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Camden wrote:
Shams Charania:

Sources: The Spurs are trading Dejounte Murray to Atlanta for Danilo Gallinari, three first-round draft picks and a draft swap.


Good deal for San Antonio, in my opinion. Three first-round picks is a haul and they took back an expiring deal so no harm is done to their future payroll. I truly think this was selling high for the Spurs while Dejounte Murray had two years left on his current deal.

And it makes sense for Atlanta. Both can be true. They needed another guard that could take pressure off of Trae Young. They also really need Murray's perimeter defense. They certainly paid more than I would have for him, but I can understand why they made the move they did.


This deal tells us something about what Connelly is and isn't willing to do. Specifically, this tells me he's not willing to give up three future 1st-round picks - at least not without heavy protections. Otherwise, the Wolves clearly could have gotten Murray by offering DLO, Naz and three future 1st-round picks. DLO is a better player than Gallo and he has the same value as an expiring contract. Naz would be a small net plus for the Spurs who would fit their rebuild mode. It's clear that Connelly wasn't willing to meet the Spurs' bottom line requirement for three future 1st-round picks.

The decision to pass on the opportunity to get Murray for 3 future 1st-round picks aligns with Connelly's handling of the draft. The common thread is that Connelly truly believes in the principle that there are no short cuts to success. He is clearly taking a longer view and unwilling to significantly compromise valuable future assets for sake of a big splash in the short term. Of course, he could totally rebuke my observation by trading picks and young prospects for Capela or Gobert, but I don't see that happening.

We might see Connelly include one future 1st in a deal of some kind, but nothing more than that. I don't see him trading McDaniels, Nowell, Kessler or Moore either. I'll just come back to the fact that the Wolves have clearly maneuvered themselves into a position where they have one open roster spot and just enough room under the luxury tax threshold to sign one free agent using their full MLE. That doesn't mean the Wolves won't trade DLO, Beasley and/or Naz or even a first round pick to acquire a Capela or Myles Turner. But it does mean they're not assuming or expecting to make any trades. They are set up nicely to upgrade the roster at a position of need solely through free agency and they have the luxury tax room to make that happen.
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Happy the wolves didn't do that deal. Not being able to trade a 1st until 2029 is way to much for me
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lipoli390 wrote:
Camden wrote:
Shams Charania:

Sources: The Spurs are trading Dejounte Murray to Atlanta for Danilo Gallinari, three first-round draft picks and a draft swap.


Good deal for San Antonio, in my opinion. Three first-round picks is a haul and they took back an expiring deal so no harm is done to their future payroll. I truly think this was selling high for the Spurs while Dejounte Murray had two years left on his current deal.

And it makes sense for Atlanta. Both can be true. They needed another guard that could take pressure off of Trae Young. They also really need Murray's perimeter defense. They certainly paid more than I would have for him, but I can understand why they made the move they did.


This deal tells us something about what Connelly is and isn't willing to do. Specifically, this tells me he's not willing to give up three future 1st-round picks - at least not without heavy protections. Otherwise, the Wolves clearly could have gotten Murray by offering DLO, Naz and three future 1st-round picks. DLO is a better player than Gallo and he has the same value as an expiring contract. Naz would be a small net plus for the Spurs who would fit their rebuild mode. It's clear that Connelly wasn't willing to meet the Spurs' bottom line requirement for three future 1st-round picks.

The decision to pass on the opportunity to get Murray for 3 future 1st-round picks aligns with Connelly's handling of the draft. The common thread is that Connelly truly believe in the principle that there are no short cuts to success. He is clearly taking a longer view and unwilling to significantly compromise valuable future assets for sake of a big splash in the short term. Of course, he could totally rebuke my observation by trading picks and young prospects for Capela or Gobert, but I don't see that happening.

We might see Connelly include one future 1st in a deal of some kind, but nothing more than that. I don't see him trading McDaniels, Nowell, Kessler or Moore either. I'll just come back to the fact that the Wolves have clearly maneuvered themselves into a position where they have one open roster spot and just enough room under the luxury tax threshold to sign one free agent using their full MLE. That doesn't mean the Wolves won't trade DLO, Beasley and/or Naz or even a first round pick to acquire a Capela or Myles Turner. But it does mean they're not assuming or expecting to make any trades. They are set up nicely to upgrade the roster at a position of need solely through free agency and they have the luxury tax room to make that happen.


It sounds like there might be some pick swaps too and it sounded like the picks are all unprotected.
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I hadn't heard the details on the picks, Monster, but I'm not surprised. The Spurs expected to get a huge haul and they did. I'm glad they didn't get that haul from the Wolves.
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lipoli390 wrote:
BloopOracle wrote:He was just traded to the Hawks, for gallinari and multiple first round picks per Woj


The Dejounte Murray dream is now over. It's on to Clint Capela.


You don't need to trade FRPs for non-elite bigs, just use a bit of capspace. Bamba is expected to be available for nothing as Orlando declines tender. Hartenstein, Jalen Smith and Drummond are there too. Let's get one of them, Timmy!
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lipoli390 wrote:I hadn't heard the details on the picks, Monster, but I'm not surprised. The Spurs expected to get a huge haul and they did. I'm glad they didn't get that haul from the Wolves.


Murray would of improved the wolves but he can walk in 2 years, wouldn't of moved the wolves into title contention and wolves couldn't trade a pick until 2029. Happy they didn't pull the trigger on a boardine all star. That package is for all nba guys in my opinion
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KG4Ever wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
BloopOracle wrote:He was just traded to the Hawks, for gallinari and multiple first round picks per Woj


The Dejounte Murray dream is now over. It's on to Clint Capela.


You don't need to trade FRPs for bigs, just use a bit of capspace. Bamba is expected to be available for nothing as Orlando declines tender. Hartenstein, Jalen Smith and Drummond are there too. Let's get one of them, Timmy!


I agree, KG. I was just kidding. As you know, I'm totally into using the MLE to sign a free agent big. Jalen Smith is at the top of my list, followed by Hartenstein and Drummond in that order. But I'm also interested in Mo Bamba.
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KG4Ever wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
BloopOracle wrote:He was just traded to the Hawks, for gallinari and multiple first round picks per Woj


The Dejounte Murray dream is now over. It's on to Clint Capela.


You don't need to trade FRPs for non-elite bigs, just use a bit of capspace. Bamba is expected to be available for nothing as Orlando declines tender. Hartenstein, Jalen Smith and Drummond are there too. Let's get one of them, Timmy!


Agree heavily with your first statement!
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Murray is gone! Monte Morris is gone! Tyus Jones, Delon Wright or riding it out with DLO? Point Ant? Am I missing any options? Still wish we had drafted TyTy or Chandler when they were both sliding unless Timmy thinks he can turn Wendell Moore into a quality starting point guard.
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KG4Ever wrote:Murray is gone! Monte Morris is gone! Tyus Jones, Delon Wright or riding it out with DLO? Point Ant? Am I missing any options?


I think a Dlo/Beasley/Vando/1 1st for gobert and Connelly is a real possibility
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