Minnesota Sports Forum

khans2k5 wrote:I don't get mad, I just don't get how using statistical outliers is a good way to make a point. Even 2/5 says were more likely to not get better than get better. Cleveland, Orlando and Utah have been at the top of the lottery practically every year since they lost their stars so I don't see how we are a playoff team in a stacked conference. Denver has a huge home court advantage that contributes to their success year in and year out so even including them is a stretch because even a mediocre Denver team gets extra wins from home court.

Yes but how often do teams trade a top ten player? Technically the cavs really didn't trade Lebron they got scraps for sending him to Miami, compared to haul they would've gotten for him if they traded him the year before and Orlando was and old team that Father Time ran out on, Nelson, Hedo, Lewis come on they were bound to have to go Into rebuilding mode/ restructure mode even if Dwight resigned. As for Utah I agree with you but Deron Williams hasn't been close to the player he was in Utah so I pretty much see it as a wash.

khans2k5 wrote:I look forward to bumping this thread when we aren't even close to making the playoffs without Love.

And we can bump a few hundred threads from the past couple years in which the Wolves weren't even close to making the playoffs with Love.

Anyone who thinks we're making the playoffs next year without Love is delusional. That being said I don't think there are many here who think that.

The argument is simple. Some of you think we can be a playoff team without Love and I don't. I don't care about what we've done or not been able to do with Love in the past. I threw out 3 teams that got worse after they lost their star and I'll even throw out Philly after they traded Iggy. You guys provided Denver and Toronto. We'll just have to wait and see.

khans2k5 wrote:The argument is simple. Some of you think we can be a playoff team without Love and I don't. I don't care about what we've done or not been able to do with Love in the past. I threw out 3 teams that got worse after they lost their star and I'll even throw out Philly after they traded Iggy. You guys provided Denver and Toronto. We'll just have to wait and see.

Seems like a strange thing to get your panties bunched over.

khans2k5 wrote:The argument is simple. Some of you think we can be a playoff team without Love and I don't. I don't care about what we've done or not been able to do with Love in the past. I threw out 3 teams that got worse after they lost their star and I'll even throw out Philly after they traded Iggy. You guys provided Denver and Toronto. We'll just have to wait and see.

Your argument is flawed dude. Philly and Orlando weren't aiming to make the playoffs after they traded their star players, they were looking to rebuild.

But I'm not sure who you are arguing against. Who thinks we make the playoffs without Love next year? In two years if our rookies pan out and whoever we get in a deal for Love works out who knows what will happen

Edit- Philly was actually "trying" when they traded for Bynum but quickly realized that he was a bust and after the season immediately moved their only all-star in Jrue

khans2k5 wrote:The argument is simple. Some of you think we can be a playoff team without Love and I don't. I don't care about what we've done or not been able to do with Love in the past. I threw out 3 teams that got worse after they lost their star and I'll even throw out Philly after they traded Iggy. You guys provided Denver and Toronto. We'll just have to wait and see.

Once again you said named one team!!! I named two lol, I don't think the wolves are a playoff team next year no matter what.

Q12543 wrote:I wouldn't be distraught if we ended up with Wiggins; I agree it would be exciting. I'm just saying I'm not locked in on him as the only and best available trade alternative. I'm hoping other suitors, including Chicago, step up and drive up the price for Love.

Q -- You captured my thinking completely. Getting Wiggins s would be exciting, but I'm concerned about his mediocre college stats and loose handle as well as his reported tendency to play passively. That said, he has a lot of upside. Like you, I'd like to see golden State put KlY Thompson back on the table and Chicago step up with an offer that includes either Mirotic or McDermott in addition to Gibson and Butler.

I'd be surprised if the Cavs would ultimately refuse to deal Wiggins as part of a package for Love. They'd be nuts to turn that down unless for some reason LeBron tells them he doesn't want to play with Love. If the deal doesn't happen it will more likely be due to Flip turning it down.

That's cray cray. It's the Cavs who are saying no. If they were offering Wiggins the deal would be done.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:That's cray cray. It's the Cavs who are saying no. If they were offering Wiggins the deal would be done.

Not sure, Cool. Hard to know how Flip feels about Wiggins. I have an educated guess, but I'm not sure.