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Camden wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Camden wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:Finding a Wolves trade with Simmons is a bit tricky because Philly no longer has George Hill's contract to ship out. While, I think a DLO plus draft picks for Ben works for the Wolves, its a bit hard to figure out how to turn the draft picks into players Philly would want and within the salary cap restraints. I found a trade that would works under the ESPN trade machine if Philly is willing to also willing to ship out Tobias Harris.

Timberwolves trade: DLO, Beasley, Beverley and 2022 first, 2024 first Timberwolves receive: Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris, Malachi Flynn
Philly trades: Simmons, Tobias Harris, Tolliver & 2024 first round pick: Philly receives: Siakam, DLO, Beverley, Wolves 2024 1st round pick
Toronto trades: Siakam, Flynn Toronto receives Beasley, Tolliver, Wolves 2022 and Philly 2024 first round pick

That doesn't make Philadelphia better this season... and it doesn't give them much for the future either.

It also leaves Minnesota extremely bare in terms of three-point shooting. Ben Simmons would leave one situation that had issues with clogged driving lanes and into another that had similar issues. Yay. The Wolves are back to playing basketball from the 1980's.

Salaries and picks aside... Ben Simmons and Tobias Harris replacing DLO and Beasley and Beverly still makes MN a much better team next season.

You're probably right, but hopefully you're smart enough to realize that Minnesota isn't getting Tobias Harris as a throw-in in any trade. That's what he is in the deal suggested above as it would take an outgoing package close to what was included for just Ben Simmons only. And good luck keeping Jaden McDaniels or Naz Reid in any of those scenarios. The whole cupboard would be emptied and that's assuming Philadelphia would even be interested in selling more of their pieces, which goes against everything reported about them wanting to remain in win-now mode.

Camden wrote:FNG, this team is in serious trouble if Naz Reid is one of the best shooters on the roster. Your post illustrates that he'd be exactly that. And look at the roster of last season's Sixers team. While it didn't have enough three-point shooting in the eyes of many, it did have much more than the skeleton of a Wolves team that you're alluding to having post-trade. Acquiring Ben Simmons is a good idea for all of the reasons you've explained above and in the past. Selling your best perimeter shooters -- and in this case a secondary creator -- in order to accomplish that just isn't the right move at this time.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Camden wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Camden wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:Finding a Wolves trade with Simmons is a bit tricky because Philly no longer has George Hill's contract to ship out. While, I think a DLO plus draft picks for Ben works for the Wolves, its a bit hard to figure out how to turn the draft picks into players Philly would want and within the salary cap restraints. I found a trade that would works under the ESPN trade machine if Philly is willing to also willing to ship out Tobias Harris.

Timberwolves trade: DLO, Beasley, Beverley and 2022 first, 2024 first Timberwolves receive: Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris, Malachi Flynn
Philly trades: Simmons, Tobias Harris, Tolliver & 2024 first round pick: Philly receives: Siakam, DLO, Beverley, Wolves 2024 1st round pick
Toronto trades: Siakam, Flynn Toronto receives Beasley, Tolliver, Wolves 2022 and Philly 2024 first round pick

That doesn't make Philadelphia better this season... and it doesn't give them much for the future either.

It also leaves Minnesota extremely bare in terms of three-point shooting. Ben Simmons would leave one situation that had issues with clogged driving lanes and into another that had similar issues. Yay. The Wolves are back to playing basketball from the 1980's.

Salaries and picks aside... Ben Simmons and Tobias Harris replacing DLO and Beasley and Beverly still makes MN a much better team next season.

You're probably right, but hopefully you're smart enough to realize that Minnesota isn't getting Tobias Harris as a throw-in in any trade. That's what he is in the deal suggested above as it would take an outgoing package close to what was included for just Ben Simmons only. And good luck keeping Jaden McDaniels or Naz Reid in any of those scenarios. The whole cupboard would be emptied and that's assuming Philadelphia would even be interested in selling more of their pieces, which goes against everything reported about them wanting to remain in win-now mode.

That was my point... I didn't see how that's a realistic trade for the 76ers.

Camden wrote:It's always interesting to me when we talk about trading for Ben Simmons (or other star talent) and D'Angelo Russell gets brought up. The voices here that usually knock him the hardest are also usually the ones that include him in these hypothetical trade packages to land a bonafide star. It's peculiar because if Russell was as poor of a basketball player or as much of a negative as he's made out to be, then why would the receiving team in any of these theoretical trades have ANY interest in him, especially in exchange for their top talent? Either he has value or he doesn't. Bash him and remain firm that he's not valuable, or change the tune of how he's discussed. The consistency is lacking at times. For those that maintain the belief that Russell is a negative and don't include him in such trade scenarios, then this doesn't apply to you and I applaud your steadiness.

I can comment on this because I don't include Russell in these trade scenarios. I don't believe he's a negative either. But as I've said 50 times, no GM from here on out is going to be stupid enough to take on DLO until his contract runs out. He is a Wolve and will be at least until such time his contract actually becomes a positive due to its' expiring nature.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:It's always interesting to me when we talk about trading for Ben Simmons (or other star talent) and D'Angelo Russell gets brought up. The voices here that usually knock him the hardest are also usually the ones that include him in these hypothetical trade packages to land a bonafide star. It's peculiar because if Russell was as poor of a basketball player or as much of a negative as he's made out to be, then why would the receiving team in any of these theoretical trades have ANY interest in him, especially in exchange for their top talent? Either he has value or he doesn't. Bash him and remain firm that he's not valuable, or change the tune of how he's discussed. The consistency is lacking at times. For those that maintain the belief that Russell is a negative and don't include him in such trade scenarios, then this doesn't apply to you and I applaud your steadiness.

I can comment on this because I don't include Russell in these trade scenarios. I don't believe he's a negative either. But as I've said 50 times, no GM from here on out is going to be stupid enough to take on DLO until his contract runs out. He is a Wolve and will be at least until such time his contract actually becomes a positive due to its' expiring nature.

Camden wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:It's always interesting to me when we talk about trading for Ben Simmons (or other star talent) and D'Angelo Russell gets brought up. The voices here that usually knock him the hardest are also usually the ones that include him in these hypothetical trade packages to land a bonafide star. It's peculiar because if Russell was as poor of a basketball player or as much of a negative as he's made out to be, then why would the receiving team in any of these theoretical trades have ANY interest in him, especially in exchange for their top talent? Either he has value or he doesn't. Bash him and remain firm that he's not valuable, or change the tune of how he's discussed. The consistency is lacking at times. For those that maintain the belief that Russell is a negative and don't include him in such trade scenarios, then this doesn't apply to you and I applaud your steadiness.

I can comment on this because I don't include Russell in these trade scenarios. I don't believe he's a negative either. But as I've said 50 times, no GM from here on out is going to be stupid enough to take on DLO until his contract runs out. He is a Wolve and will be at least until such time his contract actually becomes a positive due to its' expiring nature.

I'd argue that it's not a matter of other GM's being stupid or not. I don't think any GM from here on out would realistically even have a chance to acquire him. And I could probably make a list of teams that would jump at the opportunity should he become available Gersson Rosas has made it abundantly clear that he values D-Lo as part of the Wolves' core -- so much so that the trusted local reporters noted that Rosas was unwilling to include him in any offers for Ben Simmons. We'll see if that continues to be the case, but it certainly appears that Minnesota isn't even trying to entertain offers for him, if there even are any to entertain.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:It's always interesting to me when we talk about trading for Ben Simmons (or other star talent) and D'Angelo Russell gets brought up. The voices here that usually knock him the hardest are also usually the ones that include him in these hypothetical trade packages to land a bonafide star. It's peculiar because if Russell was as poor of a basketball player or as much of a negative as he's made out to be, then why would the receiving team in any of these theoretical trades have ANY interest in him, especially in exchange for their top talent? Either he has value or he doesn't. Bash him and remain firm that he's not valuable, or change the tune of how he's discussed. The consistency is lacking at times. For those that maintain the belief that Russell is a negative and don't include him in such trade scenarios, then this doesn't apply to you and I applaud your steadiness.

I can comment on this because I don't include Russell in these trade scenarios. I don't believe he's a negative either. But as I've said 50 times, no GM from here on out is going to be stupid enough to take on DLO until his contract runs out. He is a Wolve and will be at least until such time his contract actually becomes a positive due to its' expiring nature.

I'd argue that it's not a matter of other GM's being stupid or not. I don't think any GM from here on out would realistically even have a chance to acquire him. And I could probably make a list of teams that would jump at the opportunity should he become available Gersson Rosas has made it abundantly clear that he values D-Lo as part of the Wolves' core -- so much so that the trusted local reporters noted that Rosas was unwilling to include him in any offers for Ben Simmons. We'll see if that continues to be the case, but it certainly appears that Minnesota isn't even trying to entertain offers for him, if there even are any to entertain.

I'd like to see that list. Tell me which GM's would jump at the chance to obtain him given his current contract.

Camden wrote:It's always interesting to me when we talk about trading for Ben Simmons (or other star talent) and D'Angelo Russell gets brought up. The voices here that usually knock him the hardest are also usually the ones that include him in these hypothetical trade packages to land a bonafide star. It's peculiar because if Russell was as poor of a basketball player or as much of a negative as he's made out to be, then why would the receiving team in any of these theoretical trades have ANY interest in him, especially in exchange for their top talent? Either he has value or he doesn't. Bash him and remain firm that he's not valuable, or change the tune of how he's discussed. The consistency is lacking at times. For those that maintain the belief that Russell is a negative and don't include him in such trade scenarios, then this doesn't apply to you and I applaud your steadiness.