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Jester1534 wrote:Think it might be Minnesota Twins time for me

Still have hope for the Wild, and I'm a big Bucks fan too. I love baseball and the Twins, but until MLB figures out a way to level the playing field a bit, it's hard for me to get too excited. I wish the 20 small-mid sized markets would break off and create their own league. It would be great if the size of your local television deal didn't dictate your ability to compete.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:I've always been against trading KAT. Unlike Cool, I think this team can be a contender with KAT provided that Edwards becomes the star we're all hoping he'll be. But I'm beginning to think the only path for this team is to trade both KAT and Gobert after this season for picks and talented young players for something approaching a rebuild.

Still not sure I'm there yet as I still favor just trading Gobert. But if we really want to get meaningful talent and picks back, trading Gobert might not be enough.

I'm still very much on the Karl-Anthony Towns wagon. Towns remains an elite offensive player and his game is extremely complimentary to Anthony Edwards'. Throw Jaden McDaniels in there and one or two others and that's the core of this current roster moving forward.

I'd look to trade both Rudy Gobert and Mike Conley Jr. this summer for younger, more dynamic talent even if unproven or risky. Re-sign Naz Reid and Nickeil Alexander-Walker as well.

I'd like to trade Rudy as well, but I just don't think it's realistic. TC is not going to cut his own throat like that. The guys who hated the Gobert trade from the beginning have been proven right, it was a bad move given the other options out there. I always thought it was too much to give up, but I had hopes it would make us a contender. Well I can't see that happening now so the whole thing stinks. KAT would get our draft capital back and hopefully a really good starter as well. I understand those who don't want to move on from him, but before you blink he's going to be 30 and still not accomplished anything in this league. We will probably stay the course, but if you really want to inject some life into the organization, trading KAT would be the move. The new owners might be looking to do something like that.

Trading KAT in effect makes you the Nets (and I'll continue to hammer this point home: KAT is at best getting you 2 unprotected picks: He has FOUR things working against him:)

1. He's on a super max, so some teams will think he's highly overpaid.

2. He's become injury prone.

3. Players don't like his game because they think he's soft, so teams don't view him as some piece that puts them over the top the way Cleveland viewed Mitchell or Phoenix viewed KD or how we viewed Gobert.

4. Players don't like KAT as a person.

That's all working against us (It's amazing how we had 3 of the 15 most hated players in the league on the same team at the same time in Rudy, D'Lo and KAT). So, as I may have brought up in another thread, when the best offer we'll get is RJ Barrett, Obi Toppin, Evan Fournier, 2 Knick 1's and 2 heavily protected 1's that become 2's, it's gonna be really painful watching this board prop up what we got back.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Jester1534 wrote:Think it might be Minnesota Twins time for me

Still have hope for the Wild, and I'm a big Bucks fan too. I love baseball and the Twins, but until MLB figures out a way to level the playing field a bit, it's hard for me to get too excited. I wish the 20 small-mid sized markets would break off and create their own league. It would be great if the size of your local television deal didn't dictate your ability to compete.

As a Yankee fan, all we want is to clean house from ownership on down because they refuse to go the extra mile to win.

Everyone wants to give Kat more time with Ant. How about we give more time for Gobert to play with both of them

I would think OKC would give us more than 2 1sts for KAT. I still think he has quite a bit of value, but the window is closing for sure.

WildWolf2813 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Jester1534 wrote:Think it might be Minnesota Twins time for me

Still have hope for the Wild, and I'm a big Bucks fan too. I love baseball and the Twins, but until MLB figures out a way to level the playing field a bit, it's hard for me to get too excited. I wish the 20 small-mid sized markets would break off and create their own league. It would be great if the size of your local television deal didn't dictate your ability to compete.

As a Yankee fan, all we want is to clean house from ownership on down because they refuse to go the extra mile to win.

You're spoiled. It's hard to fathom you actually think they aren't spending enough. Regardless, their championships don't really mean anything anyway. Neither do any the Dodgers or Red Sox get. When the Twins won in '87 and '91, it actually meant something. When/If the Yankees ever win again it just means it was their turn. It would be more of a relief than a joy. Fuck MLB, fuck Marvin Miller, fuck ESPN, and fuck Andy Messersmith.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Jester1534 wrote:Think it might be Minnesota Twins time for me

Still have hope for the Wild, and I'm a big Bucks fan too. I love baseball and the Twins, but until MLB figures out a way to level the playing field a bit, it's hard for me to get too excited. I wish the 20 small-mid sized markets would break off and create their own league. It would be great if the size of your local television deal didn't dictate your ability to compete.

As a Yankee fan, all we want is to clean house from ownership on down because they refuse to go the extra mile to win.

You're spoiled. It's hard to fathom you actually think they aren't spending enough. Regardless, their championships don't really mean anything anyway. Neither do any the Dodgers or Red Sox get. When the Twins won in '87 and '91, it actually meant something. When/If the Yankees ever win again it just means it was their turn. It would be more of a relief than a joy. Fuck MLB, fuck Marvin Miller, fuck ESPN, and fuck Andy Messersmith.

Truth be told, they're not spending any more than they did 20 years ago and they're not even doing it wisely. Two former Twins (Hicks and Donaldson) and emblematic of the problems this franchise has. I wish they'd actually have some faith in their minor league and let them play with no restrictions but Cashman operates very afraid now and ownership just doesn't wanna spend the luxury tax too long. It doesn't help matters that Steve Cohen owns the team across town and evokes fond memories of Steinbrenner and has the Mets set up to be what the Yankees used to be.

I need them to win. I root for the Timberwolves and Jets, where winning a championship isn't a realistic goal. Rangers at least could still conceivably get one and my soccer team won a year ago, but they just dove headfirst into rebuild mode. Clearly I'm ready for baseball.

PorkChop wrote:Everyone wants to give Kat more time with Ant. How about we give more time for Gobert to play with both of them

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm less inclined to give Rudy Gobert another season because of his individual play and stranglehold on the cap. If we're being honest, we can admit that he's already on a serious decline and his supermax will become even more of an anchor than it currently is. Get what value you can for him and keep building with what's left over, which is still an attractive core.

Anthony Edwards is an ascending star player. Karl-Anthony Towns is still a star player in the midst of his prime. Gobert is no longer in that category for me even on the defensive end. He's become just good, which is far from the dominant defensive force he was just a year or two ago, and the purpose he was acquired for. They needed him to remain elite or near-elite for this mess to have championship potential.

Simply, the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.

Camden wrote:

PorkChop wrote:Everyone wants to give Kat more time with Ant. How about we give more time for Gobert to play with both of them

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm less inclined to give Rudy Gobert another season because of his individual play and stranglehold on the cap. If we're being honest, we can admit that he's already on a serious decline and his supermax will become even more of an anchor than it currently is. Get what value you can for him and keep building with what's left over, which is still an attractive core.

Anthony Edwards is an ascending star player. Karl-Anthony Towns is still a star player in the midst of his prime. Gobert is no longer in that category for me even on the defensive end. He's become just good, which is far from the dominant defensive force he was just a year or two ago, and the purpose he was acquired for. They needed him to remain elite or near-elite for this mess to have championship potential.

Simply, the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.

I agree with your points, but do you really think TC will do that? He might as well resign if he did because he would surely be fired.

Camden wrote:

PorkChop wrote:Everyone wants to give Kat more time with Ant. How about we give more time for Gobert to play with both of them

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm less inclined to give Rudy Gobert another season because of his individual play and stranglehold on the cap. If we're being honest, we can admit that he's already on a serious decline and his supermax will become even more of an anchor than it currently is. Get what value you can for him and keep building with what's left over, which is still an attractive core.

Anthony Edwards is an ascending star player. Karl-Anthony Towns is still a star player in the midst of his prime. Gobert is no longer in that category for me even on the defensive end. He's become just good, which is far from the dominant defensive force he was just a year or two ago, and the purpose he was acquired for. They needed him to remain elite or near-elite for this mess to have championship potential.

Simply, the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.

Even so, there's less of a tolerance for Rudy because we don't like Rudy as a player or as a person. Rudy until he's off the team is the on court representation of Connelly, so while Connelly is hiding under a desk somewhere, Rudy has to take every bullet meant for Connelly. He's the whipping boy that D'Lo used to be.

and for someone who is against vaccines he has the immune system of a newborn with all his "illnesses."