OT thread America

[Coolbreeze44]

This administration is a fucking disaster. The stock market, the border, gas prices, general inflation - all things the previous administration had in total control. This has all happened in 6 months. Lord help us.

You realize that a significant portion of the country was saying the same thing about the previous administration right?

What were they saying about the previous administration that was true? The Russian hoax? No. That they were fascists? Also not true. That Trump caused an insurrection on Jan 6th? Also ridiculously untrue. That he hated minorities? He did more for minorities than any president I can remember. Tell me one major negative thing they said about Trump that was actually true.

And don't start posts with the words "You realize" or "You do realize". It's condescending and more often than not means what follows is complete bullshit.

[Monster]

This administration is a fucking disaster. The stock market, the border, gas prices, general inflation - all things the previous administration had in total control. This has all happened in 6 months. Lord help us.

You realize that a significant portion of the country was saying the same thing about the previous administration right?

What were they saying about the previous administration that was true? The Russian hoax? No. That they were fascists? Also not true. That Trump caused an insurrection on Jan 6th? Also ridiculously untrue. That he hated minorities? He did more for minorities than any president I can remember. Tell me one major negative thing they said about Trump that was actually true.

And don't start posts with the words "You realize" or "You do realize". It's condescending and more often than not means what follows is complete bullshit.

For sounding condescending that was truly not my intention.

Here is my point. There were a lot of people saying negative things about Trump and you are saying all of them were incorrect. Now you are saying this current administration is complete bullshit. I think it's worth considering there is some middle ground here that nobody is completely right or wrong all the time.

[Coolbreeze44]

This administration is a fucking disaster. The stock market, the border, gas prices, general inflation - all things the previous administration had in total control. This has all happened in 6 months. Lord help us.

You realize that a significant portion of the country was saying the same thing about the previous administration right?

What were they saying about the previous administration that was true? The Russian hoax? No. That they were fascists? Also not true. That Trump caused an insurrection on Jan 6th? Also ridiculously untrue. That he hated minorities? He did more for minorities than any president I can remember. Tell me one major negative thing they said about Trump that was actually true.

And don't start posts with the words "You realize" or "You do realize". It's condescending and more often than not means what follows is complete bullshit.

For sounding condescending that was truly not my intention.

Here is my point. There were a lot of people saying negative things about Trump and you are saying all of them were incorrect. Now you are saying this current administration is complete bullshit. I think it's worth considering there is some middle ground here that nobody is completely right or wrong all the time.

Monster, I can't stress this enough. The current people in power are willing to do just about anything to not only continue in power, but to increase it. They were willing to let you die by negating the positive effects of Hydroxychloroquine in order to beat Trump. Think about that. Now they are letting a crisis explode at the border, strictly to insure they remain in power. Guess what they are doing with the migrants being let into the country. They are flying them into communities all over the country in a brazen attempt to change the electorate. This is true, and it should scare every American who believes in our election system.

I don't know, maybe I should just ask you if you are a proponent of Socialism? I don't think you are, but I'm praying you and people like you will wake up to what is truly going on here. Censorship is happening, that's not the America I grew up with. Neither is the press being a propaganda arm instead of a trusted news source. I know there are a lot of people out there who just don't have the intelligence to read the situation and make informed decisions. They truly are sheep and there is a lot of them. So we need smart people like yourself to be able to discriminate between what the press is telling you and what is really going on. Ask questions, and don't trust everything you are being fed.

[Monster]

This administration is a fucking disaster. The stock market, the border, gas prices, general inflation - all things the previous administration had in total control. This has all happened in 6 months. Lord help us.

You realize that a significant portion of the country was saying the same thing about the previous administration right?

What were they saying about the previous administration that was true? The Russian hoax? No. That they were fascists? Also not true. That Trump caused an insurrection on Jan 6th? Also ridiculously untrue. That he hated minorities? He did more for minorities than any president I can remember. Tell me one major negative thing they said about Trump that was actually true.

And don't start posts with the words "You realize" or "You do realize". It's condescending and more often than not means what follows is complete bullshit.

For sounding condescending that was truly not my intention.

Here is my point. There were a lot of people saying negative things about Trump and you are saying all of them were incorrect. Now you are saying this current administration is complete bullshit. I think it's worth considering there is some middle ground here that nobody is completely right or wrong all the time.

Monster, I can't stress this enough. The current people in power are willing to do just about anything to not only continue in power, but to increase it. They were willing to let you die by negating the positive effects of Hydroxychloroquine in order to beat Trump. Think about that. Now they are letting a crisis explode at the border, strictly to insure they remain in power. Guess what they are doing with the migrants being let into the country. They are flying them into communities all over the country in a brazen attempt to change the electorate. This is true, and it should scare every American who believes in our election system.

I don't know, maybe I should just ask you if you are a proponent of Socialism? I don't think you are, but I'm praying you and people like you will wake up to what is truly going on here. Censorship is happening, that's not the America I grew up with. Neither is the press being a propaganda arm instead of a trusted news source. I know there are a lot of people out there who just don't have the intelligence to read the situation and make informed decisions. They truly are sheep and there is a lot of them. So we need smart people like yourself to be able to discriminate between what the press is telling you and what is really going on. Ask questions, and don't trust everything you are being fed.

I personally don't believe in any specific system as the answer including socialism or capitalism.

You implored me to keep asking questions. I would implore you to do the same. You said that every big negative about Trump was a lie. Think about that for a minute. Does that sound rational? It does not to me as every leader has some big negative about them. In your original post you pinned the gas prices directly on Biden. Is that really true or are you piling on like people did with Trump? Beware that you aren't being fooled yourself. I'm not suggesting I have the answers because I certainly do not. I would implore you to do the same as your last quote "Ask questions, and don't trust everything you are being fed."

Again please don't think I'm some person that thinks I know all things and you don't. You have a lot of knowledge and I believe very sincere. My greatest point is I believe we need to be open with each other more and be willing to consider the idea that some of what we believe to be true is incorrect. A fun challenge is try and find something in your life (I did this with how I viewed myself) that you think is true but see if it really is. For me I realized a few new things about myself I had not considered before. To truly question things we have to be willing to accept that what we believe COULD actually be incorrect. This is difficult but also worthwhile IMHO. If we want true freedom in this country having freedom of thought is a pretty big deal. We can inprison ourselves at times.

[bleedspeed]

This administration is a fucking disaster. The stock market, the border, gas prices, general inflation - all things the previous administration had in total control. This has all happened in 6 months. Lord help us.

You realize that a significant portion of the country was saying the same thing about the previous administration right?

I was in the camp of liking most of his policies and mostly dispising his antics and personality. To me it is still pretty incredible someone could be POTUS without holding any other office. It is not just being president, but also all of your appointments, etc.

[bleedspeed]

So what do Cuban people need from USA? Strategic reasons alone are enough to help them and humanitarian would be frosting on the cake.

Kudos to Walz for keeping the pressure on JT.
https://www.redlakenationnews.com/story/2021/07/20/politics/gov-tim-walz-repeats-his-insistence-that-rep-john-thompson-resign/99431.html

[Coolbreeze44]

I took the vax. Thought it was the right thing to do to protect my fellow man. But I'm bothered by the hypocrisy of our government. They campaign against the un-vaxed while they allow thousands of illegal aliens to come across the border every day. Those two things don't make sense when placed side by side.

[bleedspeed]

Cool - There is a lot of hypocrisy to go around. I know I can be guilty of it.

The immigration thing is a concern, but I think part of it is how we handle it. We do have a finite amount of natural resources, but we can improve. I am very much in favor of removing immigrants that are trouble makers and criminals. I feel we need less tolerance in that regard. The most pressing thing is we need to do a better job of recruiting and keeping people with knowledge skills. Keep bringing those gifted students here and keep them.

[Monster]

Cool - There is a lot of hypocrisy to go around. I know I can be guilty of it.

The immigration thing is a concern, but I think part of it is how we handle it. We do have a finite amount of natural resources, but we can improve. I am very much in favor of removing immigrants that are trouble makers and criminals. I feel we need less tolerance in that regard. The most pressing thing is we need to do a better job of recruiting and keeping people with knowledge skills. Keep bringing those gifted students here and keep them.

Good post Bleed and I think Cool brings up a fair consideration. Here are some random thoughts:

To me immigration is something that needs a pretty big overhaul. I think everyone agrees with that. To me the unfortunate thing is that it's basically another one of those sort of so called hot button issues that each side has their ideas and nobody seems to want to give in. Meanwhile nothing gets better and even possibly some things most people on both sides would actually agree on could be implemented aren't.

I think it's always worth remembering that this country is filled with immigrants as there is a very low percentage of people that are native to the country in terms of their actual ancestry.

A former teacher and colleague said his personal professional criteria for students in the school he taught in was basic citizenship. Are they treating people reasonably well, doing something to help the people around then or are they basically hurting the community more than they are helping? If at some point they demonstrate over time they aren't good citizens then it is likely time for them to move on.

I think there are people that have entered the country illegally that are meeting good citizenship standards including paying taxes. I don't see a reason that they need to go back if they are positively contributing to their community. Does this create an incentive to come into the country in any way and hopefully make it work? Yes absolutely it does. At what point does someone who is already here deserve to benefit from meritocracy while the community around them benefits as well?

Just to be clear I am not advocating for allowing everyone to come in to the country. Like I said the incentive to come here can be increased depending on policy but for some people it's going to be pretty high regardless. Some people are in REALLY bad situations fearing for their lives. The US certainly can't take everyone though.

[Coolbreeze44]

It's the human and drug traffickers that I have a problem with. We're not doing anything as far as i can tell to vet the people who want in. And let's not kid ourselves, the whole immigration thing is about politics. The left wants to change our electorate to help them gain and stay in power. The right wants entrance to be based on merit, but doesn't realize we need more workers to support our economy. Yes, compromise would be wonderful - remember when this country was able to accomplish that?