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lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:Great to see the Sixers lose even though I can't stand the Nets.

It's also great to see the Lakers getting trounced by the Suns. Unfortunately, I haven't watched the game so I haven't seen drama I've been reading about. What's next for LeBron if the Lakers don't win a championship this season? Does he try to assemble another super team somewhere else?

How about Torontos' Scottie Barnes. 25 points and 13 rebounds tonight. Most pundits thought they took Barnes too high at #4. Masai Ujiri is a smart dude and probably the best PBO in the NBA.

Masai is further proof that it ultimately comes down to having an eye for talent. The best PBOs have it and the worst ones don't. Honestly, Rosas had a good eye for talent. He made a mistake with Culver, but he was actually trading up for Garland. His mistake was stupidly giving up an asset without knowing for sure he could get the talent he identified and then stubbornly refusing to trade back in. Otherwise, we've seen his eye for talent repeatedly in his signing of drafting of Naz Reid, Jordan McLaughlin, Anthony Edwards and Jaden McDaniels. I wouldn't be surprised if Bolmaro gets added to my list by this time next year. I also see his trade for Beasley as another example of Gersson's keen eye for young talent. And while I didn't like the DLO deal, there's no denying DLO's talent. Rosas could be frustrating and was apparently difficult to work with. But he left us a lot of talent and a really good head coach.

Getting Vanderbilt in that deal was pretty good too. I was a bit KBD fan but man that was a good swap.

Barnes is averaging a double double.

As for the Lakers...hate them or whatever but that team has some legit talent on it and I think they do actually have some guys that are solid compliments. They mostly need to stay healthy but there is a lot of egos on that squad.

I forgot about Vanderbilt being part of that deal. Honestly, the more you look back, the more you appreciate Rosas as a PBO. Everyone makes mistakes and he made his share. But he made a lot of really good decisions on player personnel.

monsterpile wrote:It makes his decisions that got him fired all the more puzzling. I believe one of the things that Rosas did well was I think he did hire some legitimately talented people around him...except that Ryan Saunders hire didn't age well. What we can hope is that some of the smart moves he made are partly because of some of the folks currently in the building.

monsterpile wrote:

FNG wrote:I'm not on the Jalen Green train. I think he is going to sell a lot of jerseys and posters, but ultimately his poor defense and inefficient shooting is going to doom him to being an unsuccessful, albeit exciting, player. I note that he had an ORtg of 102 and a DRtg of 112 last year in the G League...that sounds about right to me. Through his first 2 games he's making 32% of his shots, and 18% on threes (5.5 attempts per game). I think he will improve, but not enough to be a positive player.

Maybe he'll fool me, but right now he doesn't look like my kind of player.

If we are going to go off his G-league stats of 15 games...well then you might love this guy since he was wildly efficient 61.3% TS who had just turned 19 years old. I'm not exactly on the Green train or whatever (I'm a Wolves fan I've been mostly on the L train...) but he is an interesting player.

FNG wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

FNG wrote:I'm not on the Jalen Green train. I think he is going to sell a lot of jerseys and posters, but ultimately his poor defense and inefficient shooting is going to doom him to being an unsuccessful, albeit exciting, player. I note that he had an ORtg of 102 and a DRtg of 112 last year in the G League...that sounds about right to me. Through his first 2 games he's making 32% of his shots, and 18% on threes (5.5 attempts per game). I think he will improve, but not enough to be a positive player.

Maybe he'll fool me, but right now he doesn't look like my kind of player.

If we are going to go off his G-league stats of 15 games...well then you might love this guy since he was wildly efficient 61.3% TS who had just turned 19 years old. I'm not exactly on the Green train or whatever (I'm a Wolves fan I've been mostly on the L train...) but he is an interesting player.

Ha, very true Monster- he was efficient last season. I would argue that the G League is a different animal though...lots of breakaway dunks and open threes. I don't think Green will shoot as poorly as he has in the first two regular season games, but I also don't think he will be anywhere near as efficient as he was last season. I agree he's an interesting and entertaining player...just not a winner in my book or my kind of player. We'll have to see.

monsterpile wrote:

FNG wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

FNG wrote:I'm not on the Jalen Green train. I think he is going to sell a lot of jerseys and posters, but ultimately his poor defense and inefficient shooting is going to doom him to being an unsuccessful, albeit exciting, player. I note that he had an ORtg of 102 and a DRtg of 112 last year in the G League...that sounds about right to me. Through his first 2 games he's making 32% of his shots, and 18% on threes (5.5 attempts per game). I think he will improve, but not enough to be a positive player.

Maybe he'll fool me, but right now he doesn't look like my kind of player.

If we are going to go off his G-league stats of 15 games...well then you might love this guy since he was wildly efficient 61.3% TS who had just turned 19 years old. I'm not exactly on the Green train or whatever (I'm a Wolves fan I've been mostly on the L train...) but he is an interesting player.

Ha, very true Monster- he was efficient last season. I would argue that the G League is a different animal though...lots of breakaway dunks and open threes. I don't think Green will shoot as poorly as he has in the first two regular season games, but I also don't think he will be anywhere near as efficient as he was last season. I agree he's an interesting and entertaining player...just not a winner in my book or my kind of player. We'll have to see.

Personally I think the G-league is a better test of what a guy can do than if he played in college. Of course last year probably less so since it was only 15 games and teams played fewer of their more legit players due to Covid. Mostly ai thought it was amusing that you decided 15 games of advanced stats from the G-league was important enough to make a judgment on and dismissing another stat. Also...do you actually watch G-league games?

FNG wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

FNG wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

FNG wrote:I'm not on the Jalen Green train. I think he is going to sell a lot of jerseys and posters, but ultimately his poor defense and inefficient shooting is going to doom him to being an unsuccessful, albeit exciting, player. I note that he had an ORtg of 102 and a DRtg of 112 last year in the G League...that sounds about right to me. Through his first 2 games he's making 32% of his shots, and 18% on threes (5.5 attempts per game). I think he will improve, but not enough to be a positive player.

Maybe he'll fool me, but right now he doesn't look like my kind of player.

If we are going to go off his G-league stats of 15 games...well then you might love this guy since he was wildly efficient 61.3% TS who had just turned 19 years old. I'm not exactly on the Green train or whatever (I'm a Wolves fan I've been mostly on the L train...) but he is an interesting player.

Ha, very true Monster- he was efficient last season. I would argue that the G League is a different animal though...lots of breakaway dunks and open threes. I don't think Green will shoot as poorly as he has in the first two regular season games, but I also don't think he will be anywhere near as efficient as he was last season. I agree he's an interesting and entertaining player...just not a winner in my book or my kind of player. We'll have to see.

Personally I think the G-league is a better test of what a guy can do than if he played in college. Of course last year probably less so since it was only 15 games and teams played fewer of their more legit players due to Covid. Mostly ai thought it was amusing that you decided 15 games of advanced stats from the G-league was important enough to make a judgment on and dismissing another stat. Also...do you actually watch G-league games?

Just highlights of G League games. And a lot of video of Green before the draft. I know it's only 15 games, but he looked a lot like the guy I watched last Wednesday night...very athletic, but poor shot selection and defense. And a 10 point deficit rating deficit in the G League just isn't very good...even over 15 games.

monsterpile wrote:

FNG wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

FNG wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

FNG wrote:I'm not on the Jalen Green train. I think he is going to sell a lot of jerseys and posters, but ultimately his poor defense and inefficient shooting is going to doom him to being an unsuccessful, albeit exciting, player. I note that he had an ORtg of 102 and a DRtg of 112 last year in the G League...that sounds about right to me. Through his first 2 games he's making 32% of his shots, and 18% on threes (5.5 attempts per game). I think he will improve, but not enough to be a positive player.

Maybe he'll fool me, but right now he doesn't look like my kind of player.

If we are going to go off his G-league stats of 15 games...well then you might love this guy since he was wildly efficient 61.3% TS who had just turned 19 years old. I'm not exactly on the Green train or whatever (I'm a Wolves fan I've been mostly on the L train...) but he is an interesting player.

Ha, very true Monster- he was efficient last season. I would argue that the G League is a different animal though...lots of breakaway dunks and open threes. I don't think Green will shoot as poorly as he has in the first two regular season games, but I also don't think he will be anywhere near as efficient as he was last season. I agree he's an interesting and entertaining player...just not a winner in my book or my kind of player. We'll have to see.

Personally I think the G-league is a better test of what a guy can do than if he played in college. Of course last year probably less so since it was only 15 games and teams played fewer of their more legit players due to Covid. Mostly ai thought it was amusing that you decided 15 games of advanced stats from the G-league was important enough to make a judgment on and dismissing another stat. Also...do you actually watch G-league games?

Just highlights of G League games. And a lot of video of Green before the draft. I know it's only 15 games, but he looked a lot like the guy I watched last Wednesday night...very athletic, but poor shot selection and defense. And a 10 point deficit rating deficit in the G League just isn't very good...even over 15 games.

So you haven't watched a G-league game and you are judging what type of league it is by some highlights?

Camden wrote:FNG, why are you comparing the G-League to the NBA? Wasn't monster's point that he thinks the talent in the G-League is better than the talent at the college level? Maybe I missed something...

FNG wrote:

Camden wrote:FNG, why are you comparing the G-League to the NBA? Wasn't monster's point that he thinks the talent in the G-League is better than the talent at the college level? Maybe I missed something...

Maybe that was monster's point, Cam, and there's no question that the average G League player is much better than the average college player. I'm not sure what that distinction tells me though. I'm saying that I look at it differently. I'm saying there's a chasm of difference between an NBA player and a G League player, and how you do against guys who can't beat out Jake Layman for a spot on an NBA roster doesn't translate into how you're going to do against guys like Giannis. I mean, look at a player like Nowell...terrific in the G League, but an Eyechart often in the NBA. That's why I don't put much stock in G League performance unless someone is completely dominant down there. And while Green certainly had some highlight moments last year and showed off elite athleticism, I don't think his stats were all that impressive. Maybe he will eventually live up to his high draft position, but he's going to have to show me a lot more than what he showed in his first 2 games in the NBA or in the G League for me to be impressed by him.