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lipoli390 wrote:Wolves players of the game tonight. Gibson, Gorgui and Belly. Our three PFs. This was the Gorgui we saw last season. Taking two charges and playing very sold defense, while also hitting big shots and getting to loose balls. He's such a smart, solid player. I love his game face. Gibson was terrific tonight. His first-half scoring was huge for us, and then he continued to come up with big rebounds and make nice defensive plays in the second half. I'm loving he way Belly's playing.

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I'll take what we got from Wiggins and Butler tonight even if they weren't perfect. Sure they missed some shots and had some poor plays but on the whole they got it done. Wiggins is doing the other stuff.

Tyus led the Wolves in plus minus. That score against AD was nice.

Crawford has been the best signing of the offseason. He has been terrific.

After a poor defensive effort early the Wolves held an opponent under 100 points poor shooting percentages (they must have shot in the 30's the 2nd half) and won the rebounding battle. And yes some of that was because Towns wasn't on the floor although he made some plays including hustle plays.

Towns tries to do too much and gets amped up. That works against some guys but against Cousins and AD he should just play his game. One puzzling thing is his post up game just doesn't look as good this year. The first 2 years there were only maybe 3 guys that could stop him one on one. I know teams bring help but that's nothing new.

Teague wasn't amazing but espcially in the first half he was really disruptive defensively.

Tony Allen showed how he is actually an somewhat of an offensive threat. He can drive into (or cut) and finish in the painted area. Any corner 3'a he hits are gravy. They must be trying to save him for the playoffs playing him limited minutes.

Overall it was an ugly win and it felt like we should have won it more easily but it's a game we likely lose last year.

I'm late... and lazy. Not gonna read everything.

But I'm just here to say that I agree with EVERYBODY who went on and on and on about how insufferable DeMarcus Cousins is in every way.

What a talent. What a dick.

And on Cousins: It's not an exaggeration to say he acts like that every single game. It's not once a week, every third game, or even every other game. He's been like that every single time I've seen him play. He makes Rasheed Wallace look like Ray Allen.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:And on Cousins: It's not an exaggeration to say he acts like that every single game. It's not once a week, every third game, or even every other game. He's been like that every single time I've seen him play. He makes Rasheed Wallace look like Ray Allen.

Was it the beginning of last year when he threw the fit and sat in the crowd?

I let a lot of stuff go when watching a game. I know I wouldn't like a lot of these guys if I met them in real life. But Cousin has been really annoying those two times I can remember. It's like he has less-than-zero self awareness or honesty or credibility or something? The flopping. The whining about such obvious easy calls. The theatrics along the way... yuck.

He has such a gravitational pull in the arena -- both good and bad -- I imagine it must weigh on teammates... and by many reports, it does. I don't see why Anthony Davis would want to stick around in that environment.

Even last night, as dominant as Cousins was, he was instrumental in a lot of bad things too... see his 8 TOs and -8 on the night.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:And on Cousins: It's not an exaggeration to say he acts like that every single game. It's not once a week, every third game, or even every other game. He's been like that every single time I've seen him play. He makes Rasheed Wallace look like Ray Allen.

Was it the beginning of last year when he threw the fit and sat in the crowd?

I let a lot of stuff go when watching a game. I know I wouldn't like a lot of these guys if I met them in real life. But Cousin has been really annoying those two times I can remember. It's like he has less-than-zero self awareness or honesty or credibility or something? The flopping. The whining about such obvious easy calls. The theatrics along the way... yuck.

He has such a gravitational pull in the arena -- both good and bad -- I imagine it must weigh on teammates... and by many reports, it does. I don't see why Anthony Davis would want to stick around in that environment.

Even last night, as dominant as Cousins was, he was instrumental in a lot of bad things too... see his 8 TOs and -8 on the night.

What's amusing is when he he doesn't complain about a call. You think "well I guess he really thought he fouled that guy." Lol. Maybe he was more composed at those times but he didn't seem to complain one bit when he got called for a charge. He got one the other way later.

IMHO Cousins needs a legit alpha vet with him and he hasn't had one that's i can think of. I don't think it would fix him that much but it would help to have a real leader of the team and that guy would help the rest of the team deal with Cousin's ridiculousness.

monsterpile wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:And on Cousins: It's not an exaggeration to say he acts like that every single game. It's not once a week, every third game, or even every other game. He's been like that every single time I've seen him play. He makes Rasheed Wallace look like Ray Allen.

Was it the beginning of last year when he threw the fit and sat in the crowd?

I let a lot of stuff go when watching a game. I know I wouldn't like a lot of these guys if I met them in real life. But Cousin has been really annoying those two times I can remember. It's like he has less-than-zero self awareness or honesty or credibility or something? The flopping. The whining about such obvious easy calls. The theatrics along the way... yuck.

He has such a gravitational pull in the arena -- both good and bad -- I imagine it must weigh on teammates... and by many reports, it does. I don't see why Anthony Davis would want to stick around in that environment.

Even last night, as dominant as Cousins was, he was instrumental in a lot of bad things too... see his 8 TOs and -8 on the night.

What's amusing is when he he doesn't complain about a call. You think "well I guess he really thought he fouled that guy." Lol. Maybe he was more composed at those times but he didn't seem to complain one bit when he got called for a charge. He got one the other way later.

IMHO Cousins needs a legit alpha vet with him and he hasn't had one that's i can think of. I don't think it would fix him that much but it would help to have a real leader of the team and that guy would help the rest of the team deal with Cousin's ridiculousness.

Got a feeling that Davis ends up with the Celtics.

Something like Taytum, smart, Morris, the LAL/Sac pick and filler for Davis.

monsterpile wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:And on Cousins: It's not an exaggeration to say he acts like that every single game. It's not once a week, every third game, or even every other game. He's been like that every single time I've seen him play. He makes Rasheed Wallace look like Ray Allen.

Was it the beginning of last year when he threw the fit and sat in the crowd?

I let a lot of stuff go when watching a game. I know I wouldn't like a lot of these guys if I met them in real life. But Cousin has been really annoying those two times I can remember. It's like he has less-than-zero self awareness or honesty or credibility or something? The flopping. The whining about such obvious easy calls. The theatrics along the way... yuck.

He has such a gravitational pull in the arena -- both good and bad -- I imagine it must weigh on teammates... and by many reports, it does. I don't see why Anthony Davis would want to stick around in that environment.

Even last night, as dominant as Cousins was, he was instrumental in a lot of bad things too... see his 8 TOs and -8 on the night.

What's amusing is when he he doesn't complain about a call. You think "well I guess he really thought he fouled that guy." Lol. Maybe he was more composed at those times but he didn't seem to complain one bit when he got called for a charge. He got one the other way later.

IMHO Cousins needs a legit alpha vet with him and he hasn't had one that's i can think of. I don't think it would fix him that much but it would help to have a real leader of the team and that guy would help the rest of the team deal with Cousin's ridiculousness.

Has there every been a time he didn't complain about a call?? :) Seriously, there isn't an alpha vet on the plant today or in the history of mankind that would have ANY impact whatsoever on Cousins. He's the biggest waste of talent I've ever seen in professional sports.

I agree with those who speculate that AD will ultimately leave New Orleans and Cousins will be a major contributor, if not the main contributor, to AD's departure. The Pelicans are another example of the different between good NBA organizations and bad ones. They had the good fortune to get the top overall pick the year AD was in the draft. They made the right and obvious consensus decision to draft him, but since then they've failed to take advantage of that good fortune by making smart not so obvious personnel decisions. Again, this Spurs are the model for how it's done. Years ago, they took advantage of having the top pick by taking Tim Duncan. But they ultimately built a perennial championship contender through a series of shrewd moves after that -- Drafting Manu near the bottom of the 2nd round, drafting Parker near the bottom of the 1st round, signing Danny Green, etc.

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:And on Cousins: It's not an exaggeration to say he acts like that every single game. It's not once a week, every third game, or even every other game. He's been like that every single time I've seen him play. He makes Rasheed Wallace look like Ray Allen.

Was it the beginning of last year when he threw the fit and sat in the crowd?

I let a lot of stuff go when watching a game. I know I wouldn't like a lot of these guys if I met them in real life. But Cousin has been really annoying those two times I can remember. It's like he has less-than-zero self awareness or honesty or credibility or something? The flopping. The whining about such obvious easy calls. The theatrics along the way... yuck.

He has such a gravitational pull in the arena -- both good and bad -- I imagine it must weigh on teammates... and by many reports, it does. I don't see why Anthony Davis would want to stick around in that environment.

Even last night, as dominant as Cousins was, he was instrumental in a lot of bad things too... see his 8 TOs and -8 on the night.

What's amusing is when he he doesn't complain about a call. You think "well I guess he really thought he fouled that guy." Lol. Maybe he was more composed at those times but he didn't seem to complain one bit when he got called for a charge. He got one the other way later.

IMHO Cousins needs a legit alpha vet with him and he hasn't had one that's i can think of. I don't think it would fix him that much but it would help to have a real leader of the team and that guy would help the rest of the team deal with Cousin's ridiculousness.

Has there every been a time he didn't complain about a call?? :) Seriously, there isn't an alpha vet on the plant today or in the history of mankind that would have ANY impact whatsoever on Cousins. He's the biggest waste of talent I've ever seen in professional sports.

I agree with those who speculate that AD will ultimately leave New Orleans and Cousins will be a major contributor, if not the main contributor, to AD's departure. The Pelicans are another example of the different between good NBA organizations and bad ones. They had the good fortune to get the top overall pick the year AD was in the draft. They made the right and obvious consensus decision to draft him, but since then they've failed to take advantage of that good fortune by making smart not so obvious personnel decisions. Again, this Spurs are the model for how it's done. Years ago, they took advantage of having the top pick by taking Tim Duncan. But they ultimately built a perennial championship contender through a series of shrewd moves after that -- Drafting Manu near the bottom of the 2nd round, drafting Parker near the bottom of the 1st round, signing Danny Green, etc.

Yep they did terrible with Davis, Look at there draft picks since drafting Davis. They selected Austin Rivers that same year and ended up trading him a couple years later. Drafter Noel and traded him for Holiday. Drafted Buddy Hield and traded him away. No first round pick in 2015 or 2017. Also no 2nd round pick has hit.

They have also given big contracts to Asik, Soloman Hill and Etwan Moore.

They were forced to give middle of the road PG in Holiday big money because if they didn't resign him they would of had no money to get anyone else.

Hired a Run and Gun coach and there best two players talent wise are bigs

If I was them I would be looking to blow it up near the trade deadline. Trade Davis to the Celtics for Smart, Taytum, Morris and the LAL/Sac pick. Also trade Cousins to the Wizards for Mahimmi and Obrue.

Try and rebuild the team with youth.

kekgeek1 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:And on Cousins: It's not an exaggeration to say he acts like that every single game. It's not once a week, every third game, or even every other game. He's been like that every single time I've seen him play. He makes Rasheed Wallace look like Ray Allen.

Was it the beginning of last year when he threw the fit and sat in the crowd?

I let a lot of stuff go when watching a game. I know I wouldn't like a lot of these guys if I met them in real life. But Cousin has been really annoying those two times I can remember. It's like he has less-than-zero self awareness or honesty or credibility or something? The flopping. The whining about such obvious easy calls. The theatrics along the way... yuck.

He has such a gravitational pull in the arena -- both good and bad -- I imagine it must weigh on teammates... and by many reports, it does. I don't see why Anthony Davis would want to stick around in that environment.

Even last night, as dominant as Cousins was, he was instrumental in a lot of bad things too... see his 8 TOs and -8 on the night.

What's amusing is when he he doesn't complain about a call. You think "well I guess he really thought he fouled that guy." Lol. Maybe he was more composed at those times but he didn't seem to complain one bit when he got called for a charge. He got one the other way later.

IMHO Cousins needs a legit alpha vet with him and he hasn't had one that's i can think of. I don't think it would fix him that much but it would help to have a real leader of the team and that guy would help the rest of the team deal with Cousin's ridiculousness.

Has there every been a time he didn't complain about a call?? :) Seriously, there isn't an alpha vet on the plant today or in the history of mankind that would have ANY impact whatsoever on Cousins. He's the biggest waste of talent I've ever seen in professional sports.

I agree with those who speculate that AD will ultimately leave New Orleans and Cousins will be a major contributor, if not the main contributor, to AD's departure. The Pelicans are another example of the different between good NBA organizations and bad ones. They had the good fortune to get the top overall pick the year AD was in the draft. They made the right and obvious consensus decision to draft him, but since then they've failed to take advantage of that good fortune by making smart not so obvious personnel decisions. Again, this Spurs are the model for how it's done. Years ago, they took advantage of having the top pick by taking Tim Duncan. But they ultimately built a perennial championship contender through a series of shrewd moves after that -- Drafting Manu near the bottom of the 2nd round, drafting Parker near the bottom of the 1st round, signing Danny Green, etc.

Yep they did terrible with Davis, Look at there draft picks since drafting Davis. They selected Austin Rivers that same year and ended up trading him a couple years later. Drafter Noel and traded him for Holiday. Drafted Buddy Hield and traded him away. No first round pick in 2015 or 2017. Also no 2nd round pick has hit.

They have also given big contracts to Asik, Soloman Hill and Etwan Moore.

They were forced to give middle of the road PG in Holiday big money because if they didn't resign him they would of had no money to get anyone else.

Hired a Run and Gun coach and there best two players talent wise are bigs

If I was them I would be looking to blow it up near the trade deadline. Trade Davis to the Celtics for Smart, Taytum, Morris and the LAL/Sac pick. Also trade Cousins to the Wizards for Mahimmi and Obrue.

Try and rebuild the team with youth.

Geek -- It will be interesting to see what the Pelicans do after this season. It's certainly possible they could end up in the playoffs. They have the talent. But if they don't, then I have to believe their front office will seriously consider blowing it up. But I'm not sure the Celtics would include Tatum along with those other assets in a deal for AD. Is AD the better talent of the two? Yes, and I think the Celtics would consider AD the better talent. But the Celtics front office loves Tatum. They had their sights set on him leading up to the draft and he was their target when they did the deal with the Sixers. And so far, Tatum has been really impressive. Moreover, as talented as AD is, he has a hard time staying healthy.