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lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Tactical unit wrote:So unless Covington is back very soon we got almost no shot at the playoffs IMO. Can we get assets for some of these expiring vets? Is J. Teague tradeable? Worst thing this franchise can do is sit around and do nothing, yet that's exactly what I expect :(

It's likely best this team can get by trading vets is 2nd round picks. I value those but it's not like we are passing up getting 1st rounders it something. I think they should deal Tolliver but the return is probably gonna be a 2nd rounder and it may not be a very high one.

You're probably right, Monster. However, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a team out there willing to give us a protected 2019 or 2020 first round pick for Derrick Rose. He can be a difference-maker as a spark off the bench for a contending team down the stretch - a team like the Rockets for example. Yet, I hate to give up Rose. If we can keep him longer term on a very reasonable deal, I'd keep him unless we can get a 1st round or very high 2nd round pick. Even then, I might be inclined to keep him.

I agree that Tolliver is the guy we should definitely trade. But I also agree it's unlikely we get better than a mid-2nd round pick. I'd shop him to the Sixers for Chicago's 2nd round pick, which should be a top 3 in that round. I don't think the Sixers would do that deal, but who knows. I think we could get the Sacramento 2nd rounder from them for Tolliver. But that pick will likely be in the low 40s so it's not a great asset. I'd still do it though.

I'd hate to trade Taj Gibson, but he's a guy who would fetch decent value. He's so solid on both sides of the ball. The only thing he lacks that teams like in a PF is 3-point shooting. But he does everything else well and has actually developed a decent corner three. His skills, reliability, leadership and savvy would make him highly valuable to a contending team down the stretch. He's another guy, like Rose, who I think could possibly fetch a low 1st round or high 2nd round pick.

I would LOVE to deal Teague, but his contract makes him very difficult to deal for any value and combined with his current injury status he's untradeable.

60WinTim wrote:Have we been so beaten down over the years that we feel cheated if we don't have a shot in the lottery?!?

We are just 2 games back in the loss column for the 8th spot, and not far behind a few higher seeds. We have managed to stay within striking distance despite our injury problems (a tribute to Kat and our veteran depth). We have a reasonable chance to make a run going into the all-star break, get healthy, and come out firing on all cylinders for the stretch run.

The island wants to see Kat and our young players continue to develop, our young, inexperienced coach to grow, and head into the playoffs in a better position than last year.

Let's leave the lottery years behind us.

60WinTim wrote:Have we been so beaten down over the years that we feel cheated if we don't have a shot in the lottery?!?

We are just 2 games back in the loss column for the 8th spot, and not far behind a few higher seeds. We have managed to stay within striking distance despite our injury problems (a tribute to Kat and our veteran depth). We have a reasonable chance to make a run going into the all-star break, get healthy, and come out firing on all cylinders for the stretch run.

The island wants to see Kat and our young players continue to develop, our young, inexperienced coach to grow, and head into the playoffs in a better position than last year.

Let's leave the lottery years behind us.

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Tactical unit wrote:So unless Covington is back very soon we got almost no shot at the playoffs IMO. Can we get assets for some of these expiring vets? Is J. Teague tradeable? Worst thing this franchise can do is sit around and do nothing, yet that's exactly what I expect :(

It's likely best this team can get by trading vets is 2nd round picks. I value those but it's not like we are passing up getting 1st rounders it something. I think they should deal Tolliver but the return is probably gonna be a 2nd rounder and it may not be a very high one.

You're probably right, Monster. However, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a team out there willing to give us a protected 2019 or 2020 first round pick for Derrick Rose. He can be a difference-maker as a spark off the bench for a contending team down the stretch - a team like the Rockets for example. Yet, I hate to give up Rose. If we can keep him longer term on a very reasonable deal, I'd keep him unless we can get a 1st round or very high 2nd round pick. Even then, I might be inclined to keep him.

I agree that Tolliver is the guy we should definitely trade. But I also agree it's unlikely we get better than a mid-2nd round pick. I'd shop him to the Sixers for Chicago's 2nd round pick, which should be a top 3 in that round. I don't think the Sixers would do that deal, but who knows. I think we could get the Sacramento 2nd rounder from them for Tolliver. But that pick will likely be in the low 40s so it's not a great asset. I'd still do it though.

I'd hate to trade Taj Gibson, but he's a guy who would fetch decent value. He's so solid on both sides of the ball. The only thing he lacks that teams like in a PF is 3-point shooting. But he does everything else well and has actually developed a decent corner three. His skills, reliability, leadership and savvy would make him highly valuable to a contending team down the stretch. He's another guy, like Rose, who I think could possibly fetch a low 1st round or high 2nd round pick.

I would LOVE to deal Teague, but his contract makes him very difficult to deal for any value and combined with his current injury status he's untradeable.

kekgeek1 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Tactical unit wrote:So unless Covington is back very soon we got almost no shot at the playoffs IMO. Can we get assets for some of these expiring vets? Is J. Teague tradeable? Worst thing this franchise can do is sit around and do nothing, yet that's exactly what I expect :(

It's likely best this team can get by trading vets is 2nd round picks. I value those but it's not like we are passing up getting 1st rounders it something. I think they should deal Tolliver but the return is probably gonna be a 2nd rounder and it may not be a very high one.

You're probably right, Monster. However, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a team out there willing to give us a protected 2019 or 2020 first round pick for Derrick Rose. He can be a difference-maker as a spark off the bench for a contending team down the stretch - a team like the Rockets for example. Yet, I hate to give up Rose. If we can keep him longer term on a very reasonable deal, I'd keep him unless we can get a 1st round or very high 2nd round pick. Even then, I might be inclined to keep him.

I agree that Tolliver is the guy we should definitely trade. But I also agree it's unlikely we get better than a mid-2nd round pick. I'd shop him to the Sixers for Chicago's 2nd round pick, which should be a top 3 in that round. I don't think the Sixers would do that deal, but who knows. I think we could get the Sacramento 2nd rounder from them for Tolliver. But that pick will likely be in the low 40s so it's not a great asset. I'd still do it though.

I'd hate to trade Taj Gibson, but he's a guy who would fetch decent value. He's so solid on both sides of the ball. The only thing he lacks that teams like in a PF is 3-point shooting. But he does everything else well and has actually developed a decent corner three. His skills, reliability, leadership and savvy would make him highly valuable to a contending team down the stretch. He's another guy, like Rose, who I think could possibly fetch a low 1st round or high 2nd round pick.

I would LOVE to deal Teague, but his contract makes him very difficult to deal for any value and combined with his current injury status he's untradeable.

Ya Teague injury really hurts because I doubt teams will gamble on him if he is hurt (I do think he had value before hand though)

If I was the wolves. I would offer Rose or Teague and toliver for fultz.

I think we need to gamble on a young guy like fultz. Now there is a good chance he is done but that is type of trade I would like the wolves to try and do.

6ers do it because they add a PG they need and a shooter in tolliver. They also get off fultz contract for the next 2 years.

But in general I'll be upset if toliver is on this team past the deadline.

I'll be very upset if we just waive toliver and Bayless

thedoper wrote:Our whole franchise has the yips. Fultz would be perfect for us.