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khans2k5 wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:Because most rookies aren't given free reign to jack up 6-7 3's a game like he was? The top 3 rookies this year shot over 400 3's. He was 3rd at 434 and his competition had 10 whole games on him. Last year the highest was Buddy at 379 and then Murray at 344. The year before was D'Angelo at 370 and then a huge drop to Booker at 289. The year before that was even less with Mirotic at 313 as the number 1 volume guy. This is the very picture of putting up stats because of opportunity more than a credit to skill. Donovan Mitchell put up 550 three's this year because they had few other offensive options to go to. Volume is a result of opportunity and it doesn't signify quality as you suggest. It's just a different league that involves more and more chucking every year. He doesn't deserve extra credit just because he chucked up the most 3's early in the year.

I'm using his rookie numbers as a data point to point out that he's not really close to being a great offensive player and that the "quality" you are seeing was there was more due to opportunity than actually being good. You seem to suggest that his rookie accolades put him on this path to greatness by complaining you got killed for saying he would be a great offensive player. Well nothing about those accolades really have anything to do with quality of play. They're just counting stats so I'm having trouble understanding why you think they make your prediction any more valid at this point in time than when it was first made.

Yes I am suggesting that his rookie season is putting him on the path to Greatness that's what setting the rookie three-point Bulls record and putting up stats that only LeBron and Dario saric have done is. It's very telling that your argument is based around the fact that he put up good stats on a bad team, besides exceptions like Ben Simmons and Donovan Mitchell, that is what you're going to get 99% of the time unless you're one of those Debbie downers that tears down every promising rookie due to the fact that he wasn't playing on winning team? What exactly did you think would happen? In all honesty you if don't think putting up numbers only LeBron and one other player have doesnt put a rookie on the path to being a great offensive player than you may want to try a different sport to follow.

The other offensive player is Dario Saric and I don't know anyone who considers Saric a great offensive player. You're using Lebron and rookie records for one franchise out of 30 as your whole argument. Just wow.

BloopOracle wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:Because most rookies aren't given free reign to jack up 6-7 3's a game like he was? The top 3 rookies this year shot over 400 3's. He was 3rd at 434 and his competition had 10 whole games on him. Last year the highest was Buddy at 379 and then Murray at 344. The year before was D'Angelo at 370 and then a huge drop to Booker at 289. The year before that was even less with Mirotic at 313 as the number 1 volume guy. This is the very picture of putting up stats because of opportunity more than a credit to skill. Donovan Mitchell put up 550 three's this year because they had few other offensive options to go to. Volume is a result of opportunity and it doesn't signify quality as you suggest. It's just a different league that involves more and more chucking every year. He doesn't deserve extra credit just because he chucked up the most 3's early in the year.

I'm using his rookie numbers as a data point to point out that he's not really close to being a great offensive player and that the "quality" you are seeing was there was more due to opportunity than actually being good. You seem to suggest that his rookie accolades put him on this path to greatness by complaining you got killed for saying he would be a great offensive player. Well nothing about those accolades really have anything to do with quality of play. They're just counting stats so I'm having trouble understanding why you think they make your prediction any more valid at this point in time than when it was first made.

Yes I am suggesting that his rookie season is putting him on the path to Greatness that's what setting the rookie three-point Bulls record and putting up stats that only LeBron and Dario saric have done is. It's very telling that your argument is based around the fact that he put up good stats on a bad team, besides exceptions like Ben Simmons and Donovan Mitchell, that is what you're going to get 99% of the time unless you're one of those Debbie downers that tears down every promising rookie due to the fact that he wasn't playing on winning team? What exactly did you think would happen? In all honesty you if don't think putting up numbers only LeBron and one other player have doesnt put a rookie on the path to being a great offensive player than you may want to try a different sport to follow.

The other offensive player is Dario Saric and I don't know anyone who considers Saric a great offensive player. You're using Lebron and rookie records for one franchise out of 30 as your whole argument. Just wow.

Let me try to dumb it down for you even more since I'm getting sick of explaining the same thing in multiple different ways to you, LeBron is arguably the greatest player of all time and Saric has already been in the league for a few years and that's after being old for a rookie in general before he was able to put up those numbers. Markkanen put up these numbers as a ROOKIE. Now read that as slowly as you can so we don't have to go through this again ok?

khans2k5 wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:Because most rookies aren't given free reign to jack up 6-7 3's a game like he was? The top 3 rookies this year shot over 400 3's. He was 3rd at 434 and his competition had 10 whole games on him. Last year the highest was Buddy at 379 and then Murray at 344. The year before was D'Angelo at 370 and then a huge drop to Booker at 289. The year before that was even less with Mirotic at 313 as the number 1 volume guy. This is the very picture of putting up stats because of opportunity more than a credit to skill. Donovan Mitchell put up 550 three's this year because they had few other offensive options to go to. Volume is a result of opportunity and it doesn't signify quality as you suggest. It's just a different league that involves more and more chucking every year. He doesn't deserve extra credit just because he chucked up the most 3's early in the year.

I'm using his rookie numbers as a data point to point out that he's not really close to being a great offensive player and that the "quality" you are seeing was there was more due to opportunity than actually being good. You seem to suggest that his rookie accolades put him on this path to greatness by complaining you got killed for saying he would be a great offensive player. Well nothing about those accolades really have anything to do with quality of play. They're just counting stats so I'm having trouble understanding why you think they make your prediction any more valid at this point in time than when it was first made.

Yes I am suggesting that his rookie season is putting him on the path to Greatness that's what setting the rookie three-point Bulls record and putting up stats that only LeBron and Dario saric have done is. It's very telling that your argument is based around the fact that he put up good stats on a bad team, besides exceptions like Ben Simmons and Donovan Mitchell, that is what you're going to get 99% of the time unless you're one of those Debbie downers that tears down every promising rookie due to the fact that he wasn't playing on winning team? What exactly did you think would happen? In all honesty you if don't think putting up numbers only LeBron and one other player have doesnt put a rookie on the path to being a great offensive player than you may want to try a different sport to follow.

The other offensive player is Dario Saric and I don't know anyone who considers Saric a great offensive player. You're using Lebron and rookie records for one franchise out of 30 as your whole argument. Just wow.

Let me try to dumb it down for you even more since I'm getting sick of explaining the same thing in multiple different ways to you, LeBron is arguably the greatest player of all time and Saric has already been in the league for a few years and that's after being old for a rookie in general before he was able to put up those numbers. Markkanen put up these numbers as a ROOKIE. Now read that as slowly as you can so we don't have to go through this again ok?

You are comparing him to LEBRON fucking JAMES because of cumulative points and rebounds. Just stop already.

BloopOracle wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:I watched some of the Bulls game last night, and I remain as unimpressed about Markkanen as ever. He benefited from two things last night...a horrible Bulls team that guarantees him minutes and shots, and a Raptors defense that just didn't care after they got up 20 (almost all of his points came after the game was out of hand). His defense and ballhandling were terrible...3 turnovers, but he could have had more. And I'm still going with my pre-draft take that he is not a very good 3-point shooter, even though that is the one thing he was known for in college. He padded his 3-point stats early in the season (17 for 25 against Bakersfield, Sacred Heart and Northern Colorado), but was not good at all the last 15 games of the season against better competition...only 15 for 56, or 26.8%. He made 2 out of 6 yesterday, but most of them were wide open looks against a disinterested defense. I'm predicting he doesn't make 33% of his shots this season. I still think we were lucky to get Patton rather than him.

Lauri was the fastest to 100 3's in NBA history and in the end broke the Bulls 3 point rookie record even with multiple rest games to help their tank, he was also the first Bulls rookie in 18 years to have 1000 points and 500 rebounds. I would also like to say I was killed by the majority of this board for saying he would be a great offensive player.

khans2k5 wrote:Moving on to something else before my head explodes from something so dumb. Budenholzer is being allowed to meet with the Suns. How do we fire Thibs right now to make this happen?

Camden wrote:I have some draft darlings I personally like that should/could be available when Minnesota's on the clock via the Oklahoma City first-round pick. It's poor timing to discuss the draft when we're approaching our first playoff series in more than a decade -- I know that -- but if the board likes, I could do a short write-up of 'my guys' at some point and share it.

I thought about doing an overall big board as well like I have in the past, but with us not having a lottery pick, would it generate enough discussion to be worth it?

I'm all ears!