Uh isn't there supposed to be a game thread?

[kekgeek]

Quality tank job right there. Especially when it's the Kings when this loss could be a draft spot! Really best case scenario.

Do you legit believe that was good last night. I get losing but it the way we loss seems way more harmful then any ping pong ball could bring us?

[thedoper]

Yeah more heartbreak is just what this franchise needs right now. Maybe we can draft another player who barely belongs in the league. Rosas gets an F- for this season.

[Wolvesfan21]

I don't get too high or too low based on a meaningless game in a meaningless season. I don't think the players should or will either. That this one loss somehow carries over into the future to be detrimental on the organization and psyche of the players. It will be forgotten in no time. Every game should have equal meaning. Focus on the now, only way to live.

[kekgeek]

"We're not chasing wins. But at the same time, you don't put yourself in a situation where you lose a game like that. And that's on all of us." -- Gersson Rosas

Rosas joined @lakeshow73 and me postgame. Talked about the loss, and then Kobe.

Listen here:
https://t.co/4jkQKa31eS


From Dane Moore when he was on Henry lake last night

[thedoper]

"We're not chasing wins. But at the same time, you don't put yourself in a situation where you lose a game like that. And that's on all of us." -- Gersson Rosas

Rosas joined @lakeshow73 and me postgame. Talked about the loss, and then Kobe.

Listen here:
https://t.co/4jkQKa31eS


From Dane Moore when he was on Henry lake last night

What the hell? This is our leader. We're not trying to win or lose. We're just seeing what happens? Sounds like accountability wont be a factor in our culture change.

[kekgeek]

"We're not chasing wins. But at the same time, you don't put yourself in a situation where you lose a game like that. And that's on all of us." -- Gersson Rosas

Rosas joined @lakeshow73 and me postgame. Talked about the loss, and then Kobe.

Listen here:
https://t.co/4jkQKa31eS


From Dane Moore when he was on Henry lake last night

What the hell? This is our leader. We're not trying to win or lose. We're just seeing what happens? Sounds like accountability wont be a factor in our culture change.

Well this answers are we tanking or not discussion. It's sad. It's also sad that in this tank job no minutes to Naz or Nowell. In the season Wiggins takes a step (not max money but still a step) we don't give a F about winning games at all

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

It's hard to pinpoint exact cause and effect with a loss like this. So much has to go wrong. Not just poor coaching decisions, but multiple players playing with their hands around their neck. At the end of the day you just have to throw up your hands and attribute it to a culture of losing. Tanking and losing begets more losing and tanking, It's a vicious cycle which is why those of you cheering on the losses have mis-placed hopes in my opinion. Have we learned nothing in 30 years!?

This team could use a serious injection of toughness and attitude. Unfortunately, the last time we tried that our two young "stars" curled up into the fetal position because they couldn't handle it. Not sure what the answer is at this point as no system, coaching regime, or front office seems to be able to make a hill-of-beans worth of difference.

[thedoper]

It's hard to pinpoint exact cause and effect with a loss like this. So much has to go wrong. Not just poor coaching decisions, but multiple players playing with their hands around their neck. At the end of the day you just have to throw up your hands and attribute it to a culture of losing. Tanking and losing begets more losing and tanking, It's a vicious cycle which is why those of you cheering on the losses have mis-placed hopes in my opinion. Have we learned nothing in 30 years!?

This team could use a serious injection of toughness and attitude. Unfortunately, the last time we tried that our two young "stars" curled up into the fetal position because they couldn't handle it. Not sure what the answer is at this point as no system, coaching regime, or front office seems to be able to make a hill-of-beans worth of difference.

We should draft the kid from Kansas who picked up the chair.

[Wolvesfan21]

"We're not chasing wins. But at the same time, you don't put yourself in a situation where you lose a game like that. And that's on all of us." -- Gersson Rosas

Rosas joined @lakeshow73 and me postgame. Talked about the loss, and then Kobe.

Listen here:
https://t.co/4jkQKa31eS


From Dane Moore when he was on Henry lake last night

That's what I think happened after the 10-7 start, that Rosas talked to KAT or several players or the team about essentially tanking.

It's the only thing to me that made sense how the team did a complete 180 turn, went from good to that 11 game losing streak. I was going to post this thought earlier too, it's the only thing that makes sense to me on how they started fairly well then completely shifted.

I really think something from Rosas was said. Talking but player development, etc, over winning. The problem is, you are saying, I don't believe in you guys as players, that we need more talent to get better.

That's the problem with tanking in that you may even suffer player development during the tank. If you are not trying to win, how do you change the next season to "change the culture."

I'm more on the side that, we don't have enough talent to win a Championship. Does anyone else think we do? So then how do you acquire the talent to do so? By tanking?

[Lipoli390]

"We're not chasing wins. But at the same time, you don't put yourself in a situation where you lose a game like that. And that's on all of us." -- Gersson Rosas

Rosas joined @lakeshow73 and me postgame. Talked about the loss, and then Kobe.

Listen here:
https://t.co/4jkQKa31eS


From Dane Moore when he was on Henry lake last night

What the hell? This is our leader. We're not trying to win or lose. We're just seeing what happens? Sounds like accountability wont be a factor in our culture change.

Well this answers are we tanking or not discussion. It's sad. It's also sad that in this tank job no minutes to Naz or Nowell. In the season Wiggins takes a step (not max money but still a step) we don't give a F about winning games at all

Kekgeek - You make an important point that needs to be underscored. If this team is focused on development over wins, then they ought to be playing Nowell and giving more minutes to Naz, Martin, Vonleh and Bell (well, maybe not Bell). Apparently, Rosas said the team is focused on "developing the system." That seems like an odd comment. Good organizations develop players, not systems. And they adapt their systems to fit their players. I know we needed to modernize our offense, which included limiting our tendency to take a lot of long 2 pointers in favor of taking more 3-point shots. But there are limits to how far you can take that when you don't have the right personnel. More importantly, you still need to play defense; yet when KAT plays our two best defensive bigs sit - and Vonleh hardly ever players in spite of his talent and youth.

I'm probably one of the few on this board who can accept not focusing on wins this season, whether we call it tanking or not. But I'm only OK with it if it's part of an all-out focused effort to evaluate and develop young players within a system that puts them all in the best possible position to succeed. And ultimately, this future-focused approach only works if the organization makes smart draft and player acquisition decisions.