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CoolBreeze44 wrote:Why don't the Wolves run like these Bucks do?

Because we have a head coach who just doesn't play that style and who is psychologically incapable of adapting or modifying his approach. As you know, I was furious when we hired Thibs because I thought he was a bad fit for the modern NBA and also a bad fit for our personnel. So sadly, I'm not surprised by anything I've seen.

lipoli390 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Why don't the Wolves run like these Bucks do?

Because we have a head coach who just doesn't play that style and who is psychologically incapable of adapting or modifying his approach. As you know, I was furious when we hired Thibs because I thought he was a bad fit for the modern NBA and also a bad fit for our personnel. So sadly, I'm not surprised by anything I've seen.

Just hating on Thibs to hate on Thibs here. Bucks are 20th in pace and the Wolves are 22nd in Pace. The Bucks get .4 more possessions a game. Man huge difference I know

kekgeek1 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Why don't the Wolves run like these Bucks do?

The Bucks are 20th in pace and the Wolves are 22nd in pace. The Bucks get .4 more possessions per game. No difference

I think the Bucks have played with more pace after changing head coaches and have increased their pace over time. So the 20th rank might be a bit misleading when evaluating how they're playing today. But in any event, I'm more concerned about the Wolves ranking 22 than about the pace of the Bucks. I think the crux of Cool's point is the pace at which the Wolves play. I don't think the issue is how fast the Bucks play. It just so happens the Bucks are playing with great pace today and it's working for them.

kekgeek1 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Why don't the Wolves run like these Bucks do?

Because we have a head coach who just doesn't play that style and who is psychologically incapable of adapting or modifying his approach. As you know, I was furious when we hired Thibs because I thought he was a bad fit for the modern NBA and also a bad fit for our personnel. So sadly, I'm not surprised by anything I've seen.

Just hating on Thibs to hate on Thibs here. Bucks are 20th in pace and the Wolves are 22nd in Pace. The Bucks get .4 more possessions a game. Man huge difference I know

Again, geek, your instinct to defend Thibs is admirable, but the issue isn't the Bucks' pace; it's the Wolves' pace. Nearly every basketball analyst from Kenny Smith, to Charles Barkley to Shaq has criticized the Wolves for their slow pace and poor spacing given the talent the Wolves have on their team. Cool was reacting to the fast pace at which the Bucks are playing today. But the main point is the pace of the Wolves play, not the Bucks.

lipoli390 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Why don't the Wolves run like these Bucks do?

The Bucks are 20th in pace and the Wolves are 22nd in pace. The Bucks get .4 more possessions per game. No difference

I think the Bucks have played with more pace after changing head coaches and have increased their pace over time. So the 20th rank might be a bit misleading when evaluating how they're playing today. But in any event, I'm more concerned about the Wolves ranking 22 than about the pace of the Bucks. I think the crux of Cool's point is the pace at which the Wolves play. I don't think the issue is how fast the Bucks play. It just so happens the Bucks are playing with great pace today and it's working for them.

Since Jan 22nd (Jason Kidd firing) the Wolves are 18th in pace, the Bucks are 15th. A grand total of .2 more possessions a game.

lipoli390 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Why don't the Wolves run like these Bucks do?

The Bucks are 20th in pace and the Wolves are 22nd in pace. The Bucks get .4 more possessions per game. No difference

I think the Bucks have played with more pace after changing head coaches and have increased their pace over time. So the 20th rank might be a bit misleading when evaluating how they're playing today. But in any event, I'm more concerned about the Wolves ranking 22 than about the pace of the Bucks. I think the crux of Cool's point is the pace at which the Wolves play. I don't think the issue is how fast the Bucks play. It just so happens the Bucks are playing with great pace today and it's working for them.

If the Bucks can't beat the depleted Celtics that's honestly kinda embarrassing even though the Celtics are a well coached team with some talent still. The Bucks coaching and way they play is far from anything to model. If you aren't sure ask any Bucks fan.

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Why don't the Wolves run like these Bucks do?

The Bucks are 20th in pace and the Wolves are 22nd in pace. The Bucks get .4 more possessions per game. No difference

I think the Bucks have played with more pace after changing head coaches and have increased their pace over time. So the 20th rank might be a bit misleading when evaluating how they're playing today. But in any event, I'm more concerned about the Wolves ranking 22 than about the pace of the Bucks. I think the crux of Cool's point is the pace at which the Wolves play. I don't think the issue is how fast the Bucks play. It just so happens the Bucks are playing with great pace today and it's working for them.

If the Bucks can't beat the depleted Celtics that's honestly kinda embarrassing even though the Celtics are a well coached team with some talent still. The Bucks coaching and way they play is far from anything to model. If you aren't sure ask any Bucks fan.

One last time. And I think you get this, Monster. The issue isn't how well or fast the Bucks play. They're certainly not my model for how to play - although I admire the organization for drafting Giannis and Brogdon. The Wolves should not be in the bottom half of the League in pace of play in my view. That's it, end of story. The fact that Cool chose the wrong team to illustrate his concern about the Wolves slow pace is really beside the point.

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Why don't the Wolves run like these Bucks do?

The Bucks are 20th in pace and the Wolves are 22nd in pace. The Bucks get .4 more possessions per game. No difference

I think the Bucks have played with more pace after changing head coaches and have increased their pace over time. So the 20th rank might be a bit misleading when evaluating how they're playing today. But in any event, I'm more concerned about the Wolves ranking 22 than about the pace of the Bucks. I think the crux of Cool's point is the pace at which the Wolves play. I don't think the issue is how fast the Bucks play. It just so happens the Bucks are playing with great pace today and it's working for them.

If the Bucks can't beat the depleted Celtics that's honestly kinda embarrassing even though the Celtics are a well coached team with some talent still. The Bucks coaching and way they play is far from anything to model. If you aren't sure ask any Bucks fan.

One last time. And I think you get this, Monster. The issue isn't how well or fast the Bucks play. They're certainly not my model for how to play - although I admire the organization for drafting Giannis and Brogdon. The Wolves should not be in the bottom half of the League in pace of play in my view. That's it, end of story. The fact that Cool chose the wrong team to illustrate his concern about the Wolves slow pace is really beside the point.

Are you sure it is better though. I just went through every game. The League average in pace according to Basketball Reference is 97.3.

The Wolves record is 35-22 When playing slower than league average so a winning % of 61.4%. The Wolves are 12-13 when they play faster than league average for a winning % of 48%.

Are you sure we should be playing faster because when we are playing faster than league average we are a below 500 team and when we play with a below average league pace it would translate to the 6th best record overall in the NBA 3rd best in the West.

Like I am cooling on Thibs don't get me wrong but when its just been a Thibs bashing these last couple days and people are stating things that they want Thibs to do but the numbers suggest that we are worse when we do it makes no sense to me.

kekgeek1 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Why don't the Wolves run like these Bucks do?

The Bucks are 20th in pace and the Wolves are 22nd in pace. The Bucks get .4 more possessions per game. No difference

I think the Bucks have played with more pace after changing head coaches and have increased their pace over time. So the 20th rank might be a bit misleading when evaluating how they're playing today. But in any event, I'm more concerned about the Wolves ranking 22 than about the pace of the Bucks. I think the crux of Cool's point is the pace at which the Wolves play. I don't think the issue is how fast the Bucks play. It just so happens the Bucks are playing with great pace today and it's working for them.

If the Bucks can't beat the depleted Celtics that's honestly kinda embarrassing even though the Celtics are a well coached team with some talent still. The Bucks coaching and way they play is far from anything to model. If you aren't sure ask any Bucks fan.

One last time. And I think you get this, Monster. The issue isn't how well or fast the Bucks play. They're certainly not my model for how to play - although I admire the organization for drafting Giannis and Brogdon. The Wolves should not be in the bottom half of the League in pace of play in my view. That's it, end of story. The fact that Cool chose the wrong team to illustrate his concern about the Wolves slow pace is really beside the point.

Are you sure it is better though. I just went through every game. The League average in pace according to Basketball Reference is 97.3.

The Wolves record is 35-22 When playing slower than league average so a winning % of 61.4%. The Wolves are 12-13 when they play faster than league average for a winning % of 48%.

Are you sure we should be playing faster because when we are playing faster than league average we are a below 500 team and when we play with a below average league pace it would translate to the 6th best record overall in the NBA 3rd best in the West.

Like I am cooling on Thibs don't get me wrong but when its just been a Thibs bashing these last couple days and people are stating things that they want Thibs to do but the numbers suggest that we are worse when we do it makes no sense to me.

Hard to know for sure, Geek. I don't think this team is coached to play at a faster pace, so I'm not surprised that we have less success when we do. Teams play they way they practice and, in fact, they should play th way they practice. But we'd have to break things down far more to really understand. I just know that we overdribble and take far to many contested shots late in the shot clock. I believe there's a stat showing that the Wolves have taken more contested jumpers than any other team in the League. I'm actually more concerned about our poor spacing and lack of movement than pace of play, but I'm concerned about all those things. And I'm even more concerned about our defense, which is definitely more of a problem than our offense. But I think it's both and I do think pace is part of the problem.

Wow, the Celtics are a tough team. I just love the way they play on both ends.