Would you trade Towns

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thedoper wrote:Were at least a year away from Glen firing anyone. No way in hell Ryan gets fired this quickly. It has to be the end of the year at least.


I think you're right, Doper. I think another lottery season with no draft picks will be enough to push Glen Taylor to sell the team - even if the prospective buyer brings lawyers into the picture. :). Assuming a sale after this season, I would expect the new ownership to clean house from Rosas to Ryan.
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When we think of the wolves getting a new coach we have to think country club. So give me Cheryl Reeve, now that is a coach that has always got the most out of its talent
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kekgeek1 wrote:When we think of the wolves getting a new coach we have to think country club. So give me Cheryl Reeve, now that is a coach that has always got the most out of its talent


Nice idea, kek. If it has to be a Country Club member, then Cheryl would be an inspired choice.
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If you're going to take another first timer, I'd take Shane Battier. Works for the best in the business, Pat Reilly. And Tayshaun Prince is a guy with franchise connections who will be a GM someday.
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CoolBreeze44 wrote:If you're going to take another first timer, I'd take Shane Battier. Works for the best in the business, Pat Reilly. And Tayshaun Prince is a guy with franchise connections who will be a GM someday.


That's an interesting idea.
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lipoli390 wrote:
CoolBreeze44 wrote:If you're going to take another first timer, I'd take Shane Battier. Works for the best in the business, Pat Reilly. And Tayshaun Prince is a guy with franchise connections who will be a GM someday.


That's an interesting idea.


Sam Cassell, legit respected assistant coach, been interviewed for HC jobs if we have to do Minnesota ties
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lipoli390 wrote:
kekgeek1 wrote:When we think of the wolves getting a new coach we have to think country club. So give me Cheryl Reeve, now that is a coach that has always got the most out of its talent


Nice idea, kek. If it has to be a Country Club member, then Cheryl would be an inspired choice.


I have no idea if she would be great or not. Just think she is a hard ass, who built a dynasty and once the dynasty got old she has gotten so much out of the her young Lynx team, without huge top tier talent. She is the Pop of the WNBA just curious how she would do in the NBA
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kekgeek1 wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
kekgeek1 wrote:When we think of the wolves getting a new coach we have to think country club. So give me Cheryl Reeve, now that is a coach that has always got the most out of its talent


Nice idea, kek. If it has to be a Country Club member, then Cheryl would be an inspired choice.


I have no idea if she would be great or not. Just think she is a hard ass, who built a dynasty and once the dynasty got old she has gotten so much out of the her young Lynx team, without huge top tier talent. She is the Pop of the WNBA just curious how she would do in the NBA



I would can Ryan Saunders for her in a second.

The games are a different pace/style, but her adjustments are lightyears ahead of Ryan's. I have no doubt that would translate.

She put in the work, and has proven to win. Ryan is currently living off of Flip. He did not deserve this shot yet. In time, maybe. Not currently.

We are fucking wasting a generational talent on a project coach and an emulation system. A system that was predicated around a top 5 offensive player, and never worked. Morey tried everything for that system, only to end up short, then said fuck you and left. Rosas is stupid. Glen is worse.
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Jim Peterson would be a disaster. He praised the last 2 hires big time. He said he thought Thibs would build this franchise up like Reevedid with the Lynx. He was part of the group that hired Rosas. If you hate the Rosas hire you want nothing to do with Peterson leading it. I say this I I think Jim Pete is a smart basketball guy and someone who any basket all organization would be fortunate to have around in some role. I also can't see him leading an organization.

A former player like Prince is an interesting option.

If we are really serious about getting someone good hire them away from someone else.

Personally I think Rosas might be more of a middle of the road GM like this thread is sorta looking for. I think if he can get the coaching hire right we may move in the right direction. That MIGHT even mean Ryan Saunders is that guy. We are just 4 games in I want to continue to see more but it's obviously not encouraging except that magical Jazz game. Still not surprisingly there have been lots of blowout around the league early on and teams of various talent levels have been on the wrong side of things.
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monsterpile wrote:Jim Peterson would be a disaster. He praised the last 2 hires big time. He said he thought Thibs would build this franchise up like Reevedid with the Lynx. He was part of the group that hired Rosas. If you hate the Rosas hire you want nothing to do with Peterson leading it. I say this I I think Jim Pete is a smart basketball guy and someone who any basket all organization would be fortunate to have around in some role. I also can't see him leading an organization.

A former player like Prince is an interesting option.

If we are really serious about getting someone good hire them away from someone else.

Personally I think Rosas might be more of a middle of the road GM like this thread is sorta looking for. I think if he can get the coaching hire right we may move in the right direction. That MIGHT even mean Ryan Saunders is that guy. We are just 4 games in I want to continue to see more but it's obviously not encouraging except that magical Jazz game. Still not surprisingly there have been lots of blowout around the league early on and teams of various talent levels have been on the wrong side of things.


Good points about Jim Peterson, but I think that just means he has bad judgment when it comes to hiring basketball executives. I have more confidence in his ability to make judgments about head coaches and players. Nonetheless, I don't think I'd have him on my list for a new President of Basketball Operations.

My assessment of Rosas doesn't turn much on the results of the past 4 games. It's far more tied to my assessment of the decisions he's made over the past year and a half that have cumulatively resulted in an incredibly unbalanced roster. Some particulars include:

1. Trading up to get Garland without knowing for sure he would get him
2. Drafting Culver after trading up even though Rosas wanted to build the team around 3-point shooting
3. Trading for Rubio - using valuable expiring contract to get him
4. Drafting Edwards instead of drafting Wiseman or trading down for more value
5. Drafting Bolmaro and failing or use our #17 and 33 draft picks to add any size or 3-point shooting
6. Re-signing Juancho given the other bigs available on the free agent market
7. Paying Juancho $7M per year - makes a bad decision to re-sign Juancho even worse
8. Trading both of our 2021 picks for DLO and his max salary
9. Trading for Allen Crabbe last season when it was clear he had nothing left
10. Ending up after the trade deadline with salaries exceeding the luxury tax, which no lottery team should do
11. Releasing RHJ before this season even though our roster desperately needs size and rebounding
12, Hiring Ryan Saunders as head coach - a guy who had never even been a top assistant much less a head coach at any level of basketball and who has no gravitas or presence.
13. Slavishly building the roster around some ill-defined "system" or style and, even worse, building this supposedly fast, full-court, high ball-movement style around two pillars, KAT and DLO, whose talents don't align well with that style. Some of us have been down on DLO, but to be fair, this system isn't well suited to his talents or skill-set - yet another example of failing to tailor the system to the talents of the key players.

There's room to disagree about most if not all of these nine moves individually. But for me it's the combination of all of them and the resulting roster that troubles me. Obviously, the jury's not entirely out of Rosas. We'll have to see how the team gels as the season progresses and what moves he makes by the trade deadline. Moreover, I feel better about the Edwards pick after watching him up close so far this season. And the current front office should be commended for finding Naz Reid and JMac as undrafted free agents last year. So we'll see. But my opinion of Rosas right now doesn't turn on the last 3 lopsided losses. Those losses simply put the spotlight on the Gersson's terrible roster construction.
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