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[Carlos Danger]

Their field goal % at the rim and overall were historically bad. That's with Dieng playing big minutes at center as your rim protector pretty much the whole season.

There are lots of different stats and ways to measure a player. Win Shares, PER and VORP are my favorite as they incorporate a lot of different data. The anti Gorgui guys always point to FG% at the rim. I think that's an interesting stat. But it's only one stat and far from the end all for trying to determine a players overall worth. Interestingly, I found a "Rim Protection" stat which measures "Points Saved".

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

Dieng is pretty much in the middle of the pack which is where I'd expect a young, back up Center to be. But some of the names below Dieng I consider better defenders, which I think shows why we should never use one stat to determine a players value.

For all the anti-Dieng guys, it will be interesting to see if they blame Towns for "FG % at the rim" this year. I don't think it will get much better because the team defense issues remain. Of course, Rubio and KG should be much more help to Towns than Thad Young and LaVine were to Dieng - so there is some hope. But it hasn't looked great this preseason.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Their field goal % at the rim and overall were historically bad. That's with Dieng playing big minutes at center as your rim protector pretty much the whole season.

There are lots of different stats and ways to measure a player. Win Shares, PER and VORP are my favorite as they incorporate a lot of different data. The anti Gorgui guys always point to FG% at the rim. I think that's an interesting stat. But it's only one stat and far from the end all for trying to determine a players overall worth. Interestingly, I found a "Rim Protection" stat which measures "Points Saved".

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

Dieng is pretty much in the middle of the pack which is where I'd expect a young, back up Center to be. But some of the names below Dieng I consider better defenders, which I think shows why we should never use one stat to determine a players value.

For all the anti-Dieng guys, it will be interesting to see if they blame Towns for "FG % at the rim" this year. I don't think it will get much better because the team defense issues remain. Of course, Rubio and KG should be much more help to Towns than Thad Young and LaVine were to Dieng - so there is some hope. But it hasn't looked great this preseason.

Towns has had to play Kanter, both Gasols, Monroe and Valanciunas this pre-season. That's like 80% of the Centers in the entire league that are really good offensive players (not including Jonas in this conversation). A majority of teams don't have Centers anywhere near as offensively capable so this is pretty much as hard as it gets. Only throwing Cousins and Big Al at him could have made his life more difficult this pre-season. Hopefully this is a lesson next season to not stack your pre-season schedule with all playoff teams against such a young team. The games haven't been all that close and that's a huge downer heading into the year for these young guys. We should have been playing teams like Portland, LAL and Denver.

[Bayou Wolf [enjin:6635650]]

How much say do teams have in scheduling preseason games?

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

Their field goal % at the rim and overall were historically bad. That's with Dieng playing big minutes at center as your rim protector pretty much the whole season.

There are lots of different stats and ways to measure a player. Win Shares, PER and VORP are my favorite as they incorporate a lot of different data. The anti Gorgui guys always point to FG% at the rim. I think that's an interesting stat. But it's only one stat and far from the end all for trying to determine a players overall worth. Interestingly, I found a "Rim Protection" stat which measures "Points Saved".

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

Dieng is pretty much in the middle of the pack which is where I'd expect a young, back up Center to be. But some of the names below Dieng I consider better defenders, which I think shows why we should never use one stat to determine a players value.

For all the anti-Dieng guys, it will be interesting to see if they blame Towns for "FG % at the rim" this year. I don't think it will get much better because the team defense issues remain. Of course, Rubio and KG should be much more help to Towns than Thad Young and LaVine were to Dieng - so there is some hope. But it hasn't looked great this preseason.

Towns has had to play Kanter, both Gasols, Monroe and Valanciunas this pre-season. That's like 80% of the Centers in the entire league that are really good offensive players (not including Jonas in this conversation). A majority of teams don't have Centers anywhere near as offensively capable so this is pretty much as hard as it gets. Only throwing Cousins and Big Al at him could have made his life more difficult this pre-season. Hopefully this is a lesson next season to not stack your pre-season schedule with all playoff teams against such a young team. The games haven't been all that close and that's a huge downer heading into the year for these young guys. We should have been playing teams like Portland, LAL and Denver.

You're right that KAT has had some difficult matchups this preseason, khans, but I don't see it as a bad thing. Frankly, he's going to be overmatched by most centers he goes up against his first year, so maybe it doesn't hurt his confidence as much when he gets beat by a very good center. I watched him get pushed around by Tarik Black of the Lakers in Vegas, and I think he's their third string center. Much better for Karl's confidence to struggle against someone like Monroe than to struggle against someone like Black.

[Monster]

I am not as down after watching this game as everyone else.

Wolves couldn't buy some buckets even Martin just couldn't hit. They got a lot of good looks. They play a pretty unselfish brand of ball.

The defense wasn't great but guys were active they had their hands up and made some plays that way. I thought this was Dieng's best defense I have seen from him this preseason.

More about Dieng. His offense is still a little shocking how much he has to it. On defense he stayed grounded more and he also is like a Brewer slapping balls away. His performance in this game make me have no interest in trading him. Lol

I haven't seen any news yet today but I assume Lorenzo Brown gets cut but if he does we are gonna miss his D. He had some good moments and honestly he does pretty well on SGs.

Payne actually looked solid. He stayed with some quick guys and seemed in general more under control the whole time.

Bjelica not everything went right for him but I am really happy he is on the team.

Rubio looks completely healthy. He looks like Ricky for the most part. That's good news.

Levine I thought had a good stretch there in the early part of the 2nd quarter. At first I didn't like his D on PGs but in the 2nd half he had some better moments. I know he wasn't great in this game but he had some solid moments. He probably is a higher usage volume guy so I getbthebidea of playing him as the backup PG but I don't like it. Hopefully he breaks through quickly and gets into that starting lineup.

Towns had a tough time with Monroe but he will get some leeway on some of those calls in the future. Man he is talented.

Buzz did his thing. He was active on defense and I thought it was his best work which might not be saying much but hey I'll take whatever I can get.

It was fun to hear Tyus get boo'ed. I bet he actually got a kick out of that.

Some of those young bucks players are pretty good. Bucks fans and Wolves fans should enjoy each other's teams as hopefully both grow to be contenders.

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

I actually wasn't too discouraged after the game either, monster, and I think you summarized individual performances well. Let's face it, we're not going to win many games when our best shooter goes 0 for 10, and it's not going to happen to Martin often (if ever again).

I continue to be discouraged about our rebounding though. We were killed on the boards again last night, and I think we have been outrebounded in every pre-season game. Something has to change there if we intend to be competitive.

[Monster]

I actually wasn't too discouraged after the game either, monster, and I think you summarized individual performances well. Let's face it, we're not going to win many games when our best shooter goes 0 for 10, and it's not going to happen to Martin often (if ever again).

I continue to be discouraged about our rebounding though. We were killed on the boards again last night, and I think we have been outrebounded in every pre-season game. Something has to change there if we intend to be competitive.

Yeah LST rebounding was a big concern I did come away from this game with also. This team has the length to be a good rebounding team but other than Bazz it's kind of a weak skinny bunch.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

I actually wasn't too discouraged after the game either, monster, and I think you summarized individual performances well. Let's face it, we're not going to win many games when our best shooter goes 0 for 10, and it's not going to happen to Martin often (if ever again).

I continue to be discouraged about our rebounding though. We were killed on the boards again last night, and I think we have been outrebounded in every pre-season game. Something has to change there if we intend to be competitive.

Yeah LST rebounding was a big concern I did come away from this game with also. This team has the length to be a good rebounding team but other than Bazz it's kind of a weak skinny bunch.

More guys just need to help on the boards. We got 3 boards between Wiggins, Ricky and Prince and all 3 were from Wiggins. Bazz gave us 5 and he played more than Prince so I'll give us 8 boards from our main perimeter guys. They got 17 from Mayo, MCW and Middleton. 26 of their 41 rebounds came from their perimeter players. 14 of our 35 came from our perimeter guys.

[Monster]

I actually wasn't too discouraged after the game either, monster, and I think you summarized individual performances well. Let's face it, we're not going to win many games when our best shooter goes 0 for 10, and it's not going to happen to Martin often (if ever again).

I continue to be discouraged about our rebounding though. We were killed on the boards again last night, and I think we have been outrebounded in every pre-season game. Something has to change there if we intend to be competitive.

Yeah LST rebounding was a big concern I did come away from this game with also. This team has the length to be a good rebounding team but other than Bazz it's kind of a weak skinny bunch.

More guys just need to help on the boards. We got 3 boards between Wiggins, Ricky and Prince and all 3 were from Wiggins. Bazz gave us 5 and he played more than Prince so I'll give us 8 boards from our main perimeter guys. They got 17 from Mayo, MCW and Middleton. 26 of their 41 rebounds came from their perimeter players. 14 of our 35 came from our perimeter guys.

Yep good point. I suspect there will be better activity on the boards from perimeter players from the Wolves but the Bucks sure beat them to it last night big time.