the remaining two spots at the vet minimum of $2,454,000 it looks like we’ll be about $100 dollars under 2nd apron. So you can see we have a razor thin margin to fill those remaining three roster spots and importantly at least one of them will need to be a front-court rotation player.

With that understanding, it seems likely that the Wolves are sure they’re going to sign two vet minimum players they think will be better fits for the Wolves next season. Kyle Anderson and Mike Conley are a couple names that come to mind. I’d prefer Sochan and Isaac. I think the one ball still jump in the air is whether the Wolves use the taxpayer MLE or a Josh Green trade to acquire a rotation big.
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Lipoli390 wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2026 10:40 pm I was hoping we’d keep him but not surprised we let him go. I don’t think we can read much if anything into this move.

The Wolves have 11 roster spots filled (assuming they waive Mo and sign Evans to the rookie minimum). with a thin margin of about $11 million under the 2nd apron to fill the remaining three roster spots. If we sign a free agent to the full taxpayer MLE of $6,082,000 and fill the remaining two spots at the vet minimum of $2,454,000 it looks like we’ll be about $100 dollars under 2nd apron. So you can see we have a razor thin margin to fill those remaining three roster spots and importantly at least one of them will need to be a front-court rotation player.

With that understanding, it seems likely that the Wolves are sure they’re going to sign two vet minimum players they think will be better fits for the Wolves next season. Kyle Anderson and Mike Conley are a couple names that come to mind. I’d prefer Sochan and Isaac. I think the one ball still jump in the air is whether the Wolves use the taxpayer MLE or a Josh Green trade to acquire a rotation big.
They could sign both Rocco and then pick 59 from this draft, to two cheap ass deals. Leaving us with around 8 million to spend on one PF type player
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Lipoli390 wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2026 10:40 pm I was hoping we’d keep him but not surprised we let him go. I don’t think we can read much if anything into this move.

The Wolves have 11 roster spots filled (assuming they waive Mo and sign Evans to the rookie minimum). with a thin margin of about $11 million under the 2nd apron to fill the remaining three roster spots. If we sign a free agent to the full taxpayer MLE of $6,082,000 and fill the remaining two spots at the vet minimum of $2,454,000 it looks like we’ll be about $100 dollars under 2nd apron. So you can see we have a razor thin margin to fill those remaining three roster spots and importantly at least one of them will need to be a front-court rotation player.

With that understanding, it seems likely that the Wolves are sure they’re going to sign two vet minimum players they think will be better fits for the Wolves next season. Kyle Anderson and Mike Conley are a couple names that come to mind. I’d prefer Sochan and Isaac. I think the one ball still jump in the air is whether the Wolves use the taxpayer MLE or a Josh Green trade to acquire a rotation big.
I won't dismiss it entirely of course but the difference before the taxpayer MLE and a vet min depending on how much service time a player has is less than 3 million. For example let's say John Collins was considering signing with the Wolves. (I do not think he would sign here for this cheap but you never know and this is just an example) He has 9 years of NBA service time so that means his vet min is over 3.5 million. That's not a small chunk of money. Let's say the opportunity was better here to play minutes and to improve his ability to sign a larger deal next off-season. Is 2.t million worth it to a guy that's already made nearly 136 million? I may be wrong but I don't think that's used very often partly for this reason.

I think it's obvious that Connelly is gonna do something more than sign some vet min guys unless that vet min guy is basically a starter. I'll say this about the Wolves currently. They have a group of young players that could possibly be moved in a future deal whether that's this off-season or in season and we know Connelly is willing pull the trigger.
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Monster wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2026 10:56 pm
Lipoli390 wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2026 10:40 pm I was hoping we’d keep him but not surprised we let him go. I don’t think we can read much if anything into this move.

The Wolves have 11 roster spots filled (assuming they waive Mo and sign Evans to the rookie minimum). with a thin margin of about $11 million under the 2nd apron to fill the remaining three roster spots. If we sign a free agent to the full taxpayer MLE of $6,082,000 and fill the remaining two spots at the vet minimum of $2,454,000 it looks like we’ll be about $100 dollars under 2nd apron. So you can see we have a razor thin margin to fill those remaining three roster spots and importantly at least one of them will need to be a front-court rotation player.

With that understanding, it seems likely that the Wolves are sure they’re going to sign two vet minimum players they think will be better fits for the Wolves next season. Kyle Anderson and Mike Conley are a couple names that come to mind. I’d prefer Sochan and Isaac. I think the one ball still jump in the air is whether the Wolves use the taxpayer MLE or a Josh Green trade to acquire a rotation big.
I won't dismiss it entirely of course but the difference before the taxpayer MLE and a vet min depending on how much service time a player has is less than 3 million. For example let's say John Collins was considering signing with the Wolves. (I do not think he would sign here for this cheap but you never know and this is just an example) He has 9 years of NBA service time so that means his vet min is over 3.5 million. That's not a small chunk of money. Let's say the opportunity was better here to play minutes and to improve his ability to sign a larger deal next off-season. Is 2.t million worth it to a guy that's already made nearly 136 million? I may be wrong but I don't think that's used very often partly for this reason.

I think it's obvious that Connelly is gonna do something more than sign some vet min guys unless that vet min guy is basically a starter. I'll say this about the Wolves currently. They have a group of young players that could possibly be moved in a future deal whether that's this off-season or in season and we know Connelly is willing pull the trigger.
All good points, Monster. I see free agents generally falling into one of three categories:

1. Cap Room Players — Free agents whose market value exceeds the nontaxpayer MLE and therefore can’t be signed without room under the salary cap or via sign-and-trade

2 Non-Taxpayer MLE Players — Free agents whose market value is about equal to the nontaxpayer MLE

3. Taxpayer MLE/Vet Minimum Players - Free agents with a market value below the non-taxpayer MLE. This goes to your point. I’ve always seen the taxpayer MLE as a way to entice a vet minimum player you really like. The delta ranges from around $2.2 million for a 10+ year player to around $3.5 million for a 2 year vet. It’s not a lot in NBA world but it’s still real money.
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Lipoli390 wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2026 11:16 pm
Monster wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2026 10:56 pm
Lipoli390 wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2026 10:40 pm I was hoping we’d keep him but not surprised we let him go. I don’t think we can read much if anything into this move.

The Wolves have 11 roster spots filled (assuming they waive Mo and sign Evans to the rookie minimum). with a thin margin of about $11 million under the 2nd apron to fill the remaining three roster spots. If we sign a free agent to the full taxpayer MLE of $6,082,000 and fill the remaining two spots at the vet minimum of $2,454,000 it looks like we’ll be about $100 dollars under 2nd apron. So you can see we have a razor thin margin to fill those remaining three roster spots and importantly at least one of them will need to be a front-court rotation player.

With that understanding, it seems likely that the Wolves are sure they’re going to sign two vet minimum players they think will be better fits for the Wolves next season. Kyle Anderson and Mike Conley are a couple names that come to mind. I’d prefer Sochan and Isaac. I think the one ball still jump in the air is whether the Wolves use the taxpayer MLE or a Josh Green trade to acquire a rotation big.
I won't dismiss it entirely of course but the difference before the taxpayer MLE and a vet min depending on how much service time a player has is less than 3 million. For example let's say John Collins was considering signing with the Wolves. (I do not think he would sign here for this cheap but you never know and this is just an example) He has 9 years of NBA service time so that means his vet min is over 3.5 million. That's not a small chunk of money. Let's say the opportunity was better here to play minutes and to improve his ability to sign a larger deal next off-season. Is 2.t million worth it to a guy that's already made nearly 136 million? I may be wrong but I don't think that's used very often partly for this reason.

I think it's obvious that Connelly is gonna do something more than sign some vet min guys unless that vet min guy is basically a starter. I'll say this about the Wolves currently. They have a group of young players that could possibly be moved in a future deal whether that's this off-season or in season and we know Connelly is willing pull the trigger.
All good points, Monster. I see free agents generally falling into one of three categories:

1. Cap Room Players — Free agents whose market value exceeds the nontaxpayer MLE and therefore can’t be signed without room under the salary cap or via sign-and-trade

2 Non-Taxpayer MLE Players — Free agents whose market value is about equal to the nontaxpayer MLE

3. Taxpayer MLE/Vet Minimum Players - Free agents with a market value below the non-taxpayer MLE. This goes to your point. I’ve always seen the taxpayer MLE as a way to entice a vet minimum player you really like. The delta ranges from around $2.2 million for a 10+ year player to around $3.5 million for a 2 year vet. It’s not a lot in NBA world but it’s still real money.
Think of all the players that signed with the bucks that were worth more than the tax payer mid-level. Malik Beasley to his credit took less money a couple times to get an opportunity to play. Gary Trent Jr did as well. Tyus Jones. Even if we had the mid-level the reasonable FAs at PF that I would feel pretty good about as starters is pretty small like John Collins, Dean Wade, Tobias Harris and Rui. I'd love to sign Jonathon Isaac to a vet min deal but I would agree he doesn't guarantee that spot is filled although I would happily take the risk.

What I'm getting at is what we all suspect...Connelly is working on some sort of deal to get someone here. We are gonna just have to sit around and wait and see who it is! Lol
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Monster wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2026 11:28 pm
Lipoli390 wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2026 11:16 pm
Monster wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2026 10:56 pm

I won't dismiss it entirely of course but the difference before the taxpayer MLE and a vet min depending on how much service time a player has is less than 3 million. For example let's say John Collins was considering signing with the Wolves. (I do not think he would sign here for this cheap but you never know and this is just an example) He has 9 years of NBA service time so that means his vet min is over 3.5 million. That's not a small chunk of money. Let's say the opportunity was better here to play minutes and to improve his ability to sign a larger deal next off-season. Is 2.t million worth it to a guy that's already made nearly 136 million? I may be wrong but I don't think that's used very often partly for this reason.

I think it's obvious that Connelly is gonna do something more than sign some vet min guys unless that vet min guy is basically a starter. I'll say this about the Wolves currently. They have a group of young players that could possibly be moved in a future deal whether that's this off-season or in season and we know Connelly is willing pull the trigger.
All good points, Monster. I see free agents generally falling into one of three categories:

1. Cap Room Players — Free agents whose market value exceeds the nontaxpayer MLE and therefore can’t be signed without room under the salary cap or via sign-and-trade

2 Non-Taxpayer MLE Players — Free agents whose market value is about equal to the nontaxpayer MLE

3. Taxpayer MLE/Vet Minimum Players - Free agents with a market value below the non-taxpayer MLE. This goes to your point. I’ve always seen the taxpayer MLE as a way to entice a vet minimum player you really like. The delta ranges from around $2.2 million for a 10+ year player to around $3.5 million for a 2 year vet. It’s not a lot in NBA world but it’s still real money.
Think of all the players that signed with the bucks that were worth more than the tax payer mid-level. Malik Beasley to his credit took less money a couple times to get an opportunity to play. Gary Trent Jr did as well. Tyus Jones. Even if we had the mid-level the reasonable FAs at PF that I would feel pretty good about as starters is pretty small like John Collins, Dean Wade, Tobias Harris and Rui. I'd love to sign Jonathon Isaac to a vet min deal but I would agree he doesn't guarantee that spot is filled although I would happily take the risk.

What I'm getting at is what we all suspect...Connelly is working on some sort of deal to get someone here. We are gonna just have to sit around and wait and see who it is! Lol
lol. Yep. We all know Connelly is up to something but we have no idea what it is other than some sort of deal to acquire a front-court player. In the meantime, we have to keep moving forward with opinions and speculation on our message board. :)
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