Get Ready For It to Rain 3's (Wolves vs. GS)

[Lipoli390]

Jimmy was trolling the Golden State crowd... How is this being spun into another thing to hate on Jimmy about? Relax, guys. You're searching for anything and everything to throw at the guy.

Agreed! People are rightfully down on Jimmy so they're looking for any little thing to bitch about... like I do with Wiggins!

So true, SP. Thibodeau or Glen or whoever needs to ship Butler out tomorrow. If not, a lot of us (myself included) will trash him if he saves a small child's life from an oncoming bus. Get Butler the hell out of here!!!

Reports continue to say that Thibodeau's asking price is way more than any team is willing to pay. Maybe his value has gone up a bit with the Houston offer, but there's a limit. Keep in mind that the Wolves didn't exactly give up a treasure trove for Butler. We gave up a very promising young one-way player still recovering from ACL surgery, a former 7th draft pick following a poor rookie season, and a 7th pick in exchange for a 15th pick. And at that time, Butler wasn't demanding a trade or acting out in any way. And he wasn't in the last season of his contract with the risk of being a one-year rental. Any rational appraisal of the situation has to recognize that it's highly unlikely the Wolves can get more than they gave up for Butler. In fact, it's highly likely they'll have to accept less.

Here's a comparison of the Wolves deal for Butler last summer to the best possible realistic Miami deal:

LaVine v. Josh Richardson
Dunn v. Adebayo
7th pick instead of 15th v. Miami's 1st (likely around 20)

When you factor in Richardson's contract compared to the fact that LaVine was one season from commanding a $20 million per year contract and when you compare Adebayo's potential to Dunn's, I'd say the Wolves are getting a better deal than the Bulls got from us. The downside for the Wolves compared to the Bulls is that we'd be taking back Waiters' contract. But again, we don't have anything close to the leverage the Bulls had last summer. Thibodeau's stubborn stupidity continues to hold this franchise back from moving forward. But Thibodeau is still lost in his own delusion that Butler might re-sign here, combined with his companion delusion that the rest of the League loves Butler as much as he does.

[Monster]

Jimmy was trolling the Golden State crowd... How is this being spun into another thing to hate on Jimmy about? Relax, guys. You're searching for anything and everything to throw at the guy.

Agreed! People are rightfully down on Jimmy so they're looking for any little thing to bitch about... like I do with Wiggins!

So true, SP. Thibodeau or Glen or whoever needs to ship Butler out tomorrow. If not, a lot of us (myself included) will trash him if he saves a small child's life from an oncoming bus. Get Butler the hell out of here!!!

Reports continue to say that Thibodeau's asking price is way more than any team is willing to pay. Maybe his value has gone up a bit with the Houston offer, but there's a limit. Keep in mind that the Wolves didn't exactly give up a treasure trove for Butler. We gave up a very promising young one-way player still recovering from ACL surgery, a former 7th draft pick following a poor rookie season, and a 7th pick in exchange for a 15th pick. And at that time, Butler wasn't demanding a trade or acting out in any way. And he wasn't in the last season of his contract with the risk of being a one-year rental. Any rational appraisal of the situation has to recognize that it's highly unlikely the Wolves can get more than they gave up for Butler. In fact, it's highly likely they'll have to accept less.

Here's a comparison of the Wolves deal for Butler last summer to the best possible realistic Miami deal:

LaVine v. Josh Richardson
Dunn v. Adebayo
7th pick instead of 15th v. Miami's 1st (likely around 20)

When you factor in Richardson's contract compared to the fact that LaVine was one season from commanding a $20 million per year contract and when you compare Adebayo's potential to Dunn's, I'd say the Wolves are getting a better deal than the Bulls got from us. The downside for the Wolves compared to the Bulls is that we'd be taking back Waiters' contract. But again, we don't have anything close to the leverage the Bulls had last summer. Thibodeau's stubborn stupidity continues to hold this franchise back from moving forward. But Thibodeau is still lost in his own delusion that Butler might re-sign here, combined with his companion delusion that the rest of the League loves Butler as much as he does.

I like your comparison I will add that the Wolves also got back pick #18

The problem with the options out there I think Bobby Marks said 27% of the league isn't eligible to be traded. Matching contracts matter as do not wanting to take back money this year. Even if the Wizards called and offered Porter straight up for Butler and you really wanted Porter...that move puts the Wolves in the Lux tax AND adds a bunch of salary for next year.

[Lipoli390]

Jimmy was trolling the Golden State crowd... How is this being spun into another thing to hate on Jimmy about? Relax, guys. You're searching for anything and everything to throw at the guy.

Agreed! People are rightfully down on Jimmy so they're looking for any little thing to bitch about... like I do with Wiggins!

So true, SP. Thibodeau or Glen or whoever needs to ship Butler out tomorrow. If not, a lot of us (myself included) will trash him if he saves a small child's life from an oncoming bus. Get Butler the hell out of here!!!

Reports continue to say that Thibodeau's asking price is way more than any team is willing to pay. Maybe his value has gone up a bit with the Houston offer, but there's a limit. Keep in mind that the Wolves didn't exactly give up a treasure trove for Butler. We gave up a very promising young one-way player still recovering from ACL surgery, a former 7th draft pick following a poor rookie season, and a 7th pick in exchange for a 15th pick. And at that time, Butler wasn't demanding a trade or acting out in any way. And he wasn't in the last season of his contract with the risk of being a one-year rental. Any rational appraisal of the situation has to recognize that it's highly unlikely the Wolves can get more than they gave up for Butler. In fact, it's highly likely they'll have to accept less.

Here's a comparison of the Wolves deal for Butler last summer to the best possible realistic Miami deal:

LaVine v. Josh Richardson
Dunn v. Adebayo
7th pick instead of 15th v. Miami's 1st (likely around 20)

When you factor in Richardson's contract compared to the fact that LaVine was one season from commanding a $20 million per year contract and when you compare Adebayo's potential to Dunn's, I'd say the Wolves are getting a better deal than the Bulls got from us. The downside for the Wolves compared to the Bulls is that we'd be taking back Waiters' contract. But again, we don't have anything close to the leverage the Bulls had last summer. Thibodeau's stubborn stupidity continues to hold this franchise back from moving forward. But Thibodeau is still lost in his own delusion that Butler might re-sign here, combined with his companion delusion that the rest of the League loves Butler as much as he does.

I like your comparison I will add that the Wolves also got back pick #18

The problem with the options out there I think Bobby Marks said 27% of the league isn't eligible to be traded. Matching contracts matter as do not wanting to take back money this year. Even if the Wizards called and offered Porter straight up for Butler and you really wanted Porter...that move puts the Wolves in the Lux tax AND adds a bunch of salary for next year.

That's right. There are lots of practical constraints on the market for Butler or any other allstar caliber player for that matter. A lot of teams aren't at a point in their development where adding a Butler would make sense. Other teams don't have assets that would make sense for the Wolves. Then there are other teams that can't put together a package that matches salaries. Still other teams know it would be highly unlikely Buter would re-sign with them next summer. Other teams that believe he would re-sign with them can't know for sure, so they'd only have him for sure for the balance of this season. Other teams are turned off by Butler's reputation for alienating teammates. Still other teams are put off by Butler's well-established injury history. In the end, that leaves a very small number of teams that would have serious interest in Butler. Then of course, every team knows Butler wants out of MN and won't re-sign with the Wolves, which severely limits the Wolves' leverage. Add to that the fact, as you pointed out, that the Wolves are close to the luxury tax threshold and a number of potential deals would push the Wolves over that threshold. So it's not a seller's market for Jimmy. That's the reality.