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Camden wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:I don't think going this small with Towns as your only big to rebound is going to go well at all in the Western Conference. As is I think this team is fighting for 10th and if there are any issues with Towns the season is just chalked. Too many one way players. The minutes are just gonna be awkward and will take a long time to find the right combination with this many guys playing similar roles. I'm trying real hard to think of the right combinations that are going to make this team good on a consistent basis and the only thing I can come up with is if Edwards comes in and is a go-to scorer in a way that we have 3 guys we can rely on to fill that role on a nightly basis. That's about my only point of potential optimism with this team right now. If we're closing games out with Russell/Beasley/Edwards/Juan/Towns I just don't know how they stop anyone.

I just think it's amusing how this front office pounds the table over analytics and being forward-thinking, but they're intentionally ignoring that rebounding differential, rim protection, points in the paint, and second chance points are all areas that make a big difference in winning games and this team is going to be awful at them. We're basically rolling out undersized players at every position besides center and conceding those categories. The whole "pace and space" concept doesn't work like Gersson Rosas wants it to if you're constantly getting out-rebounded and taking the ball from out of bounds because the opposition just scored.

Camden wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:I don't think going this small with Towns as your only big to rebound is going to go well at all in the Western Conference. As is I think this team is fighting for 10th and if there are any issues with Towns the season is just chalked. Too many one way players. The minutes are just gonna be awkward and will take a long time to find the right combination with this many guys playing similar roles. I'm trying real hard to think of the right combinations that are going to make this team good on a consistent basis and the only thing I can come up with is if Edwards comes in and is a go-to scorer in a way that we have 3 guys we can rely on to fill that role on a nightly basis. That's about my only point of potential optimism with this team right now. If we're closing games out with Russell/Beasley/Edwards/Juan/Towns I just don't know how they stop anyone.

I just think it's amusing how this front office pounds the table over analytics and being forward-thinking, but they're intentionally ignoring that rebounding differential, rim protection, points in the paint, and second chance points are all areas that make a big difference in winning games and this team is going to be awful at them. We're basically rolling out undersized players at every position besides center and conceding those categories. The whole "pace and space" concept doesn't work like Gersson Rosas wants it to if you're constantly getting out-rebounded and taking the ball from out of bounds because the opposition just scored.

monsterpile wrote:

Camden wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:I don't think going this small with Towns as your only big to rebound is going to go well at all in the Western Conference. As is I think this team is fighting for 10th and if there are any issues with Towns the season is just chalked. Too many one way players. The minutes are just gonna be awkward and will take a long time to find the right combination with this many guys playing similar roles. I'm trying real hard to think of the right combinations that are going to make this team good on a consistent basis and the only thing I can come up with is if Edwards comes in and is a go-to scorer in a way that we have 3 guys we can rely on to fill that role on a nightly basis. That's about my only point of potential optimism with this team right now. If we're closing games out with Russell/Beasley/Edwards/Juan/Towns I just don't know how they stop anyone.

I just think it's amusing how this front office pounds the table over analytics and being forward-thinking, but they're intentionally ignoring that rebounding differential, rim protection, points in the paint, and second chance points are all areas that make a big difference in winning games and this team is going to be awful at them. We're basically rolling out undersized players at every position besides center and conceding those categories. The whole "pace and space" concept doesn't work like Gersson Rosas wants it to if you're constantly getting out-rebounded and taking the ball from out of bounds because the opposition just scored.

I generally agree with what you are getting at here but something to consider:

Vanderbilt is the guy that in theory brings what is lacking on the roster from the PF spot at least in the rebounding dept based on his numbers in college and G-league. I like the guy but I absolutely need to see something legit from him at the NBA level for at least like 10 games before I really start buying in on that hope.

Also Juancho at PF isn't undersized...not saying I'm a believer in him as a starter.

So lets say they play Vanderbilt and Juancho a chunk of the minutes at PF. They aren't undersized. Undertalented? Yes but not really undersized. Rim protection? lol no.

Russell and Rubio are above average in size as PGs. They aren't undersized if they share the guard spots.

Camden0916 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Camden wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:I don't think going this small with Towns as your only big to rebound is going to go well at all in the Western Conference. As is I think this team is fighting for 10th and if there are any issues with Towns the season is just chalked. Too many one way players. The minutes are just gonna be awkward and will take a long time to find the right combination with this many guys playing similar roles. I'm trying real hard to think of the right combinations that are going to make this team good on a consistent basis and the only thing I can come up with is if Edwards comes in and is a go-to scorer in a way that we have 3 guys we can rely on to fill that role on a nightly basis. That's about my only point of potential optimism with this team right now. If we're closing games out with Russell/Beasley/Edwards/Juan/Towns I just don't know how they stop anyone.

I just think it's amusing how this front office pounds the table over analytics and being forward-thinking, but they're intentionally ignoring that rebounding differential, rim protection, points in the paint, and second chance points are all areas that make a big difference in winning games and this team is going to be awful at them. We're basically rolling out undersized players at every position besides center and conceding those categories. The whole "pace and space" concept doesn't work like Gersson Rosas wants it to if you're constantly getting out-rebounded and taking the ball from out of bounds because the opposition just scored.

I generally agree with what you are getting at here but something to consider:

Vanderbilt is the guy that in theory brings what is lacking on the roster from the PF spot at least in the rebounding dept based on his numbers in college and G-league. I like the guy but I absolutely need to see something legit from him at the NBA level for at least like 10 games before I really start buying in on that hope.

Also Juancho at PF isn't undersized...not saying I'm a believer in him as a starter.

So lets say they play Vanderbilt and Juancho a chunk of the minutes at PF. They aren't undersized. Undertalented? Yes but not really undersized. Rim protection? lol no.

Russell and Rubio are above average in size as PGs. They aren't undersized if they share the guard spots.

Good teams aren't relying on G-League stars to wake up one day and everything click. While they may find hidden gems now and then, there's almost always a more stable option ahead of them.

Hernangomez is 6'9, 214-pounds -- emphasis being on 214-pounds. That's undersized. He gets moved around way too easily. Vanderbilt is listed at 6'9, 214-pounds also, which is again undersized. I'm hopeful that Vanderbilt has added good weight this off-season as he does look bigger to me, but my point still stands for now.

Our 19-year old number one pick is 230 for comparison. Josh Okogie is 213 and is five inches shorter. Come on now.

Camden0916 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Camden wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:I don't think going this small with Towns as your only big to rebound is going to go well at all in the Western Conference. As is I think this team is fighting for 10th and if there are any issues with Towns the season is just chalked. Too many one way players. The minutes are just gonna be awkward and will take a long time to find the right combination with this many guys playing similar roles. I'm trying real hard to think of the right combinations that are going to make this team good on a consistent basis and the only thing I can come up with is if Edwards comes in and is a go-to scorer in a way that we have 3 guys we can rely on to fill that role on a nightly basis. That's about my only point of potential optimism with this team right now. If we're closing games out with Russell/Beasley/Edwards/Juan/Towns I just don't know how they stop anyone.

I just think it's amusing how this front office pounds the table over analytics and being forward-thinking, but they're intentionally ignoring that rebounding differential, rim protection, points in the paint, and second chance points are all areas that make a big difference in winning games and this team is going to be awful at them. We're basically rolling out undersized players at every position besides center and conceding those categories. The whole "pace and space" concept doesn't work like Gersson Rosas wants it to if you're constantly getting out-rebounded and taking the ball from out of bounds because the opposition just scored.

I generally agree with what you are getting at here but something to consider:

Vanderbilt is the guy that in theory brings what is lacking on the roster from the PF spot at least in the rebounding dept based on his numbers in college and G-league. I like the guy but I absolutely need to see something legit from him at the NBA level for at least like 10 games before I really start buying in on that hope.

Also Juancho at PF isn't undersized...not saying I'm a believer in him as a starter.

So lets say they play Vanderbilt and Juancho a chunk of the minutes at PF. They aren't undersized. Undertalented? Yes but not really undersized. Rim protection? lol no.

Russell and Rubio are above average in size as PGs. They aren't undersized if they share the guard spots.

Good teams aren't relying on G-League stars to wake up one day and everything click. While they may find hidden gems now and then, there's almost always a more stable option ahead of them.

Hernangomez is 6'9, 214-pounds -- emphasis being on 214-pounds. That's undersized. He gets moved around way too easily. Vanderbilt is listed at 6'9, 214-pounds also, which is again undersized. I'm hopeful that Vanderbilt has added good weight this off-season as he does look bigger to me, but my point still stands for now.

Our 19-year old number one pick is 230 for comparison. Josh Okogie is 213 and is five inches shorter. Come on now.

WildWolf2813 wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Camden wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:I don't think going this small with Towns as your only big to rebound is going to go well at all in the Western Conference. As is I think this team is fighting for 10th and if there are any issues with Towns the season is just chalked. Too many one way players. The minutes are just gonna be awkward and will take a long time to find the right combination with this many guys playing similar roles. I'm trying real hard to think of the right combinations that are going to make this team good on a consistent basis and the only thing I can come up with is if Edwards comes in and is a go-to scorer in a way that we have 3 guys we can rely on to fill that role on a nightly basis. That's about my only point of potential optimism with this team right now. If we're closing games out with Russell/Beasley/Edwards/Juan/Towns I just don't know how they stop anyone.

I just think it's amusing how this front office pounds the table over analytics and being forward-thinking, but they're intentionally ignoring that rebounding differential, rim protection, points in the paint, and second chance points are all areas that make a big difference in winning games and this team is going to be awful at them. We're basically rolling out undersized players at every position besides center and conceding those categories. The whole "pace and space" concept doesn't work like Gersson Rosas wants it to if you're constantly getting out-rebounded and taking the ball from out of bounds because the opposition just scored.

I generally agree with what you are getting at here but something to consider:

Vanderbilt is the guy that in theory brings what is lacking on the roster from the PF spot at least in the rebounding dept based on his numbers in college and G-league. I like the guy but I absolutely need to see something legit from him at the NBA level for at least like 10 games before I really start buying in on that hope.

Also Juancho at PF isn't undersized...not saying I'm a believer in him as a starter.

So lets say they play Vanderbilt and Juancho a chunk of the minutes at PF. They aren't undersized. Undertalented? Yes but not really undersized. Rim protection? lol no.

Russell and Rubio are above average in size as PGs. They aren't undersized if they share the guard spots.

Good teams aren't relying on G-League stars to wake up one day and everything click. While they may find hidden gems now and then, there's almost always a more stable option ahead of them.

Hernangomez is 6'9, 214-pounds -- emphasis being on 214-pounds. That's undersized. He gets moved around way too easily. Vanderbilt is listed at 6'9, 214-pounds also, which is again undersized. I'm hopeful that Vanderbilt has added good weight this off-season as he does look bigger to me, but my point still stands for now.

Our 19-year old number one pick is 230 for comparison. Josh Okogie is 213 and is five inches shorter. Come on now.

You're in luck. This isn't a good team and nothing was gonna change that this winter. If the plan is give Vanderbilt time to see if his G-League performance translates, fine. He makes $1.8 mil and is younger than Culver and Okogie. For a team that will undoubtedly suck this year, giving Vanderbilt an opportunity to develop (in what is obviously another developmental season) isn't a horror story unless there's no reason to believe he'll ever produce (and in that case he shouldn't be on the roster, even as insurance)