BloopOracle wrote:I just hope we pull the trigger quickly if he does ask out midway next season or later, he has an insane amount of trade value and we need to capitalize on that.
We can't trust Rosas to make any more major moves. Bring a proven winner in like Jeff Van Gundy and let him hire the coach. We can't take any more chances on guys who don't have a track record.
Great point, Cool. I agree completely.
What has JVG proved as an executive?
He was just used as an example. Pick your own guy.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Most of us like Van Gundy. He seems pretty smart. And he's a fun character.
But a lot has changed in the NBA since he last coached in 2007... and he has no GM experience.
Pass.
I'll give you the no GM experience, but it's not like he left the game and started a beet farm. He could certainly coach in this era. Who would you go after?
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Most of us like Van Gundy. He seems pretty smart. And he's a fun character.
But a lot has changed in the NBA since he last coached in 2007... and he has no GM experience.
Pass.
I'll give you the no GM experience, but it's not like he left the game and started a beet farm. He could certainly coach in this era. Who would you go after?
Haven't thought about it. I don't know.
But we heard complaints about Thibs struggling with the league after being out only a year... as his defensive principles used in Boston and Chicago were no longer nearly as effective against the new-age offenses.
Heck, Van Gundy only had a couple of years coaching in the post-handcheck era. As much as I truly enjoy listening to Van Gundy, I feel like it would be more of a gimmick hire than anything else.
I don't think Van Gundy's the guy and I think Cool's point was to replace Rosas with someone who really understands the game of basketball. As I interpreted Cool's post, Van Gundy was just an off-the-cuff example. Certainly Van Gundy understands the importance of size and the need for players who can rebound and defend the paint - things Rosas seems oblivious to.
I don't have an answer at the moment on who should replace him. One guy who comes to mind is Tom Penn. He has NBA front office experience as VP of Basketball Operations for Portland and strikes me as a smart guy who understands the League. I'd look for people with good basketball judgment. I'd do a lot of digging to identify the #2 or #3 guys in other organizations who were primarily responsible for a lot of the good draft and other personnel decisions of their respective organizations. Or maybe hire Mike Schmitz of ESPN. He's and excellent basketball mind who appears to have good judgment when it comes to evaluating draft prospects. Hiring the right person requires good judgment by the person doing the hiring. Unfortunately, we know that Glen Taylor has notoriously poor judgment when it comes to hiring basketball executives. He's just really bad at it. And that's the problem.
lipoli390 wrote:I don't think Van Gundy's the guy and I think Cool's point was to replace Rosas with someone who really understands the game of basketball. As I interpreted Cool's post, Van Gundy was just an off-the-cuff example. Certainly Van Gundy understands the importance of size and the need for players who can rebound and defend the paint - things Rosas seems oblivious to.
I don't have an answer at the moment on who should replace him. One guy who comes to mind is Tom Penn. He has NBA front office experience as VP of Basketball Operations for Portland and strikes me as a smart guy who understands the League. I'd look for people with good basketball judgment. I'd do a lot of digging to identify the #2 or #3 guys in other organizations who were primarily responsible for a lot of the good draft and other personnel decisions of their respective organizations. Or maybe hire Mike Schmitz of ESPN. He's and excellent basketball mind who appears to have good judgment when it comes to evaluating draft prospects. Hiring the right person requires good judgment by the person doing the hiring. Unfortunately, we know that Glen Taylor has notoriously poor judgment when it comes to hiring basketball executives. He's just really bad at it. And that's the problem.
Gotcha.
It's very likely the Wolves aren't going to hit a home run on the hire. So I'd be cool with a retread with SOME/ANY level of success as THE guy, not an underling to a top guy. This team has been so bad... so very bad... for so long... that being average for awhile would be just fine for me.
Heck, it's looking very likely Rosas wasn't even the top guy working for Morey all those years (see McNair).
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Most of us like Van Gundy. He seems pretty smart. And he's a fun character.
But a lot has changed in the NBA since he last coached in 2007... and he has no GM experience.
Pass.
I'll give you the no GM experience, but it's not like he left the game and started a beet farm. He could certainly coach in this era. Who would you go after?
I'd be good with van gundy, but why not give jim Peterson a shot? I know that might be a strange suggestion but He's seen first hand everything that hasn't worked, he's obviously a pretty sharp basketball guy and he's very invested in this organization. Yeah, I guess thats what I would do tomorrow morning actually... here are the keys jim Pete.
thedoper wrote:Were at least a year away from Glen firing anyone. No way in hell Ryan gets fired this quickly. It has to be the end of the year at least.
I could actually see Ryan getting fired during this season as the scapegoat, especially with a more qualified assistant behind him who could take over. I agree that rosas ain't going any time soon though, unfortunately.
lipoli390 wrote:I don't think Van Gundy's the guy and I think Cool's point was to replace Rosas with someone who really understands the game of basketball. As I interpreted Cool's post, Van Gundy was just an off-the-cuff example. Certainly Van Gundy understands the importance of size and the need for players who can rebound and defend the paint - things Rosas seems oblivious to.
I don't have an answer at the moment on who should replace him. One guy who comes to mind is Tom Penn. He has NBA front office experience as VP of Basketball Operations for Portland and strikes me as a smart guy who understands the League. I'd look for people with good basketball judgment. I'd do a lot of digging to identify the #2 or #3 guys in other organizations who were primarily responsible for a lot of the good draft and other personnel decisions of their respective organizations. Or maybe hire Mike Schmitz of ESPN. He's and excellent basketball mind who appears to have good judgment when it comes to evaluating draft prospects. Hiring the right person requires good judgment by the person doing the hiring. Unfortunately, we know that Glen Taylor has notoriously poor judgment when it comes to hiring basketball executives. He's just really bad at it. And that's the problem.
Gotcha.
It's very likely the Wolves aren't going to hit a home run on the hire. So I'd be cool with a retread with SOME/ANY level of success as THE guy, not an underling to a top guy. This team has been so bad... so very bad... for so long... that being average for awhile would be just fine for me.
Heck, it's looking very likely Rosas wasn't even the top guy working for Morey all those years (see McNair).
I agree that the best move might be a retread top guy who was at least pretty good rather than an underling. The problem with the Rosas hire is that, as you suggested, he wasn't even Morey's top guy. As I noted when we first hired Rosas, my sense of him was that he functioned in Houston as a sort of middle manager. He's a guy who gets you organized and keeps things on schedule.
When you hire an underling for a top position, the key is digging deeper to see exactly what that underling's contributions were to his or her organization. For example, who in the Miami organization identified and lobbied internally to draft Bam Adebayo and Tyler Herro? Who in that organization identified and lobbied internally to sign Duncan Robinson and Kendrick Nunn? Who in the Jazz organization identified and lobbied internally for trading up to draft Donovan Mitchell and draft Rudy Gobert at #27? Who in that organization lobbied internally to sign Joe Ingles? Who in the Denver organization identified and lobbied internally to draft Jokic, Harris, Murray and Porter Jr as well as sign Will Barton? Maybe it was someone different in each decision in these organizations, but maybe there were one or two guys in each organization who were the main drivers behind these really smart basketball decisions.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Most of us like Van Gundy. He seems pretty smart. And he's a fun character.
But a lot has changed in the NBA since he last coached in 2007... and he has no GM experience.
Pass.
I'll give you the no GM experience, but it's not like he left the game and started a beet farm. He could certainly coach in this era. Who would you go after?
I'd be good with van gundy, but why not give jim Peterson a shot? I know that might be a strange suggestion but He's seen first hand everything that hasn't worked, he's obviously a pretty sharp basketball guy and he's very invested in this organization. Yeah, I guess thats what I would do tomorrow morning actually... here are the keys jim Pete.
