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Re: DLO
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:11 pm
by worldK
KiwiMatt wrote:The question is:
Would you be willing to include a 1st round pick (lottery protected) in order to move Teague and/or Dieng to clear the capspace to sign D Lo?
Who do you trade dieng to? Its easy to think we can dump him by attaching a lotto protected 1st, but who will realistically take him?
Horford, vucevic, favors, lopez brothers, jordan, gasol brothers, valanciunis, cousins, WCS, ed davis and kanter are all available. Half of them can be signed for less than 15m and some might take 1 year deals. Clint capela is being shopped now as a salary dump. I will have most of them than dieng.
If we can clear teague and dieng and a lotto protected 1st for cap space to sign dlo,Im all for it. But dieng is such a negative now that it is easier said than done.
Re: DLO
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:26 pm
by crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]
Some are saying it will be a sign and trade to the suns.
Re: DLO
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:37 pm
by TheGrey08
Camden wrote:KiwiMatt wrote:The question is:
Would you be willing to include a 1st round pick (lottery protected) in order to move Teague and/or Dieng to clear the capspace to sign D Lo?
Every day and twice on Sundays.
Teague AND Dieng, absolutely without a doubt. Teague alone would not require sending out a 1st because he has positive value.
Re: DLO
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:08 pm
by KiwiMatt
worldK wrote:KiwiMatt wrote:The question is:
Would you be willing to include a 1st round pick (lottery protected) in order to move Teague and/or Dieng to clear the capspace to sign D Lo?
Who do you trade dieng to? Its easy to think we can dump him by attaching a lotto protected 1st, but who will realistically take him?
Horford, vucevic, favors, lopez brothers, jordan, gasol brothers, valanciunis, cousins, WCS, ed davis and kanter are all available. Half of them can be signed for less than 15m and some might take 1 year deals. Clint capela is being shopped now as a salary dump. I will have most of them than dieng.
If we can clear teague and dieng and a lotto protected 1st for cap space to sign dlo,Im all for it. But dieng is such a negative now that it is easier said than done.
Camden wrote:KiwiMatt wrote:The question is:
Would you be willing to include a 1st round pick (lottery protected) in order to move Teague and/or Dieng to clear the capspace to sign D Lo?
Every day and twice on Sundays.
There's only a couple of teams I can think of that could be willing to take on Dieng and Teague. Cleveland and Atlanta. Possibly Orlando or Phoenix if they miss out on the FA sweepstakes.
Cleveland would be my choice as they have JR Smiths partially guaranteed contract. We might have to take John Henson back but he has a 10 mil expiring contract and would be a handy player to have backing up KAT.
MIN OUT: Jeff Teague (19 mil expiring), Gorgui Dieng (15mil), 2020 1st pick (lottery protected) = 34 mil
MIN IN: JR smith (15 mil but only 4 guaranteed) and John Henson (10 mil) = 14 mil
That trade would allow us to clear 20 mil of cap space. After paying DLO an estimate 25 mil a season that wouldn't leave us much to round out the roster. Although I think we would still have the MLE and BLE to sign decent role players. Maybe Tyus and Taj would come back on those type of deals.
PG - Russell, Jones, Terrell (2 way)
SG - Culver, Okogie, Nowell
SF - Wiggins, Bates Diop, Reynolds
PF - Covington, Gibson
C - Towns, Henson, Reid (2 way)
Re: DLO
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:19 pm
by Monster
Let's say there is a team out there that doesn't want to make the Wolves pay up for Wiggins(Since Lowe reported the possibility on JK Redicks podcast) ...a man can dream... What about a sign and trade 2nd rounder to nets, Russell to the Wolves and Wiggins to the Kings if Barnes doesn't resign? That would work in theory right?
FWIW WCS is going to be available.
Re: DLO
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:31 pm
by Lipoli390
KiwiMatt wrote:worldK wrote:KiwiMatt wrote:The question is:
Would you be willing to include a 1st round pick (lottery protected) in order to move Teague and/or Dieng to clear the capspace to sign D Lo?
Who do you trade dieng to? Its easy to think we can dump him by attaching a lotto protected 1st, but who will realistically take him?
Horford, vucevic, favors, lopez brothers, jordan, gasol brothers, valanciunis, cousins, WCS, ed davis and kanter are all available. Half of them can be signed for less than 15m and some might take 1 year deals. Clint capela is being shopped now as a salary dump. I will have most of them than dieng.
If we can clear teague and dieng and a lotto protected 1st for cap space to sign dlo,Im all for it. But dieng is such a negative now that it is easier said than done.
Camden wrote:KiwiMatt wrote:The question is:
Would you be willing to include a 1st round pick (lottery protected) in order to move Teague and/or Dieng to clear the capspace to sign D Lo?
Every day and twice on Sundays.
There's only a couple of teams I can think of that could be willing to take on Dieng and Teague. Cleveland and Atlanta. Possibly Orlando or Phoenix if they miss out on the FA sweepstakes.
Cleveland would be my choice as they have JR Smiths partially guaranteed contract. We might have to take John Henson back but he has a 10 mil expiring contract and would be a handy player to have backing up KAT.
MIN OUT: Jeff Teague (19 mil expiring), Gorgui Dieng (15mil), 2020 1st pick (lottery protected) = 34 mil
MIN IN: JR smith (15 mil but only 4 guaranteed) and John Henson (10 mil) = 14 mil
That trade would allow us to clear 20 mil of cap space. After paying DLO an estimate 25 mil a season that wouldn't leave us much to round out the roster. Although I think we would still have the MLE and BLE to sign decent role players. Maybe Tyus and Taj would come back on those type of deals.
PG - Russell, Jones, Terrell (2 way)
SG - Culver, Okogie, Nowell
SF - Wiggins, Bates Diop, Reynolds
PF - Covington, Gibson
C - Towns, Henson, Reid (2 way)
I can't see the Cavs any interest in Teague or Dieng. They are beginning a rebuild. They have two really talented you PGs in Sexton and Garland and have no need for Gorgui and the two years left on his bloated contract. Trading for Teague and Gorgui at the beginning of a rebuild is the sort of thing the Timberwolves would do. If they're smart, the Cavs will give nearly all their PG minutes to Sexton and Garland because that's how you develop young talent with high upside when you're starting a rebuild. Now maybe the Cavs front office is as dumb as previous Wolves front offices, but I don't think so. If anything, I see the Cavs trying to deal Kevin Love.
Re: DLO
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:32 pm
by worldK
KiwiMatt wrote:worldK wrote:KiwiMatt wrote:The question is:
Would you be willing to include a 1st round pick (lottery protected) in order to move Teague and/or Dieng to clear the capspace to sign D Lo?
Who do you trade dieng to? Its easy to think we can dump him by attaching a lotto protected 1st, but who will realistically take him?
Horford, vucevic, favors, lopez brothers, jordan, gasol brothers, valanciunis, cousins, WCS, ed davis and kanter are all available. Half of them can be signed for less than 15m and some might take 1 year deals. Clint capela is being shopped now as a salary dump. I will have most of them than dieng.
If we can clear teague and dieng and a lotto protected 1st for cap space to sign dlo,Im all for it. But dieng is such a negative now that it is easier said than done.
Camden wrote:KiwiMatt wrote:The question is:
Would you be willing to include a 1st round pick (lottery protected) in order to move Teague and/or Dieng to clear the capspace to sign D Lo?
Every day and twice on Sundays.
There's only a couple of teams I can think of that could be willing to take on Dieng and Teague. Cleveland and Atlanta. Possibly Orlando or Phoenix if they miss out on the FA sweepstakes.
Cleveland would be my choice as they have JR Smiths partially guaranteed contract. We might have to take John Henson back but he has a 10 mil expiring contract and would be a handy player to have backing up KAT.
MIN OUT: Jeff Teague (19 mil expiring), Gorgui Dieng (15mil), 2020 1st pick (lottery protected) = 34 mil
MIN IN: JR smith (15 mil but only 4 guaranteed) and John Henson (10 mil) = 14 mil
That trade would allow us to clear 20 mil of cap space. After paying DLO an estimate 25 mil a season that wouldn't leave us much to round out the roster. Although I think we would still have the MLE and BLE to sign decent role players. Maybe Tyus and Taj would come back on those type of deals.
PG - Russell, Jones, Terrell (2 way)
SG - Culver, Okogie, Nowell
SF - Wiggins, Bates Diop, Reynolds
PF - Covington, Gibson
C - Towns, Henson, Reid (2 way)
Kiwi, many problems in your cavs proposal. Assuming, cavs will make your proposed deal to have 4 pg's on their roster( saxton,garland,delly and teague). Not to mention swap an expiring 10m henson for 2mirr years and 32m of dieng. We only shed 20m in salary(might be less if whatbwe can use to sign free agents).How are we going to offer dlo 25m in your proposal? Its too much trouble and money for cavs and they can use their cap space better than that. And we still wont have enough to sign dlo.
Re: DLO
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:41 pm
by worldK
monsterpile wrote:Let's say there is a team out there that doesn't want to make the Wolves pay up for Wiggins(Since Lowe reported the possibility on JK Redicks podcast) ...a man can dream... What about a sign and trade 2nd rounder to nets, Russell to the Wolves and Wiggins to the Kings if Barnes doesn't resign? That would work in theory right?
FWIW WCS is going to be available.
Monster, Ive been thinking about the kings as well as a place for wig. Personally, I think wig is better than barnes and a better fit for the kings too.
My holdup here on why kings might hesitate is the years on wigs deal. 4 more years on max money. Kings will pay fox max in two more years and hield might get near max if not max a year from now. Bagley is up for extension in 3 more seasons too. If wig is only up for 2 more seasons then I would absorb his salary if I were the kings and take a chance. But 4 more years with 3 guys that could command max or near max extension in 3 succeeding years is what gives me pause.
Im sure the kings would be willing to resign barnes for near max money if it were a 2 year deal but will hesitate to go 4-5 years on him.
Re: DLO
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:41 pm
by KiwiMatt
Lip, rebuilding teams take on bad contracts in exchange for picks. In this case they'd effectively be swapping Henson for Dieng and get a 1st for it. Dieng would be a 17 mil expiring after next season, giving the Cavs cap space for when they might be ready to make a noise. Teague may have to be flicked to a third team, otherwise he would be an asset for them come trade deadline as a 19 mil expiring starting caliber point guard. They could easily flick him to a another team for late 1st round pick. Like what the Kings and Cavs did with George Hill in previous years.
Re: DLO
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:43 pm
by thedoper
Camden0916 wrote:thedoper wrote:Camden0916 wrote:worldK wrote:If we are serious about dlo. Teague + covington remains the best and strongest chance for us to get him.
Teams that are losing a superstar in free agency are better of pushing for a sign and trade and get something in return. That is where I think covington and teague brings very good value.
For example, durant to nets and dlo coming here with cov and teague going to golden state.
A contending team like golden state would love to have covington and his contract. Teague is an expiring that can help their depth. It makes sense for golden state to add more depth and remain a playoff team with klay surely resigning and coming back in feb/march next season than losing durant for nothing.
Makes sense for durant to push for a sign and trade in that he gets more money and can add another year to his deal.
The nets may be the party that would not be interested as they need to pay more but it can be a goodwill sign from them towards durant if they are willing to pay him more. I suspect a protected 1st or a couple of 2nd would be needed for brooklyn to agree to this though.
Yuck. I see little reason as to why Covington would be moved. Rosas didn't move him on draft night and I don't expect him to be moved this entire off-season.
Moving Teague and Gorgui plus some combination of picks gets us to the number. I don't see a need to move Covington especially when we're going to need him even more playing small.
I still don't see why DLO picks us over LA though unless he's bitter about how they treated him the first time.
Personal ego and friendship. Russell will be a primary option in Minnesota with the ball in his hands a lot. Also, should the Wolves become a contender, he'd likely be a pretty big reason why.
The obvious is the close relationship with his boy Towns. Those guys have been close since high school days -- Russell at Montverde Academy and Towns at St. Joseph's. In the past, Towns called Russell "one of the best human beings on this planet" and Russell said that Towns was "a guy I would let my daughter date if I had one." These two have done advertisements together. They've done YouTube videos together. They even flew in a private plane together to attend Game 6 of the 2016 NBA Finals together.
Playing with someone he's that close with in a situation that will best fit his game cannot be overstated. That's without including how in LA Russell will be the scapegoat for when things go wrong -- due his past history there and the two superstars ahead of him in pecking order -- and some guys just struggle playing with LeBron James. For as much as Russell wants the ball in his hands, and rightfully so, it's going to be a huge difference when he's standing in the corner while LeBron takes over possessions. I think Russell is a smart guy and knows all of this, so, if Rosas can clear the space and Brooklyn signs Kyrie Irving, I think Russell is in Minnesota this season and beyond.
I like your optimism, but I wouldn't underestimate the allure of potentially winning a championship in LA.