Giannis Trade Discussion

[WildWolf2813]

I'll play the game of "what if we did trade for Giannis"

for Randle/McDaniels /2 1's /a 2nd /a couple of swaps


It necessitates a Gobert trade.

Let's say that happens with Atlanta and we swap Gobert for Kuminga/Kispert /the #8 pick and Milwaukee's 2027 pick

I'm gonna play unrealistic hypothetical trade if the Wolves actually get Giannis


It's probably gonna be Randle, McDaniels, 2 #1's, 2 swaps, Memphis 2030 2nd


that necessitates a Gobert trade. If Atlanta's really interested in Gobert, that'll probably be #8/Kuminga/Kispert /Milwaukee 2027 first


So the lineup would be


C Giannis /Beringer /Zikarsky

PF Reid /Slow-Mo /Thanasis

SF Kispert /Kuminga /Middleton or Julian Phillips

SG Ant /Shannon /DiVincenzo

PG Dosumnu /Labaron Philon /Conley

We can only do one swap in 2028.
We also would have to add TSJ to that offer.

Hawks ain't giving up pick 8 plus another pick. Either pick 8 by itself in loaded top 10 or pick 23 and another protected future 1st. Also if Gobert is added, we would be asking for Okongwu.

I doubt we'd ask for Okongwu. Instead we'd want picks and a DiVincenzo replacement. Okongwu isn't a Beringer stopgap. He's a Beringer blockade.

[TheGrey08]

Supposedly Giannis turned down a "far West team" in terms of not committing but won't " dissuade all teams".

That reads as anti Portland and Wolves positive to me.

It's going to be hilarious, and very exciting, if TC pulls this off.

We can all but count the Wolves out based on everything that's been reported the past week and today. It's down to BOS & MIA and BOS is offering Brown. Jaden being off the table. Bucks reportedly wanting Jaden, Naz, TSJ and picks. It just wasn't in the cards and I'll be relieved when it's over. Just isn't worth trading at least half your rotation for a 30+ superstar.

[60WinTim]

I was really hoping the Giannis saga would be over today so teams can move on with other business, include the Wolves...

[Monster]

I was really hoping the Giannis saga would be over today so teams can move on with other business, include the Wolves...

Yeah that would be nice but I get why the Bucks are taking it down to the wire. It's kinda funny that the reporting this afternoon is that Brown is the best player/asset the Bucks can get back. I guess at some point there wasn't an absolute certainty he was being made available but it's seemed reasonably clear for a few days he was available for a Giannis deal.

I'll say this that to some extent it doesn't matter what the Bucks get back if they don't do a good job of building developing the roster. They have been a mixed bag probably doing better at adding young players after a few years in the league than their draft picks.

[Q-is-here]

But.... It is an argument that has more and more convinced me that trading for Giannis, at the right price would be ideal. The right price means keeping Jaden, that's critical in my opinion. You also have to move Rudy and I don't know who is your 5 that can space the floor next to Giannis, but ultimately I think it's the right fit and the right opportunity.

We'll see what happens but I think I'm most in favor of this move more than any else, assuming you keep Jaden

I would be willing to bet my drawer-full of Midwest Volleyball tchotchkeys that Tim Connelly and his front office staff are working the phones hard to put together a deal that would be acceptable to Milwaukee while NOT including Jaden.

Rudy would fit really well on Charlotte, a team on the cusp of making the playoffs and a PG capable of delivering him the ball in places where he can catch it. They were #5 on offense and #12 on defense last season, but their Centers are kind of "meh" overall. I have to believe he would be an attractive piece for them.

Charlotte also happens to have quite a few 1st round draft picks this year and next and Rudy would likely be worth at least two, if not three, of those first rounders along with the matching salaries of existing role players on their roster. Those 1sts would be valuable currency in the pursuit of Giannis in addition to the two 1st the Wolves have of their own that can be traded (this year's and, gulp, 2033 I believe).

Now let's turn to Randle. Milwaukee was terrible when Giannis didn't play last season and the new anti-tanking rules provide a disincentive for teams to end up among the bottom 3. Their Center happens to be Myles Turner, one of the few stretch 5 starting Centers in the NBA. Randle would help replace some of Giannis's scoring while being a decent fit next to Myles. This may be enough to make Milwaukee solidly mediocre, which is the sweet spot that yields the most lottery balls.

You'd have to make all the other salary matching work and I'm positive we'd need a big assist from Giannis' camp as a preferred destination, but I do think a deal centered around Randle and the assets Rudy gets from a 3rd team could be a compelling package.

Or may be I'm just dreaming....

Q - I think your drawer will remain full with your Volleyball tchotchkeys. No doubt in my mind you’re right about TC working the phones feverishly to pull off an Giannis deal. You’re also right that the Hornets have a bevy of attractive 1st round picks this year and next.

Where your analysis goes astray in my view is the assumption that the Wolves could get 2 or three of those Charlotte picks for Rudy Gobert. Sadly, I think you’re grossly overselling Rudy’s trade value. We can’t look at Rudy through the overpay lens of Tim Connelly and his overpay was back when Rudy was 30 years old, not 33 as he is now. And I don’t think the Bucks would view Randle as a significant value-add to their team as they enter full rebuild mode, although I get your point about not becoming too bad under the new lottery rules.

The Hornets have picks 14 and 18 this year. Next year they have their own 1st along with the Mavs’ pick (top 3 protected) and Miami’s pick (top 15 protected). So they’re likely to have at least two high to mid-first round picks next year and possibly as third mid to low first rounder. Yes, they’re loaded with four likely 1st round picks this year and next combined. The Bucks would likely insist on getting at least three of those picks, including this year’s #14, for Giannis. Maybe the Hornets would trade #14 for Rudy but I don’t see them giving up more. And I can’t see the Bucks seeing enough value in Randle to accept less than three of those four Charlotte picks - probably all four.

Honestly, if we can get two of those Charlotte picks (including their #14) for Rudy and our #28 (probably the best we could expect) I’d jump on that deal and use those picks to add young talent.

Ultimately my idea was dependent on Giannis actually wanting to come to Minnesota, but it appears he prefers to stay in the Eastern Conference. I guess I don't blame him.

[Lipoli390]

I would be willing to bet my drawer-full of Midwest Volleyball tchotchkeys that Tim Connelly and his front office staff are working the phones hard to put together a deal that would be acceptable to Milwaukee while NOT including Jaden.

Rudy would fit really well on Charlotte, a team on the cusp of making the playoffs and a PG capable of delivering him the ball in places where he can catch it. They were #5 on offense and #12 on defense last season, but their Centers are kind of "meh" overall. I have to believe he would be an attractive piece for them.

Charlotte also happens to have quite a few 1st round draft picks this year and next and Rudy would likely be worth at least two, if not three, of those first rounders along with the matching salaries of existing role players on their roster. Those 1sts would be valuable currency in the pursuit of Giannis in addition to the two 1st the Wolves have of their own that can be traded (this year's and, gulp, 2033 I believe).

Now let's turn to Randle. Milwaukee was terrible when Giannis didn't play last season and the new anti-tanking rules provide a disincentive for teams to end up among the bottom 3. Their Center happens to be Myles Turner, one of the few stretch 5 starting Centers in the NBA. Randle would help replace some of Giannis's scoring while being a decent fit next to Myles. This may be enough to make Milwaukee solidly mediocre, which is the sweet spot that yields the most lottery balls.

You'd have to make all the other salary matching work and I'm positive we'd need a big assist from Giannis' camp as a preferred destination, but I do think a deal centered around Randle and the assets Rudy gets from a 3rd team could be a compelling package.

Or may be I'm just dreaming....

Q - I think your drawer will remain full with your Volleyball tchotchkeys. No doubt in my mind you’re right about TC working the phones feverishly to pull off an Giannis deal. You’re also right that the Hornets have a bevy of attractive 1st round picks this year and next.

Where your analysis goes astray in my view is the assumption that the Wolves could get 2 or three of those Charlotte picks for Rudy Gobert. Sadly, I think you’re grossly overselling Rudy’s trade value. We can’t look at Rudy through the overpay lens of Tim Connelly and his overpay was back when Rudy was 30 years old, not 33 as he is now. And I don’t think the Bucks would view Randle as a significant value-add to their team as they enter full rebuild mode, although I get your point about not becoming too bad under the new lottery rules.

The Hornets have picks 14 and 18 this year. Next year they have their own 1st along with the Mavs’ pick (top 3 protected) and Miami’s pick (top 15 protected). So they’re likely to have at least two high to mid-first round picks next year and possibly as third mid to low first rounder. Yes, they’re loaded with four likely 1st round picks this year and next combined. The Bucks would likely insist on getting at least three of those picks, including this year’s #14, for Giannis. Maybe the Hornets would trade #14 for Rudy but I don’t see them giving up more. And I can’t see the Bucks seeing enough value in Randle to accept less than three of those four Charlotte picks - probably all four.

Honestly, if we can get two of those Charlotte picks (including their #14) for Rudy and our #28 (probably the best we could expect) I’d jump on that deal and use those picks to add young talent.

Ultimately my idea was dependent on Giannis actually wanting to come to Minnesota, but it appears he prefers to stay in the Eastern Conference. I guess I don't blame him.

Once again, it appears that the big game TC was after proved elusive and will end up in some other team’s trophy case -probably in Miami or Boston. Credit TC for apparently refusing to give up Jaden or Beringer. I’m still afraid he’s going to overpay form someone who doesn’t move the needle for us. I’m just hoping that when the dust settles we have Ant, Jaden, Naz, Beringer, Rocco, Ayo and TSJ on our roster. I’m tired of these long hale Mary pass attempts. It’s reminding me too much of the bad old days when we were chasing Allen Iverson and later Nic Batum.

Can we please have a front office that builds strategically and methodically like the vast majority of championship organizations. Even the Knicks had a method to their madness as they acquired a number of very good but not great players all of similar vintage over several years. But of course, OKC and the Spurs now, like the Warriors before them, have shown the best way for any team outside LA or Miami to build a sustainable championship team. We’re chasing OKC and the Spurs who have young but better teams with full draft cupboards.

Kyle made an interesting comment on the Dane Moore podcast earlier today. He said he’d like the Wolves to retool without necessarily taking a step or half-step back this summer and I agree. But the interesting part was when Kyle said we already took a step back last summer when we leaned in on continuity. He’s right. I saw last season as the time to take a step or half-step back by trading Randle before the season and going with the younger players to fully evaluate and develop them. Instead, we stepped back by going with continuity. It was the kind of step back that does not result in eventually taking two steps forward.

I think this summer is our last chance to retool but with less margin for error than last summer. I don’t mean throwing in the towel on next season. I mean using Randle, Rudy and possibly pick 28 to bring in young talent via draft or trades to get the right team around our core of Ant, Jaden, Naz, Ayo, TSJ, Beringer and Rocco. I don’t mean long-term developmental projects. I mean young 27 or under vets with talent and some upside. I want to see TC find at least another NAW and possibly land an SGA or maybe draft a Haliburton (could be Philon). Maybe we take a half-step back next season but position ourselves for a huge leap in the 2027-28 season - the season before Ant’s last contract year. Of course, if we can get Derrick White for Randle and #28 that would be fine. Maybe we can get Miami’s #13 pick and a good player for Rudy if Miami strikes out on both Giannis and Kawhi.

Getting back to the topic of this thread, I predict Giannis will end up in Miami. I think the Bucks will ultimately opt for the deal with lots of picks over the deal for a 30-year old all-star on a very expensive contract. If I’m right I’m convinced we’ll have an opportunity to acquire Derrick White in exchange for Randle or Rudy. If it’s Randle, we’ll have to give up pick 28 but I wouldn’t give up anything else if up to me. If it’s Rudy, I would expect something else back from Boston in addition to White - probably a future lottery-protected first. If we can keep pick 28, I’d use it to trade down into the second round and draft Bruce Thornton who reminds me of Jalen Brunson.

[Mnwild1128]

I'll play the game of "what if we did trade for Giannis"

for Randle/McDaniels /2 1's /a 2nd /a couple of swaps


It necessitates a Gobert trade.

Let's say that happens with Atlanta and we swap Gobert for Kuminga/Kispert /the #8 pick and Milwaukee's 2027 pick

I'm gonna play unrealistic hypothetical trade if the Wolves actually get Giannis


It's probably gonna be Randle, McDaniels, 2 #1's, 2 swaps, Memphis 2030 2nd


that necessitates a Gobert trade. If Atlanta's really interested in Gobert, that'll probably be #8/Kuminga/Kispert /Milwaukee 2027 first


So the lineup would be


C Giannis /Beringer /Zikarsky

PF Reid /Slow-Mo /Thanasis

SF Kispert /Kuminga /Middleton or Julian Phillips

SG Ant /Shannon /DiVincenzo

PG Dosumnu /Labaron Philon /Conley

We can only do one swap in 2028.
We also would have to add TSJ to that offer.

Hawks ain't giving up pick 8 plus another pick. Either pick 8 by itself in loaded top 10 or pick 23 and another protected future 1st. Also if Gobert is added, we would be asking for Okongwu.

I doubt we'd ask for Okongwu. Instead we'd want picks and a DiVincenzo replacement. Okongwu isn't a Beringer stopgap. He's a Beringer blockade.

There is no reason we could not play Okongwu 28 mpg and Beringer 20. And then reaccess and reallocate minutes from there. Just giving him the reigns would be a mistake.

[Phenom]

Ok now that Boston didn't get Giannis, is Rudy Boston bound?

[Q-is-here]

This thread now hereby obsolete, LOL.

Well, it was fun to speculate. Congrats to Milwuakee and Miami!

[Lipoli390]

The most important thing about Giannis going to Miami is that my prediction was correct. It’s all about me. But if I try to think of anything but me, I can see an opportunity for the Wolves to swap Rudy for Derrick White. It’s been reported that the Celtics approached the Wolves about Rudy at last February’s trade deadline. It’s clear the Celtics are looking to strengthen their front court and Giannis going to Miami seems to put Rudy and the Wolves in play. But if I were in TC’s shoes I’d be resolute about not giving up anything other than Rudy for White. And actually, I’d prefer to use Rudy to acquire multiple assets rather than one guy at White’s level.

I like the idea of Rudy to Atlanta for Okongwu, Kispert and draft capital.