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I would loves to trade down and get McGaw/Valentine and Sabonis. Sabonis seem like a guy that will just out produce everyone.

-This set of measurements include our first official data on UNLV's Patrick McCaw. One of the more under the radar prospects in college basketball, McCaw measured 6'6.75 in shoes with a 6'10 wingspan and a 181-pound frame. The talented sophomore has sensational size for a two guard. As his frame matures he could conceivably fill in at both wing positions down the road. Other notable players popping up in our measurements listing for the first time include Ben Bentil, who measured 6'8.25 in shoes with a 7'1.5 wingspan at just under 230 pounds, and DeAndre Bembry, who stands 6'5.75 in shoes with a 6'9.25 wingspan at 207 pounds.

I still go Dunn with the goal of gradually giving him more ball handling responsibilities because he's turnover prone right now. Let him focus on defense and shooting on the second unit next to Tyus or he might even beat out Tyus for the backup PG role. The second unit was rudderless and had no defenders on it and Dunn can help with both. I think long-term a Ricky/Dunn/Lavine trio with a small contribution of Wiggins at the 2 can work really well. I like Dunn's PG experience when thinking about a combo backup guard over Zach as that guy moving forward.

http://www.startribune.com/bentil-s-defense-catches-wolves-eye/379293841/

I found this morning's article in the Strib about Ben Bentil to be interesting for several reasons. First of all, I didn't know much about him before reading this article, but he sounds like a very good prospect. And the fact that a PF with an NBA-ready body who averaged 21 and 8 on 46% shooting, and is a plus defender with 3-point range, is slated to go late in the first round at best, tells me a lot about the depth of this draft. Combine that depth with the disagreement among us here about the quality of the players at the top of the lottery, and trading pick 4-7 for a couple later first rounders seems like a prudent move.

I also found it intriguing that Zgoda focused on this one recruit, and that Thibs also spent some time with him. I like Thibs work ethic and thoroughness in approaching this draft, and while he may just be keeping his options open, interviewing a lower-tier candidate like Bentil may signal that he is leaning toward trading our pick.

bleedspeed177 wrote:I would loves to trade down and get McGaw/Valentine and Sabonis. Sabonis seem like a guy that will just out produce everyone.

-This set of measurements include our first official data on UNLV's Patrick McCaw. One of the more under the radar prospects in college basketball, McCaw measured 6'6.75 in shoes with a 6'10 wingspan and a 181-pound frame. The talented sophomore has sensational size for a two guard. As his frame matures he could conceivably fill in at both wing positions down the road. Other notable players popping up in our measurements listing for the first time include Ben Bentil, who measured 6'8.25 in shoes with a 7'1.5 wingspan at just under 230 pounds, and DeAndre Bembry, who stands 6'5.75 in shoes with a 6'9.25 wingspan at 207 pounds.

Ix-nay on the ade-trey own-dey alk-tey. The board's not ready to admit that Auerbach did the right thing getting Parrish and Mchale for Joe Barry Carroll, so they're can't be ready to admit that maybe Ingram doesn't make the Hall of Fame.

On Tuesday, if MIN finished ahead of PHX, a perfect trade is MIN's first for PHX's two firsts and #34. I would prefer a pure 5, but if Thibs thinks that's KAT, then something like Sabonnis/Poeltl/Bentil. I think Bentil is there at #34.

Sidenote: I noticed a lot of you prefer Draftexpress over nbadraftdotnet. Really? Sabonnis at #18? Bentil at #52?

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:I would loves to trade down and get McGaw/Valentine and Sabonis. Sabonis seem like a guy that will just out produce everyone.

-This set of measurements include our first official data on UNLV's Patrick McCaw. One of the more under the radar prospects in college basketball, McCaw measured 6'6.75 in shoes with a 6'10 wingspan and a 181-pound frame. The talented sophomore has sensational size for a two guard. As his frame matures he could conceivably fill in at both wing positions down the road. Other notable players popping up in our measurements listing for the first time include Ben Bentil, who measured 6'8.25 in shoes with a 7'1.5 wingspan at just under 230 pounds, and DeAndre Bembry, who stands 6'5.75 in shoes with a 6'9.25 wingspan at 207 pounds.

Ix-nay on the ade-trey own-dey alk-tey. The board's not ready to admit that Auerbach did the right thing getting Parrish and Mchale for Joe Barry Carroll, so they're can't be ready to admit that maybe Ingram doesn't make the Hall of Fame.

On Tuesday, if MIN finished ahead of PHX, a perfect trade is MIN's first for PHX's two firsts and #34. I would prefer a pure 5, but if Thibs thinks that's KAT, then something like Sabonnis/Poeltl/Bentil. I think Bentil is there at #34.

Sidenote: I noticed a lot of you prefer Draftexpress over nbadraftdotnet. Really? Sabonnis at #18? Bentil at #52?

Let me see if I understand what you are saying. In order for us to finish ahead of Phoenix, we need to win the lottery, so let's assume we move up to 3rd and they move down to 5th. I think you are then suggesting we trade them pick #3 for their picks 13, 28 and 34. You asked if there is an NBA valuation of draft picks like there is in the NFL...here is the one I use:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2740

The value of the 4th pick is 50.8, and the value of 13, 28 and 34 is 53.6...so just going by that, this is a fair trade that the Wolves slightly win. I think the depth of this trade makes it even a better deal for the Wolves. The Suns might do it because the prospect of having the 3rd and 5th picks sounds very attractive.

Some will argue that the Wolves don't need three more rookies, and that's a valid argument. But we do have roster room and the DLeague is available for rookies not expecting much court time. Bender would be the most likely pick at 3, and he is intriguing to say the least. But I like even more the value of drafting Valentine, LeVert (6'7" SG who made 46% of his 3's) and Bentil...three guys who appear NBA-ready and provide needed depth at three positions.

If I understand Jason's proposed trade, I'm in favor.

longstrangetrip wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:I would loves to trade down and get McGaw/Valentine and Sabonis. Sabonis seem like a guy that will just out produce everyone.

-This set of measurements include our first official data on UNLV's Patrick McCaw. One of the more under the radar prospects in college basketball, McCaw measured 6'6.75 in shoes with a 6'10 wingspan and a 181-pound frame. The talented sophomore has sensational size for a two guard. As his frame matures he could conceivably fill in at both wing positions down the road. Other notable players popping up in our measurements listing for the first time include Ben Bentil, who measured 6'8.25 in shoes with a 7'1.5 wingspan at just under 230 pounds, and DeAndre Bembry, who stands 6'5.75 in shoes with a 6'9.25 wingspan at 207 pounds.

Ix-nay on the ade-trey own-dey alk-tey. The board's not ready to admit that Auerbach did the right thing getting Parrish and Mchale for Joe Barry Carroll, so they're can't be ready to admit that maybe Ingram doesn't make the Hall of Fame.

On Tuesday, if MIN finished ahead of PHX, a perfect trade is MIN's first for PHX's two firsts and #34. I would prefer a pure 5, but if Thibs thinks that's KAT, then something like Sabonnis/Poeltl/Bentil. I think Bentil is there at #34.

Sidenote: I noticed a lot of you prefer Draftexpress over nbadraftdotnet. Really? Sabonnis at #18? Bentil at #52?

Let me see if I understand what you are saying. In order for us to finish ahead of Phoenix, we need to win the lottery, so let's assume we move up to 3rd and they move down to 5th. I think you are then suggesting we trade them pick #3 for their picks 13, 28 and 34. You asked if there is an NBA valuation of draft picks like there is in the NFL...here is the one I use:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2740

The value of the 4th pick is 50.8, and the value of 13, 28 and 34 is 53.6...so just going by that, this is a fair trade that the Wolves slightly win. I think the depth of this trade makes it even a better deal for the Wolves. The Suns might do it because the prospect of having the 3rd and 5th picks sounds very attractive.

Some will argue that the Wolves don't need three more rookies, and that's a valid argument. But we do have roster room and the DLeague is available for rookies not expecting much court time. Bender would be the most likely pick at 3, and he is intriguing to say the least. But I like even more the value of drafting Valentine, LeVert (6'7" SG who made 46% of his 3's) and Bentil...three guys who appear NBA-ready and provide needed depth at three positions.

If I understand Jason's proposed trade, I'm in favor.

Actually, MIN just has to land in the top 3 and PHX land outside the top 3. So MIN could be 1,2, or 3, and PHX be at 5. I meant something like #3 for #5/#13/#34. And it's not impossible to think PHX might do that, considering most of the people posting on the subject thinks MIN is getting the shaft in that deal.

I would also like to say that if #13/#28/#34 is worth more than #5, than we should never have a post/thread again about how MIN needs to give away a pick (ANY PICK) to get rid of contract X. I would have never guessed that.

I wasn't singling you out Strange, or really anyone else. I am just really surprised that in this draft with no sure things almost everyone is against trading a top 3 pick for #5 and #13.

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:I would loves to trade down and get McGaw/Valentine and Sabonis. Sabonis seem like a guy that will just out produce everyone.

-This set of measurements include our first official data on UNLV's Patrick McCaw. One of the more under the radar prospects in college basketball, McCaw measured 6'6.75 in shoes with a 6'10 wingspan and a 181-pound frame. The talented sophomore has sensational size for a two guard. As his frame matures he could conceivably fill in at both wing positions down the road. Other notable players popping up in our measurements listing for the first time include Ben Bentil, who measured 6'8.25 in shoes with a 7'1.5 wingspan at just under 230 pounds, and DeAndre Bembry, who stands 6'5.75 in shoes with a 6'9.25 wingspan at 207 pounds.

Ix-nay on the ade-trey own-dey alk-tey. The board's not ready to admit that Auerbach did the right thing getting Parrish and Mchale for Joe Barry Carroll, so they're can't be ready to admit that maybe Ingram doesn't make the Hall of Fame.

On Tuesday, if MIN finished ahead of PHX, a perfect trade is MIN's first for PHX's two firsts and #34. I would prefer a pure 5, but if Thibs thinks that's KAT, then something like Sabonnis/Poeltl/Bentil. I think Bentil is there at #34.

Sidenote: I noticed a lot of you prefer Draftexpress over nbadraftdotnet. Really? Sabonnis at #18? Bentil at #52?

Let me see if I understand what you are saying. In order for us to finish ahead of Phoenix, we need to win the lottery, so let's assume we move up to 3rd and they move down to 5th. I think you are then suggesting we trade them pick #3 for their picks 13, 28 and 34. You asked if there is an NBA valuation of draft picks like there is in the NFL...here is the one I use:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2740

The value of the 4th pick is 50.8, and the value of 13, 28 and 34 is 53.6...so just going by that, this is a fair trade that the Wolves slightly win. I think the depth of this trade makes it even a better deal for the Wolves. The Suns might do it because the prospect of having the 3rd and 5th picks sounds very attractive.

Some will argue that the Wolves don't need three more rookies, and that's a valid argument. But we do have roster room and the DLeague is available for rookies not expecting much court time. Bender would be the most likely pick at 3, and he is intriguing to say the least. But I like even more the value of drafting Valentine, LeVert (6'7" SG who made 46% of his 3's) and Bentil...three guys who appear NBA-ready and provide needed depth at three positions.

If I understand Jason's proposed trade, I'm in favor.

Actually, MIN just has to land in the top 3 and PHX land outside the top 3. So MIN could be 1,2, or 3, and PHX be at 5. I meant something like #3 for #5/#13/#34. And it's not impossible to think PHX might do that, considering most of the people posting on the subject thinks MIN is getting the shaft in that deal.

I would also like to say that if #13/#28/#34 is worth more than #5, than we should never have a post/thread again about how MIN needs to give away a pick (ANY PICK) to get rid of contract X. I would have never guessed that.

I wasn't singling you out Strange, or really anyone else. I am just really surprised that in this draft with no sure things almost everyone is against trading a top 3 pick for #5 and #13.

Ha, if Thibs were able to trade #3 for 5, 13 and 34, the NBA would have to retire the Executive of the Year award and just call it the Thibs Award from now on! No GM in the league is going to give up a lottery pick and an early second rounder just to move up 2 spots in the draft...especially in a draft with so many question marks throughout. And who are the posters here who wouldn't trade #3 for #5 and #13?

longstrangetrip wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:I would loves to trade down and get McGaw/Valentine and Sabonis. Sabonis seem like a guy that will just out produce everyone.

-This set of measurements include our first official data on UNLV's Patrick McCaw. One of the more under the radar prospects in college basketball, McCaw measured 6'6.75 in shoes with a 6'10 wingspan and a 181-pound frame. The talented sophomore has sensational size for a two guard. As his frame matures he could conceivably fill in at both wing positions down the road. Other notable players popping up in our measurements listing for the first time include Ben Bentil, who measured 6'8.25 in shoes with a 7'1.5 wingspan at just under 230 pounds, and DeAndre Bembry, who stands 6'5.75 in shoes with a 6'9.25 wingspan at 207 pounds.

Ix-nay on the ade-trey own-dey alk-tey. The board's not ready to admit that Auerbach did the right thing getting Parrish and Mchale for Joe Barry Carroll, so they're can't be ready to admit that maybe Ingram doesn't make the Hall of Fame.

On Tuesday, if MIN finished ahead of PHX, a perfect trade is MIN's first for PHX's two firsts and #34. I would prefer a pure 5, but if Thibs thinks that's KAT, then something like Sabonnis/Poeltl/Bentil. I think Bentil is there at #34.

Sidenote: I noticed a lot of you prefer Draftexpress over nbadraftdotnet. Really? Sabonnis at #18? Bentil at #52?

Let me see if I understand what you are saying. In order for us to finish ahead of Phoenix, we need to win the lottery, so let's assume we move up to 3rd and they move down to 5th. I think you are then suggesting we trade them pick #3 for their picks 13, 28 and 34. You asked if there is an NBA valuation of draft picks like there is in the NFL...here is the one I use:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2740

The value of the 4th pick is 50.8, and the value of 13, 28 and 34 is 53.6...so just going by that, this is a fair trade that the Wolves slightly win. I think the depth of this trade makes it even a better deal for the Wolves. The Suns might do it because the prospect of having the 3rd and 5th picks sounds very attractive.

Some will argue that the Wolves don't need three more rookies, and that's a valid argument. But we do have roster room and the DLeague is available for rookies not expecting much court time. Bender would be the most likely pick at 3, and he is intriguing to say the least. But I like even more the value of drafting Valentine, LeVert (6'7" SG who made 46% of his 3's) and Bentil...three guys who appear NBA-ready and provide needed depth at three positions.

If I understand Jason's proposed trade, I'm in favor.

Actually, MIN just has to land in the top 3 and PHX land outside the top 3. So MIN could be 1,2, or 3, and PHX be at 5. I meant something like #3 for #5/#13/#34. And it's not impossible to think PHX might do that, considering most of the people posting on the subject thinks MIN is getting the shaft in that deal.

I would also like to say that if #13/#28/#34 is worth more than #5, than we should never have a post/thread again about how MIN needs to give away a pick (ANY PICK) to get rid of contract X. I would have never guessed that.

I wasn't singling you out Strange, or really anyone else. I am just really surprised that in this draft with no sure things almost everyone is against trading a top 3 pick for #5 and #13.

Ha, if Thibs were able to trade #3 for 5, 13 and 34, the NBA would have to retire the Executive of the Year award and just call it the Thibs Award from now on! No GM in the league is going to give up a lottery pick and an early second rounder just to move up 2 spots in the draft...especially in a draft with so many question marks throughout. And who are the posters here who wouldn't trade #3 for #5 and #13?

I don't remember the thread, but I suggested that MIN may be able to do a trade with their top 3 pick for PHX's 5 and 13, or their #5 pick for DEN's lottery pick and 15, or their #5 pick for BOS's lottery pick and 16. I might have even suggested that they look at their "What would Rick Spielmann do?" bracelets. I was told the NBA is not like the NFL and that the only players who have ever made an all-star team and/or hall of fame were drafted in the top three and if Ben Simmons goes #1 the law states he must have a great career like Olawakandi, Shawn Bradley, and Laettner did.

SameOldDrew wrote:Who knows what could happen, but most likely we have the 5, 6, or maybe the 7 pick, with a chance at cracking the top 3.

Ellensen looks good, but pretty redundant with the offense we have, don't you guys think? He's supposed to be weak defensively, and that's just not what we need.

Poeltl? I know he's not a very sexy choice, but he's supposed to be solid defensively, and a legit 7 footer with some size. Could allow KAT to play more 4, which has its pros and cons.

Outside of Simmons, Ingram, and Hield, there's not much to get excited about in this draft. This is why throwing this pick in with Bazz (or Tyus if we can get a really good two-way backup PG) to get a legit player might be a good idea.

I think if all the young players on the Wolves roster hit some sort of realitive ceiling all the way down to Tyus being a top level backup PG like a Cory Joseph then Poeltl could be a guy that makes as much sense as anyone giving the Wolves a legit center to put with everyone. The question though is can you get one of those type of guys in FA or as a 2nd rounder or an international by either picking them in the 2nd round or niter national FA? Idk like it's been said here a couple times it seems finding elite shooting is hard to get and a couple guys in this draft project to have that skill set.

longstrangetrip wrote:http://www.startribune.com/bentil-s-defense-catches-wolves-eye/379293841/

I found this morning's article in the Strib about Ben Bentil to be interesting for several reasons. First of all, I didn't know much about him before reading this article, but he sounds like a very good prospect. And the fact that a PF with an NBA-ready body who averaged 21 and 8 on 46% shooting, and is a plus defender with 3-point range, is slated to go late in the first round at best, tells me a lot about the depth of this draft. Combine that depth with the disagreement among us here about the quality of the players at the top of the lottery, and trading pick 4-7 for a couple later first rounders seems like a prudent move.

I also found it intriguing that Zgoda focused on this one recruit, and that Thibs also spent some time with him. I like Thibs work ethic and thoroughness in approaching this draft, and while he may just be keeping his options open, interviewing a lower-tier candidate like Bentil may signal that he is leaning toward trading our pick.

I'm not sure I should read into anything of Thibs or any guy leading an NBA franchise working with meeting working out or whatever prospects at every level of the draft pool other than they are doing their job. If they aren't doing it I have a real problem with that. I think Flip (and other basketball people) have said part of this draft process is doing homework for maybe making a move or bringing in a guy in FA or a trade or whatever. Do as much homework on a guy as you possibly can when you can. Sure Thibs and the Wolves should get credit for doing this due dillegence but Like I said it's their job. I hope Thibs and Layden are more aggressive finding ways to add young talent to the roster in anyway possible than we have seen the last few years when it seems like too often the Wolves were too hesitant to just add a young player even if it meant having a really young roster. Get that damn D-league going, pick more international stash guys, take another young player or 2 if you really like him and trust your coaching staff to develop them.

To Thibs credit if he really did like Draymond Green and Dieng you wonder if he will try and make a move to add a pick for another young player in the 2nd round or something like that. It seems possible going into the draft Glen has his blank checks ready instead of polishing up his piggy bank.