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TRKO wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

TRKO wrote:Speaking of summer league, I don't know how Simmons was the consensus over Ingram. I see Ingram with such a high ceiling as a two way player.

For us Dunn was such a great pick. If defense were as highly sought after as offense I feel like he goes number one. He is going to be a great fit with the guys we already have. Going to be an exciting few years for us.

I just spent some time watching highlights of various players. Ingram looked really good in his first game. Then I watched Simmons. I don't know about anything else but his passing was crazy good. I was really impressed with some of those dimes. The game highlights I watch were against the Jazz so he was working against Lyles so it wasn't some scrub.

I know basing stuff on summer league is moronic, but even going back through college I just saw Ingram as the better talent. Simmons has great vision and is a great passer. Maybe he is Magic 2.0. Hope he is because that'll be great for the league. I just see Ingram's freaky length, his skill, and how smooth he plays the game and I see a sure fire superstar. I don't see that with Simmoms.

I like Ingram better too.

bleedspeed177 wrote:Good to see Dunn and Jones have good games. How much time did Dunn match up with Mudiay? Dunn is 2 years older, but Mudiay had the benefit of playing in the NBA last year and should be comfortable in this setting. It is a good sign if they matched up most of the game and Dunn out played him because Mudiay was ranked higher then him in the 2015 draft class for PG's and this game might
be the first sign that he might leapfrog him as a better player this year.

Dunn was on Mudiay the whole time they were both on the floor. It was a great matchup. Dunn was all over him like white on rice sticking with him on almost every move, fake, whatever Mudiay tried to throw at him. Mudiay got some foul calls he shouldn't and some he should have on Dunn and he also hit some really tough shots over him. If Payne wasn't such a freaking moron defending the PnR I think Dunn could have really contained Mudiay most of the game because he would recover to him after the pick and Payne would be in the way like he was just gonna switch on him or try to trap him and a couple times you could see Dunn didn't really know what to do or where to go because Payne wasn't recovering to his man hardly ever and it was clear we weren't teaching these guys in practice to switch on PnR's. Sometimes Mudiay would attack in a way that let Dunn get back in good position and other times Payne's stupidity let Mudiay get easy foul draws at the rim. Dunn's gonna be great in Thibs' PnR system because Thibs doesn't switch and Dunn gets back in front of his guy fast and stays in front. It's a really good matchup on that end if you get to watch the replay. It was quite the duel which is a good sign because Mudiay typically tears up the summer league with his size and athleticism and I thought Dunn played him about as well as you could play him for most of the game.

I wasn't paying attention who was guarding Dunn most of the game, but he got by pretty much anyone he wanted to at will and you could see them start to back off him on PnR's to force him to shoot and he hit some of those shots and air-balled others. I think if he just took his time more when he gets that open getting his feet set and shooting nice and easy he could bump up to a more consistent shooter. His passing was great most of the game and you could see some good floor vision from him hitting guys around the perimeter most of which were missed shots. I thought he was a little too jacked up and would like to see a little more control out of him, but for now that's the Dunn I knew we were getting so hopefully that's just a time thing to get him playing hard but in full control.

Kahns - Great recap. I am pulling for Dunn. I never wanted to be so wrong.

It's the first summer league game so naturally we need to make decisions about players now. I liked Dunn's game last night but he's certainly no Rubio. His shot seems even less reliable and his passing is solid but more out of his convenience than trying to get guys easy looks. His defense was really good and I can see him taking the tougher match up at either PG or SG, kind of how Klay Thompson does.

The Rage Monster wrote:It's the first summer league game so naturally we need to make decisions about players now. I liked Dunn's game last night but he's certainly no Rubio. His shot seems even less reliable and his passing is solid but more out of his convenience than trying to get guys easy looks. His defense was really good and I can see him taking the tougher match up at either PG or SG, kind of how Klay Thompson does.

Ha, I hope nobody is making any decisions about players after one game. But it sure is fun to share observations about players we don't know much about yet. Of course Dunn is no Rubio, and it's unfair to even compare them...and the idea of installing Dun as a starting PG is preposterous. In a game like last night, Rubio would have created 10-15 easy baskets for teammates...I only recall Dunn creating 1 easy look. And while Dunn showed himself to be an exciting, disruptive defender, he also bit on a couple silly fakes and fouled far too much. He was certainly impressive on defense last night, but he's not in Ricky's class defensively yet and shouldn't be expected to be.

All that said, it was an impressive first night for Dunn...I'm eagerly looking forward to the next one on Sunday!

The Rage Monster wrote:It's the first summer league game so naturally we need to make decisions about players now. I liked Dunn's game last night but he's certainly no Rubio. His shot seems even less reliable and his passing is solid but more out of his convenience than trying to get guys easy looks. His defense was really good and I can see him taking the tougher match up at either PG or SG, kind of how Klay Thompson does.

So in a game where he goes 10/18 from the field and 1/2 from 3, his shot seems less reliable than a career 37% shooter. Come on. Ricky is one of the worst shooters of all time and Dunn is acceptable, but not great. Everyone needs to get off the Dunn is a bad jump shooter train. He's serviceable which is more than Ricky ever has been or will be. Stop comparing their shots. It's not close. Ricky is horrible. Also, Dunn created two wide open corner three's in the first couple possessions of the game last night as a result of his vision and dribble penetration. That's what modern NBA playmaking is. You penetrate the defense and if the shot isn't there you dish it to the open guy. You're not supposed to penetrate the defense looking for the pass. You're supposed to look for the easy bucket first and then pass out of it if it isn't there. If Ricky was playing last night we would have been destroyed because nobody was hitting the open looks Tyus and Dunn got people. Dunn is the reason that was a game because he of the 27 points he scored efficiently. Ricky can't do that and that's why Dunn has the potential to be a better option at PG in the future. Dunn made plenty of plays last night that weren't converted. He's a different player than Ricky so let's stop comparing him to Ricky.

khans2k5 wrote:

The Rage Monster wrote:It's the first summer league game so naturally we need to make decisions about players now. I liked Dunn's game last night but he's certainly no Rubio. His shot seems even less reliable and his passing is solid but more out of his convenience than trying to get guys easy looks. His defense was really good and I can see him taking the tougher match up at either PG or SG, kind of how Klay Thompson does.

So in a game where he goes 10/18 from the field and 1/2 from 3, his shot seems less reliable than a career 37% shooter. Come on. Ricky is one of the worst shooters of all time and Dunn is acceptable, but not great. Everyone needs to get off the Dunn is a bad jump shooter train. He's serviceable which is more than Ricky ever has been or will be. Stop comparing their shots. It's not close. Ricky is horrible. Also, Dunn created two wide open corner three's in the first couple possessions of the game last night as a result of his vision and dribble penetration. That's what modern NBA playmaking is. You penetrate the defense and if the shot isn't there you dish it to the open guy. You're not supposed to penetrate the defense looking for the pass. You're supposed to look for the easy bucket first and then pass out of it if it isn't there. If Ricky was playing last night we would have been destroyed because nobody was hitting the open looks Tyus and Dunn got people. Dunn is the reason that was a game because he of the 27 points he scored efficiently. Ricky can't do that and that's why Dunn has the potential to be a better option at PG in the future. Dunn made plenty of plays last night that weren't converted. He's a different player than Ricky so let's stop comparing him to Ricky.

Ricky would have been "destroyed" by some d-leaguers last night? Is that what you're really saying?

I agree stop comparing the two. It's time to embrace them as a tandem. I think they will be dynamite together.

BizarroJerry wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

The Rage Monster wrote:It's the first summer league game so naturally we need to make decisions about players now. I liked Dunn's game last night but he's certainly no Rubio. His shot seems even less reliable and his passing is solid but more out of his convenience than trying to get guys easy looks. His defense was really good and I can see him taking the tougher match up at either PG or SG, kind of how Klay Thompson does.

So in a game where he goes 10/18 from the field and 1/2 from 3, his shot seems less reliable than a career 37% shooter. Come on. Ricky is one of the worst shooters of all time and Dunn is acceptable, but not great. Everyone needs to get off the Dunn is a bad jump shooter train. He's serviceable which is more than Ricky ever has been or will be. Stop comparing their shots. It's not close. Ricky is horrible. Also, Dunn created two wide open corner three's in the first couple possessions of the game last night as a result of his vision and dribble penetration. That's what modern NBA playmaking is. You penetrate the defense and if the shot isn't there you dish it to the open guy. You're not supposed to penetrate the defense looking for the pass. You're supposed to look for the easy bucket first and then pass out of it if it isn't there. If Ricky was playing last night we would have been destroyed because nobody was hitting the open looks Tyus and Dunn got people. Dunn is the reason that was a game because he of the 27 points he scored efficiently. Ricky can't do that and that's why Dunn has the potential to be a better option at PG in the future. Dunn made plenty of plays last night that weren't converted. He's a different player than Ricky so let's stop comparing him to Ricky.

Ricky would have been "destroyed" by some d-leaguers last night? Is that what you're really saying?

Our team would have been destroyed because everyone he would pass to would miss their shots like they did last night. An elite passer doesn't contribute much to winning if the guys he passes to don't make their shots. Add to that Ricky isn't putting up 27 points in pretty much any game and we would have been destroyed.

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:I agree stop comparing the two. It's time to embrace them as a tandem. I think they will be dynamite together.

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