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bleedspeed177 wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:

TheSP wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:The Vikings are now in control of winning the division. If they win out they own the division.

When it comes to IFs that's right up there with the IF Wiggins keeps playing like the first 10 games!

For what it is worth the Gophers also control their ability to win the Big Ten West, Big Ten Championship, and College Championship playoffs. (Last one is a maybe not if Buckeyes lose to Michigan)

Maybe still if they beat Ohio St 63 to zero, how could they leave them out? I guess if Ohio St loses all their QB's and a few defensive players somehow. They end up being a shell of their former self. Yeah neither is happening, but I suppose they are possible.

Wolves control their own destiny too if we want to think about that. Just win every game the rest of the year, NBA Champions baby!!! lol

Good catch about the Wolves.

I could see the Gophers being left out if the Buckeyes had 2 losses. They would end up ranked 5th.

Yeah I agree, unless the Gophers beat Ohio St by like 60 points. It would have to be domination. But that would never happen either. Ohio St will beat Michigan, even though Michigan is playing better, I just don't think they can hang.

Doctson released.

Adam Thielen is back.

bleedspeed177 wrote:Doctson released.

Adam Thielen is back.

What a winding road the WR spot as been this season. Beebe is also done for the year after having ankle surgery. Treadwell sticks for now after getting cut and eventually replaced by Doctson who then seemingly got injured as soon as he practiced. Meanwhile Bisi Johnson looks like a legit depth WR at worst. I think the WR spots behind the top 3 guys (which at this point has Bisi in it) should be plenty interesting come training camp etc with a bunch of young guys like the ones they have on the PS and likely another draft pick or 2 plus UFA. I wouldn't be surprised if Treadwell is back on some sort of cheap virtually non-guaranteed deal. Just a friendly reminder he turns 25 in June.

Treadwell was a bust to say the least and I didn't see that one coming. I liked him at Ole Miss, thought he could be at least solid as his hands there were good. Big body, physical. WR's seem so hard to predict. Look at Adam Thielen who couldn't get into a decent college program. I mean wtf right? Injuries derail some, others probably just don't work hard enough becoming great route runners, pas catchers, etc. It's probably 90% work ethic once you have the minimum required athleticism, size and hand eye coordination.

WolvesFan21 wrote:Treadwell was a bust to say the least and I didn't see that one coming. I liked him at Ole Miss, thought he could be at least solid as his hands there were good. Big body, physical. WR's seem so hard to predict. Look at Adam Thielen who couldn't get into a decent college program. I mean wtf right? Injuries derail some, others probably just don't work hard enough becoming great route runners, pas catchers, etc. It's probably 90% work ethic once you have the minimum required athleticism, size and hand eye coordination.

I also think there is simply some amount of the human element which is unpredictable. I think there are players in a variety of sports (and for that matter life) that work hard have the talent and for some reason they just don't improve or get better. It's like for some reason some get to a certain level and just can't seem to get better. Then unexpectedly others that were not regarded as highly go well beyond expectations. Honestly that's one of the most fun things about sports seeing that greatness and sometimes even if it's just an undrafted guy turn into a solid depth player. That's actually pretty big accomplishment considering the odds.

monsterpile wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:Treadwell was a bust to say the least and I didn't see that one coming. I liked him at Ole Miss, thought he could be at least solid as his hands there were good. Big body, physical. WR's seem so hard to predict. Look at Adam Thielen who couldn't get into a decent college program. I mean wtf right? Injuries derail some, others probably just don't work hard enough becoming great route runners, pas catchers, etc. It's probably 90% work ethic once you have the minimum required athleticism, size and hand eye coordination.

I also think there is simply some amount of the human element which is unpredictable. I think there are players in a variety of sports (and for that matter life) that work hard have the talent and for some reason they just don't improve or get better. It's like for some reason some get to a certain level and just can't seem to get better. Then unexpectedly others that were not regarded as highly go well beyond expectations. Honestly that's one of the most fun things about sports seeing that greatness and sometimes even if it's just an undrafted guy turn into a solid depth player. That's actually pretty big accomplishment considering the odds.

It could even be a mental thing, self sabotage maybe for some. Others might not like the limelight and attention. People say they want to be successful but do they really? I don't know the answers. I do know the best seem to be ultra competitive, maybe they feel rejected in a way so they have a burning desire to prove everyone wrong. Like Jerry Rice, Michael Jordan (slighted in high school), Tommy Brady, Moss (passed on by 16 teams). Others are lauded early on and given all the credit for really achieving not so much (Andy Wiggins) (list your bust here). Others are lauded but exceed expectations even, LeBron, John Elway?, Aaron Donald (I wanted the Vikes to draft him D:), etc .

This game feels like a loss coming up. It's winnable, but just seems like a game we end up losing. Seattle is a very good team, at home. Russell Wilson is legit. I hope I am wrong.

WolvesFan21 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:Treadwell was a bust to say the least and I didn't see that one coming. I liked him at Ole Miss, thought he could be at least solid as his hands there were good. Big body, physical. WR's seem so hard to predict. Look at Adam Thielen who couldn't get into a decent college program. I mean wtf right? Injuries derail some, others probably just don't work hard enough becoming great route runners, pas catchers, etc. It's probably 90% work ethic once you have the minimum required athleticism, size and hand eye coordination.

I also think there is simply some amount of the human element which is unpredictable. I think there are players in a variety of sports (and for that matter life) that work hard have the talent and for some reason they just don't improve or get better. It's like for some reason some get to a certain level and just can't seem to get better. Then unexpectedly others that were not regarded as highly go well beyond expectations. Honestly that's one of the most fun things about sports seeing that greatness and sometimes even if it's just an undrafted guy turn into a solid depth player. That's actually pretty big accomplishment considering the odds.

It could even be a mental thing, self sabotage maybe for some. Others might not like the limelight and attention. People say they want to be successful but do they really? I don't know the answers. I do know the best seem to be ultra competitive, maybe they feel rejected in a way so they have a burning desire to prove everyone wrong. Like Jerry Rice, Michael Jordan (slighted in high school), Tommy Brady, Moss (passed on by 16 teams). Others are lauded early on and given all the credit for really achieving not so much (Andy Wiggins) (list your bust here). Others are lauded but exceed expectations even, LeBron, John Elway?, Aaron Donald (I wanted the Vikes to draft him D:), etc .

This game feels like a loss coming up. It's winnable, but just seems like a game we end up losing. Seattle is a very good team, at home. Russell Wilson is legit. I hope I am wrong.

Good points. I know a thing or two about self sabotage.

Have you read about Larry Bird's childhood/origin story? It's pretty dark.

I think you can be too competitive and it can hinder you too. I know a couple people like that who just lose it. One guy I know was (maybe still is) a disc golf pro and would always lose it because it would get so mad when he would mess up and people said all the other players would say this guy was more talented than anyone there but he had never won a tournament. Obviously the competitive fire fuels a lot of the greats. I would think it has to be a fine line to be fueled by that and also do the things you work on day to day and play with a calm confidence as well. I think Cousins is an example of that back and forth and how he hasn't totally mastered the balance.

monsterpile wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:Treadwell was a bust to say the least and I didn't see that one coming. I liked him at Ole Miss, thought he could be at least solid as his hands there were good. Big body, physical. WR's seem so hard to predict. Look at Adam Thielen who couldn't get into a decent college program. I mean wtf right? Injuries derail some, others probably just don't work hard enough becoming great route runners, pas catchers, etc. It's probably 90% work ethic once you have the minimum required athleticism, size and hand eye coordination.

I also think there is simply some amount of the human element which is unpredictable. I think there are players in a variety of sports (and for that matter life) that work hard have the talent and for some reason they just don't improve or get better. It's like for some reason some get to a certain level and just can't seem to get better. Then unexpectedly others that were not regarded as highly go well beyond expectations. Honestly that's one of the most fun things about sports seeing that greatness and sometimes even if it's just an undrafted guy turn into a solid depth player. That's actually pretty big accomplishment considering the odds.

It could even be a mental thing, self sabotage maybe for some. Others might not like the limelight and attention. People say they want to be successful but do they really? I don't know the answers. I do know the best seem to be ultra competitive, maybe they feel rejected in a way so they have a burning desire to prove everyone wrong. Like Jerry Rice, Michael Jordan (slighted in high school), Tommy Brady, Moss (passed on by 16 teams). Others are lauded early on and given all the credit for really achieving not so much (Andy Wiggins) (list your bust here). Others are lauded but exceed expectations even, LeBron, John Elway?, Aaron Donald (I wanted the Vikes to draft him D:), etc .

This game feels like a loss coming up. It's winnable, but just seems like a game we end up losing. Seattle is a very good team, at home. Russell Wilson is legit. I hope I am wrong.

Good points. I know a thing or two about self sabotage.

Have you read about Larry Bird's childhood/origin story? It's pretty dark.

I think you can be too competitive and it can hinder you too. I know a couple people like that who just lose it. One guy I know was (maybe still is) a disc golf pro and would always lose it because it would get so mad when he would mess up and people said all the other players would say this guy was more talented than anyone there but he had never won a tournament. Obviously the competitive fire fuels a lot of the greats. I would think it has to be a fine line to be fueled by that and also do the things you work on day to day and play with a calm confidence as well. I think Cousins is an example of that back and forth and how he hasn't totally mastered the balance.

What disc golfer? Because I dabble in that myself, not pro or anything. A lot of it is mental. I golfed as well for most of my life, semi competitive. Leagues and small tourney stuff, use to anyways. Golf is 90% mental according to Nicklaus. I believe it. I read many books from the sports psychologists. Getting mad doesn't do you any good most of the time. If it's not controllable. If you can use the anger to help the focus, then it can be. I tended to like to get a little mad, use that energy to focus even better. Slow everything down.

Other sports are not as mental once the play begins. FT shooting is definitely 90% mental as well. Being a QB like Cousins is definitely up there too, you have to be a leader even if you don't want to be since you call the plays and touch the ball on every play (almost). Being cool, confident in the huddle, especially when the game is on the line. That goes a long ways to rubbing off on your teammates. You can even tell from afar sometimes. Before that kick that Walsh missed, I saw him on the sidelines and he didn't look good. He looked scared. Yep, he missed it (even if it was a bad hold). Laces no laces, it's 27 yards, it's automatic.

Well there is my rambling, nonsensical diatribe for the day.

WolvesFan21 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:Treadwell was a bust to say the least and I didn't see that one coming. I liked him at Ole Miss, thought he could be at least solid as his hands there were good. Big body, physical. WR's seem so hard to predict. Look at Adam Thielen who couldn't get into a decent college program. I mean wtf right? Injuries derail some, others probably just don't work hard enough becoming great route runners, pas catchers, etc. It's probably 90% work ethic once you have the minimum required athleticism, size and hand eye coordination.

I also think there is simply some amount of the human element which is unpredictable. I think there are players in a variety of sports (and for that matter life) that work hard have the talent and for some reason they just don't improve or get better. It's like for some reason some get to a certain level and just can't seem to get better. Then unexpectedly others that were not regarded as highly go well beyond expectations. Honestly that's one of the most fun things about sports seeing that greatness and sometimes even if it's just an undrafted guy turn into a solid depth player. That's actually pretty big accomplishment considering the odds.

It could even be a mental thing, self sabotage maybe for some. Others might not like the limelight and attention. People say they want to be successful but do they really? I don't know the answers. I do know the best seem to be ultra competitive, maybe they feel rejected in a way so they have a burning desire to prove everyone wrong. Like Jerry Rice, Michael Jordan (slighted in high school), Tommy Brady, Moss (passed on by 16 teams). Others are lauded early on and given all the credit for really achieving not so much (Andy Wiggins) (list your bust here). Others are lauded but exceed expectations even, LeBron, John Elway?, Aaron Donald (I wanted the Vikes to draft him D:), etc .

This game feels like a loss coming up. It's winnable, but just seems like a game we end up losing. Seattle is a very good team, at home. Russell Wilson is legit. I hope I am wrong.

Good points. I know a thing or two about self sabotage.

Have you read about Larry Bird's childhood/origin story? It's pretty dark.

I think you can be too competitive and it can hinder you too. I know a couple people like that who just lose it. One guy I know was (maybe still is) a disc golf pro and would always lose it because it would get so mad when he would mess up and people said all the other players would say this guy was more talented than anyone there but he had never won a tournament. Obviously the competitive fire fuels a lot of the greats. I would think it has to be a fine line to be fueled by that and also do the things you work on day to day and play with a calm confidence as well. I think Cousins is an example of that back and forth and how he hasn't totally mastered the balance.

What disc golfer? Because I dabble in that myself, not pro or anything. A lot of it is mental. I golfed as well for most of my life, semi competitive. Leagues and small tourney stuff, use to anyways. Golf is 90% mental according to Nicklaus. I believe it. I read many books from the sports psychologists. Getting mad doesn't do you any good most of the time. If it's not controllable. If you can use the anger to help the focus, then it can be. I tended to like to get a little mad, use that energy to focus even better. Slow everything down.

Other sports are not as mental once the play begins. FT shooting is definitely 90% mental as well. Being a QB like Cousins is definitely up there too, you have to be a leader even if you don't want to be since you call the plays and touch the ball on every play (almost). Being cool, confident in the huddle, especially when the game is on the line. That goes a long ways to rubbing off on your teammates. You can even tell from afar sometimes. Before that kick that Walsh missed, I saw him on the sidelines and he didn't look good. He looked scared. Yep, he missed it (even if it was a bad hold). Laces no laces, it's 27 yards, it's automatic.

Well there is my rambling, nonsensical diatribe for the day.

Just looked up the guy I know's disc golf stats. I'm not sure he was ranked as highly as I was led to believe. I Should have done some research but in my defense I don't think I actually knew his last name till somewhat recently which is kinda amusing for several reasons. Lol

The mental aspect of anything is bigger than I think we give it credit for but yeah some things or roles you play (sport or life) takes less thinking than others. You mentioned Russell Wilson. He doesn't really blow you away most of the time but he goes out there does all kinds of stuff and at the end of the day he wins a lot of football games. It seems like he has taken a bit of a leap the last couple years though as a guy that can go out and win games. Often his athletic ability gets downplayed because he doesn't run around all crazy it's just so smooth and controlled.

Yeah Russell is great with his pocket awareness. He's a level below Lamar Jackson obviously on agility and speed, but he has such great footwork and is still agile enough to make guys miss and extend plays. Rodgers is a lot of the same. Just making rushers miss and making them pay.

Cousins is very average in this area, maybe below avg. He benefits by having time and then he is very accurate. Of course every QB benefits from having time, it's just that Cousins flaws show with his sub avg mobility and pocket awareness/agility.

For this offense to work top notch, like it has several weeks (Vikes are 3rd in PPD) it's all down to the OLine and running the ball effectively. No run, no win. Cousins can drop back 40+ times and make enough plays, the pass rush will get there too fast, too often.