Q12543 wrote:I really like the long-term potential of Booker/Jackson, with Jackson being the "do shit" Iggy type defender and hustler on the wing and Booker being more of a pure scorer and shooter that can also make plays for others. I would argue this pair is much more complimentary in their skill-set than Wiggins and Butler. But Jackson needs to pick up where he left off and keep improving. That's never a guarantee.
I highly doubt Ayton will be better than KAT offensively, as very few existing NBA players are as good. The question is whether he can help anchor a Suns defense that was 30th in the NBA last year. I have no clue on that one. But assuming he eventually becomes a strong interior defensive presence that can also rebound and get some easy buckets, I'd probably take the Booker/Jackson/Ayton trio over the KAT/Butler/Wiggins trio.
No disrespect to anyone on the Suns but Towns and Butler are better than anyone on that team. It's honestly kind of a no-brainer for me. The Suns certainly have a chance to catch up. Personally I think if they pass on Luka they will regret it. I get that it's tough to pass on Ayton though. The other thing is it doesn't seem like the Suns have done anything to make me think it's an above average (or even average) organization. Maybe the Wolves aren't better in that regard but to me the Suns don't exactly get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to that area.
Q12543 wrote:I really like the long-term potential of Booker/Jackson, with Jackson being the "do shit" Iggy type defender and hustler on the wing and Booker being more of a pure scorer and shooter that can also make plays for others. I would argue this pair is much more complimentary in their skill-set than Wiggins and Butler. But Jackson needs to pick up where he left off and keep improving. That's never a guarantee.
I highly doubt Ayton will be better than KAT offensively, as very few existing NBA players are as good. The question is whether he can help anchor a Suns defense that was 30th in the NBA last year. I have no clue on that one. But assuming he eventually becomes a strong interior defensive presence that can also rebound and get some easy buckets, I'd probably take the Booker/Jackson/Ayton trio over the KAT/Butler/Wiggins trio.
No disrespect to anyone on the Suns but Towns and Butler are better than anyone on that team. It's honestly kind of a no-brainer for me. The Suns certainly have a chance to catch up. Personally I think if they pass on Luka they will regret it. I get that it's tough to pass on Ayton though. The other thing is it doesn't seem like the Suns have done anything to make me think it's an above average (or even average) organization. Maybe the Wolves aren't better in that regard but to me the Suns don't exactly get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to that area.
Lol Luka might pull out of the draft because he doesn't want to be a King. To me Ayton is the no brainer #1 for the Suns. They have their wings. They need a big and he is very gifted offensively.
Also I would take Butler/Towns/Wiggins over Ayton/Jackson/Booker. Booker/Jackson have a lot more to prove as guys who can win you games and Towns is better than Ayton.
Q12543 wrote:I really like the long-term potential of Booker/Jackson, with Jackson being the "do shit" Iggy type defender and hustler on the wing and Booker being more of a pure scorer and shooter that can also make plays for others. I would argue this pair is much more complimentary in their skill-set than Wiggins and Butler. But Jackson needs to pick up where he left off and keep improving. That's never a guarantee.
I highly doubt Ayton will be better than KAT offensively, as very few existing NBA players are as good. The question is whether he can help anchor a Suns defense that was 30th in the NBA last year. I have no clue on that one. But assuming he eventually becomes a strong interior defensive presence that can also rebound and get some easy buckets, I'd probably take the Booker/Jackson/Ayton trio over the KAT/Butler/Wiggins trio.
No disrespect to anyone on the Suns but Towns and Butler are better than anyone on that team. It's honestly kind of a no-brainer for me. The Suns certainly have a chance to catch up. Personally I think if they pass on Luka they will regret it. I get that it's tough to pass on Ayton though. The other thing is it doesn't seem like the Suns have done anything to make me think it's an above average (or even average) organization. Maybe the Wolves aren't better in that regard but to me the Suns don't exactly get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to that area.
KAT and Butler are better, but Butler is as good as he's going to get and KAT still struggles defensively. And Wiggins is really no more effective now than he was as a rookie. It's hard to keep waiting on a guy that has 4 seasons under his belt! I guess the Suns' core has more perceived upside in my opinion since Jackson and Ayton have a bunch of runway in front of them still. Booker less so, but I think he is already really good.
Q12543 wrote:I really like the long-term potential of Booker/Jackson, with Jackson being the "do shit" Iggy type defender and hustler on the wing and Booker being more of a pure scorer and shooter that can also make plays for others. I would argue this pair is much more complimentary in their skill-set than Wiggins and Butler. But Jackson needs to pick up where he left off and keep improving. That's never a guarantee.
I highly doubt Ayton will be better than KAT offensively, as very few existing NBA players are as good. The question is whether he can help anchor a Suns defense that was 30th in the NBA last year. I have no clue on that one. But assuming he eventually becomes a strong interior defensive presence that can also rebound and get some easy buckets, I'd probably take the Booker/Jackson/Ayton trio over the KAT/Butler/Wiggins trio.
No disrespect to anyone on the Suns but Towns and Butler are better than anyone on that team. It's honestly kind of a no-brainer for me. The Suns certainly have a chance to catch up. Personally I think if they pass on Luka they will regret it. I get that it's tough to pass on Ayton though. The other thing is it doesn't seem like the Suns have done anything to make me think it's an above average (or even average) organization. Maybe the Wolves aren't better in that regard but to me the Suns don't exactly get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to that area.
KAT and Butler are better, but Butler is as good as he's going to get and KAT still struggles defensively. And Wiggins is really no more effective now than he was as a rookie. It's hard to keep waiting on a guy that has 4 seasons under his belt! I guess the Suns' core has more perceived upside in my opinion since Jackson and Ayton have a bunch of runway in front of them still. Booker less so, but I think he is already really good.
What has Jackson shown again? Josh Jackson had worse stats than Wiggins as a rookie and he has more upside? Peculiar. I can feel the hate growing inside you q :) If we could snag Booker somehow I'd be all for it. Him and Kat are besties. Out of curiosity, would you do the #1 and Jackson for KAT? I'm not saying I would or that it's a great trade, I'm just curious how much you actually value Jackson.
Q12543 wrote:I really like the long-term potential of Booker/Jackson, with Jackson being the "do shit" Iggy type defender and hustler on the wing and Booker being more of a pure scorer and shooter that can also make plays for others. I would argue this pair is much more complimentary in their skill-set than Wiggins and Butler. But Jackson needs to pick up where he left off and keep improving. That's never a guarantee.
I highly doubt Ayton will be better than KAT offensively, as very few existing NBA players are as good. The question is whether he can help anchor a Suns defense that was 30th in the NBA last year. I have no clue on that one. But assuming he eventually becomes a strong interior defensive presence that can also rebound and get some easy buckets, I'd probably take the Booker/Jackson/Ayton trio over the KAT/Butler/Wiggins trio.
No disrespect to anyone on the Suns but Towns and Butler are better than anyone on that team. It's honestly kind of a no-brainer for me. The Suns certainly have a chance to catch up. Personally I think if they pass on Luka they will regret it. I get that it's tough to pass on Ayton though. The other thing is it doesn't seem like the Suns have done anything to make me think it's an above average (or even average) organization. Maybe the Wolves aren't better in that regard but to me the Suns don't exactly get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to that area.
KAT and Butler are better, but Butler is as good as he's going to get and KAT still struggles defensively. And Wiggins is really no more effective now than he was as a rookie. It's hard to keep waiting on a guy that has 4 seasons under his belt! I guess the Suns' core has more perceived upside in my opinion since Jackson and Ayton have a bunch of runway in front of them still. Booker less so, but I think he is already really good.
What has Jackson shown again? Josh Jackson had worse stats than Wiggins as a rookie and he has more upside? Peculiar. I can feel the hate growing inside you q :) If we could snag Booker somehow I'd be all for it. Him and Kat are besties. Out of curiosity, would you do the #1 and Jackson for KAT? I'm not saying I would or that it's a great trade, I'm just curious how much you actually value Jackson.
Well Q....as you well know none of these guys may ever get to the place where even Towns is. Sure the potential is there to be good but guys can be busts too. I get why people are high on Ayton I just have some reservations about him. I felt a little unimpressed by him when watching him in a couple games. Physically the guy is pretty insane. There are questions about his motor...
Diallo just almost jumped over the vertical measurement tool at the combine. Just saw a video of it on NBA's instagram. Insane. He's still raw and supposedly in the range we're picking but somehow I think his stock is going to go up before draft day. Givony already hyping him up:
Grayson allen also had one of the best verticals at the combine. There could still be some interesting talent around where we pick. It seems like there are tons of athletic wings out there this year. I hope we land one that can actually play.
Q12543 wrote:I really like the long-term potential of Booker/Jackson, with Jackson being the "do shit" Iggy type defender and hustler on the wing and Booker being more of a pure scorer and shooter that can also make plays for others. I would argue this pair is much more complimentary in their skill-set than Wiggins and Butler. But Jackson needs to pick up where he left off and keep improving. That's never a guarantee.
I highly doubt Ayton will be better than KAT offensively, as very few existing NBA players are as good. The question is whether he can help anchor a Suns defense that was 30th in the NBA last year. I have no clue on that one. But assuming he eventually becomes a strong interior defensive presence that can also rebound and get some easy buckets, I'd probably take the Booker/Jackson/Ayton trio over the KAT/Butler/Wiggins trio.
No disrespect to anyone on the Suns but Towns and Butler are better than anyone on that team. It's honestly kind of a no-brainer for me. The Suns certainly have a chance to catch up. Personally I think if they pass on Luka they will regret it. I get that it's tough to pass on Ayton though. The other thing is it doesn't seem like the Suns have done anything to make me think it's an above average (or even average) organization. Maybe the Wolves aren't better in that regard but to me the Suns don't exactly get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to that area.
KAT and Butler are better, but Butler is as good as he's going to get and KAT still struggles defensively. And Wiggins is really no more effective now than he was as a rookie. It's hard to keep waiting on a guy that has 4 seasons under his belt! I guess the Suns' core has more perceived upside in my opinion since Jackson and Ayton have a bunch of runway in front of them still. Booker less so, but I think he is already really good.
What has Jackson shown again? Josh Jackson had worse stats than Wiggins as a rookie and he has more upside? Peculiar. I can feel the hate growing inside you q :) If we could snag Booker somehow I'd be all for it. Him and Kat are besties. Out of curiosity, would you do the #1 and Jackson for KAT? I'm not saying I would or that it's a great trade, I'm just curious how much you actually value Jackson.
I think Jackson was better defensively than Wiggins as a rookie and Wiggins was better offensively. Also, there is the matter of time. We have the benefit of seeing four seasons of Wiggins and the needle hasn't moved much at all. We can still slap the potential label on Jackson. I also see a lot more synergy between Booker and Jackson than Wiggins and Butler, so part of my logic is how he fits with Booker.
I would probably not do the #1 and Jackson for KAT. The #1 and Booker for KAT...that might be intriguing. My issue with KAT is his defense, plain and simple. It's a big freakin' problem given the position he plays. On the other hand, he is hands down our most gifted offensive player.
I'm not exactly a Josh Jackson apologist or bobo or anything... I know very little about him.
But, I do know that he improved significantly statistically as the season went on.
1st 38 games:
9 ppg
37.8% fg
Next 39 games:
17 ppg
6 reb
44% fg
And let's not forget that he played 11 fewer mpg than Wiggins did as a rookie. So their seasons are at least comparable. The rub is whether Jackson's improvement during the season was a fluke... and he stagnates like Wiggins has largely done for four seasons... or continues to show incremental tangible improvement like many other top prospects.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:I'm not exactly a Josh Jackson apologist or bobo or anything... I know very little about him.
But, I do know that he improved significantly statistically as the season went on.
1st 38 games:
9 ppg
37.8% fg
Next 39 games:
17 ppg
6 reb
44% fg
And let's not forget that he played 11 fewer mpg than Wiggins did as a rookie. So their seasons are at least comparable. The rub is whether Jackson's improvement during the season was a fluke... and he stagnates like Wiggins has largely done for four seasons... or continues to show incremental tangible improvement like many other top prospects.
The rub on players on bad teams is always is this guy a good stats on a bad team guy or can he be the same level of contributor on a winning team. We won't know for a while, but that's always the hardest thing about evaluating rookies on bad teams.
