thedoper wrote:Tell me we're not tanking when we play Okogie and Rubio at the same time.
We're inept, but we aren't tanking.
Exactly right, Cool. Ryan Saunders was playing Okogie and Rubio together long before the Wolves were entrenched in last place. You could argue that playing Rubio at any time is evidence of taking, which means the Wolves were taking since day one. Of course they're not taking. But this team is clearly inept from Rosas to Saunders.
After all these games of Rubio and Okogie not working together, with no pressure to change or improve the logical conclusion has to be that theyre ok with losing. Otherwise there would be change in the roster, lineup, or coaching.
Ricky is our starting point guard when DLO is out. Do you expect him never to play at the same time as Okogie when someone has to guard Leonard? I'm not a Ryan fan either, but let's be rational.
thedoper wrote:Tell me we're not tanking when we play Okogie and Rubio at the same time.
We're inept, but we aren't tanking.
Exactly right, Cool. Ryan Saunders was playing Okogie and Rubio together long before the Wolves were entrenched in last place. You could argue that playing Rubio at any time is evidence of taking, which means the Wolves were taking since day one. Of course they're not taking. But this team is clearly inept from Rosas to Saunders.
After all these games of Rubio and Okogie not working together, with no pressure to change or improve the logical conclusion has to be that theyre ok with losing. Otherwise there would be change in the roster, lineup, or coaching.
Ricky is our starting point guard when DLO is out. Do you expect him never to play at the same time as Okogie when someone has to guard Leonard? I'm not a Ryan fan either, but let's be rational.
thedoper wrote:Tell me we're not tanking when we play Okogie and Rubio at the same time.
We're inept, but we aren't tanking.
Exactly right, Cool. Ryan Saunders was playing Okogie and Rubio together long before the Wolves were entrenched in last place. You could argue that playing Rubio at any time is evidence of taking, which means the Wolves were taking since day one. Of course they're not taking. But this team is clearly inept from Rosas to Saunders.
After all these games of Rubio and Okogie not working together, with no pressure to change or improve the logical conclusion has to be that theyre ok with losing. Otherwise there would be change in the roster, lineup, or coaching.
Ricky is our starting point guard when DLO is out. Do you expect him never to play at the same time as Okogie when someone has to guard Leonard? I'm not a Ryan fan either, but let's be rational.
This has been a problem even dating back to Thibs. One of the issues is he's a big, not a ball handling perimeter player. This is why Abe has said all along it's a mistake to build around an offensive big.
The second issue is they put a guy like Batum on him and now it's not a huge advantage to isolate him on the wing since Batum can easily stay in front of him.
So what's left? The post up. Well, the post up is one of the easiest things to guard because you can be super physical without getting a foul called, or you can front, and then of course the guys guarding Okogie and Rubio can sag in. It was a freakin' crowd in the lane in the 2nd half after the Clippers made some adjustments.
It's just harder to create shot attempts for him versus Leonard. But yeah, 15 is still way too few.
Part of it is on KAT he still needs to become a better P&R or P&P player. How often have we see KAT roll to the rim for a lob dunk off the pick? I think there is some fine tuning he could do to improve his own shot chances.
thedoper wrote:Tell me we're not tanking when we play Okogie and Rubio at the same time.
We're inept, but we aren't tanking.
Exactly right, Cool. Ryan Saunders was playing Okogie and Rubio together long before the Wolves were entrenched in last place. You could argue that playing Rubio at any time is evidence of taking, which means the Wolves were taking since day one. Of course they're not taking. But this team is clearly inept from Rosas to Saunders.
After all these games of Rubio and Okogie not working together, with no pressure to change or improve the logical conclusion has to be that theyre ok with losing. Otherwise there would be change in the roster, lineup, or coaching.
Ricky is our starting point guard when DLO is out. Do you expect him never to play at the same time as Okogie when someone has to guard Leonard? I'm not a Ryan fan either, but let's be rational.
Rational would be Okogie getting 10 minutes a night max. His minutes out there against Leonard did nothing positive for us. Id venture to guess that McDaniels could have taken 15 of Josh's minutes and still held Leonard to his 36. We cant keep doubling up non shooters. Its predictable just how bad this offense is going to be every night.
Ty Lue on the biggest adjustment in the second half: "Putting Nic Batum on KAT, and putting Serge on Okogie. We were able to switch the pick-and-rolls... just giving them a different look. I thought our switching made them stagnant."
Gee, I wonder what Ryan Saunders did to counter that... Oh, never mind.
Camden0916 wrote:Ty Lue on the biggest adjustment in the second half: "Putting Nic Batum on KAT, and putting Serge on Okogie. We were able to switch the pick-and-rolls... just giving them a different look. I thought our switching made them stagnant."
Gee, I wonder what Ryan Saunders did to counter that... Oh, never mind.
The thing what annoys me if you are going to play Okogie at the 4 you need to have him be the screener in PnR action to make Okogie defender defend.
It's sad because okogie seemed like a rotation piece 2 years ago but no improvement makes him unplayable beside end of quarter defensive possessions.
Ryan Saunders really watched Jaden McDaniels completely change the trajectory of the game in only 10 first half minutes, only to play him 6 minutes in the second half until inserting him with a minute and a half left in the game when it was already over.
BloopOracle wrote:Ryan Saunders really watched Jaden McDaniels completely change the trajectory of the game in only 10 first half minutes, only to play him 6 minutes in the second half until inserting him with a minute and a half left in the game when it was already over.
Yeah. I know the NBA has an unwritten rule about rotations and guys earning their spots and guys knowing their roles and all that...
... but Josh Okogie should not be one of those guys, not even when up vs. Kawhi Leonard. I'm ok with him starting the 2nd half on Leonard. It worked in the first half and the Wolves were up. But there was no need to stick with him for as long as they did in that 3rd quarter. It was obvious to literally everybody what was going on. The Clippers made one small adjustment (don't guard Okogie)... and there you go.
Okogie is not a seasoned vet who deserves those minutes. It helped swing the game... until Okogie was mercifully removed.
