Bones back!

[Q-is-here]

https://x.com/DaneMooreNBA/status/20720 ... 65316?s=20
This is what I've been seeing

Yep. That confirms my calculation last night. Our front office is really impressive in how they manage the salary cap. They calculate everything down to the penny. As they juggle multiple potential deals scenarios they have all those possible deals calibrated precisely to fit within their financial parameters.

I thought he knew about these things, but his spreadsheet completely ignores the LaMelo trade kicker and the unlikely bonuses for Jaden and Donte that ARE included when adding up salaries to compare to the apron thresholds. In other words, he's wrong.

But once Josh Green is moved for less $s, it will be a moot point.

I'm really surprised Dane would have something like this wrong. There has to be front office staff members that tune into his podcast and could off-the-record correct his understanding of the cap rules without confirming or denying any of the transactions that are pending.

[60WinTim]

Yossi Gozlan is cap guru. I thought he and Dane were on a podcast together, but it was before the LaMelo trade. Here is a Yossi podcast from 4 days ago where they discuss the LaMelo Ball trade and Wolves' options. He, of course, has the correct LaMelo salary in his spreadsheet! It's an interesting discussion. Towards the end, they conclude that the Wolves will eventually need to include Donte in a trade. I guess we'll find out.

The podcast has "chapters" so you can drag the cursor to the start of the LaMelo/Wolves discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA2TzkaF1BA

[guest81]

I think i would of rather had mike Conley than Bones if it was a choice. Especially if this is a 15 minute playoff role

[60WinTim]

And Dane folds. I was right about the salary cap, and Lip was wrong...

But he's actually wrong AGAIN. He says the Wolves can't offer the full TPE, but they can! They just have to take steps as they complete each transaction to make sure they wind up under the 2nd apron. A trade where they take back less salary is one option. The waive and stretch idea for Donte is another option. As things stand, they can complete all the transactions they have on the table, including a full TPE, by pushing Ayo's extension as the last step. That's because his cap hold is only 14.3 mil, so all those other transactions can be completed and still be below the 2nd apron. But assuming they use the TPE, they will have to the trade, or waive & stretch, before they can submit the Ayo extension.

Timing is everything...

[Q-is-here]

And Dane folds. I was right about the salary cap, and Lip was wrong...

But he's actually wrong AGAIN. He says the Wolves can't offer the full TPE, but they can! They just have to take steps as they complete each transaction to make sure they wind up under the 2nd apron. A trade where they take back less salary is one option. The waive and stretch idea for Donte is another option. As things stand, they can complete all the transactions they have on the table, including a full TPE, by pushing Ayo's extension as the last step. That's because his cap hold is only 14.3 mil, so all those other transactions can be completed and still be below the 2nd apron. But assuming they use the TPE, they will have to the trade, or waive & stretch, before they can submit the Ayo extension.

Timing is everything...

So he did get corrected by someone!. In (60Win) Tim we trust!

[rapsuperstar31]

Yossi Gozlan is cap guru. I thought he and Dane were on a podcast together, but it was before the LaMelo trade. Here is a Yossi podcast from 4 days ago where they discuss the LaMelo Ball trade and Wolves' options. He, of course, has the correct LaMelo salary in his spreadsheet! It's an interesting discussion. Towards the end, they conclude that the Wolves will eventually need to include Donte in a trade. I guess we'll find out.

The podcast has "chapters" so you can drag the cursor to the start of the LaMelo/Wolves discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA2TzkaF1BA

I take it Ball didn't decline the trade kicker? I've seen some player in trades decline it to facilitate trades, not that it would open up much more to work with.

[Lipoli390]

Yossi Gozlan is cap guru. I thought he and Dane were on a podcast together, but it was before the LaMelo trade. Here is a Yossi podcast from 4 days ago where they discuss the LaMelo Ball trade and Wolves' options. He, of course, has the correct LaMelo salary in his spreadsheet! It's an interesting discussion. Towards the end, they conclude that the Wolves will eventually need to include Donte in a trade. I guess we'll find out.

The podcast has "chapters" so you can drag the cursor to the start of the LaMelo/Wolves discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA2TzkaF1BA

I plugged in Gozlan’s numbers and added Clark at $3,100,000 and Bones at a $2,300,000 cap hit. That puts our cap payroll at $213,369,012. The 2nd apron threshold was expected to be $222,000,000 but it came in a bit lower today at $221,686,000. All of this means the Wolves have 12 players and are $8,316,988 under the 2nd apron. If the Wolves sign a 2+ year vet at the minimum of $2,454,000, they will be able to offer a 2026-27 salary under the taxpayer MLE of up to $5,862,988. If they sign a 1 year vet or a rookie, they’ll be able to offer the full taxpayer MLE of $6,062,000. I don’t think the difference between getting player we want and not getting him will come down to the $199,012 difference between the full taxpayer MLE and the $5,862,900 we can offer if we also sign a 2+ year vet.

Meanwhile, Tim Connelly is likely working the phones to piece together one last deal that moves Green and perhaps another player or two in a deal for a front-court player in which case the worry about what we can get with the taxpayer MLE becomes moot.

[Phenom]

Yossi Gozlan is cap guru. I thought he and Dane were on a podcast together, but it was before the LaMelo trade. Here is a Yossi podcast from 4 days ago where they discuss the LaMelo Ball trade and Wolves' options. He, of course, has the correct LaMelo salary in his spreadsheet! It's an interesting discussion. Towards the end, they conclude that the Wolves will eventually need to include Donte in a trade. I guess we'll find out.

The podcast has "chapters" so you can drag the cursor to the start of the LaMelo/Wolves discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA2TzkaF1BA

I plugged in Gozlan’s numbers and added Clark at $3,100,000 and Bones at a $2,300,000 cap hit. That puts our cap payroll at $213,369,012. The 2nd apron threshold was expected to be $222,000,000 but it came in a bit lower today at $221,686,000. All of this means the Wolves have 12 players and are $8,316,988 under the 2nd apron. If the Wolves sign a 2+ year vet at the minimum of $2,454,000, they will be able to offer a 2026-27 salary under the taxpayer MLE of up to $5,862,988. If they sign a 1 year vet or a rookie, they’ll be able to offer the full taxpayer MLE of $6,062,000. I don’t think the difference between getting player we want and not getting him will come down to the $199,012 difference between the full taxpayer MLE and the $5,862,900 we can offer if we also sign a 2+ year vet.

Meanwhile, Tim Connelly is likely working the phones to piece together one last deal that moves Green and perhaps another player or two in a deal for a front-court player in which case the worry about what we can get with the taxpayer MLE becomes moot.

Did the salary cap come in lower than projected? If so have Ant and LaMelo's salaries been adjusted for the lower amount?

[Lipoli390]

Yossi Gozlan is cap guru. I thought he and Dane were on a podcast together, but it was before the LaMelo trade. Here is a Yossi podcast from 4 days ago where they discuss the LaMelo Ball trade and Wolves' options. He, of course, has the correct LaMelo salary in his spreadsheet! It's an interesting discussion. Towards the end, they conclude that the Wolves will eventually need to include Donte in a trade. I guess we'll find out.

The podcast has "chapters" so you can drag the cursor to the start of the LaMelo/Wolves discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA2TzkaF1BA

I plugged in Gozlan’s numbers and added Clark at $3,100,000 and Bones at a $2,300,000 cap hit. That puts our cap payroll at $213,369,012. The 2nd apron threshold was expected to be $222,000,000 but it came in a bit lower today at $221,686,000. All of this means the Wolves have 12 players and are $8,316,988 under the 2nd apron. If the Wolves sign a 2+ year vet at the minimum of $2,454,000, they will be able to offer a 2026-27 salary under the taxpayer MLE of up to $5,862,988. If they sign a 1 year vet or a rookie, they’ll be able to offer the full taxpayer MLE of $6,062,000. I don’t think the difference between getting player we want and not getting him will come down to the $199,012 difference between the full taxpayer MLE and the $5,862,900 we can offer if we also sign a 2+ year vet.

Meanwhile, Tim Connelly is likely working the phones to piece together one last deal that moves Green and perhaps another player or two in a deal for a front-court player in which case the worry about what we can get with the taxpayer MLE becomes moot.

Did the salary cap come in lower than projected? If so have Ant and LaMelo's salaries been adjusted for the lower amount?

Yes, the cap came in slightly lower than expected. The projection I was seeing and using was $165,500,000. It was set at $164,961,000. I don’t think the impact on Ant and LaMelo’s salaries moves the needle.

[TheGrey08]

I thought he knew about these things, but his spreadsheet completely ignores the LaMelo trade kicker and the unlikely bonuses for Jaden and Donte that ARE included when adding up salaries to compare to the apron thresholds. In other words, he's wrong.

But once Josh Green is moved for less $s, it will be a moot point.

I'm really surprised Dane would have something like this wrong. There has to be front office staff members that tune into his podcast and could off-the-record correct his understanding of the cap rules without confirming or denying any of the transactions that are pending.

Was coming to update on this after seeing his correction. In addition to the ~500k trade kicker (hopefully he can & will waive that), it's actually worse due to "unlikely incentives" for Jaden (1.07m) and DDV (750k). That's some lame shit if this is how it works. lol

https://x.com/DaneMooreNBA/status/20721 ... 24126?s=20