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worldK wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

worldK wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

Camden wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

Camden wrote:Gibson/Snell/16/19 = Shit

Faried/Chandler/Fournier = Shit

Thompson/Lee/Barnes = Shit

McLemore/No. 8 = Better than the above three, but still shit.

6/17/Olynyk/2016 BRK 1st = Best offer supposedly on the table.

1/Waiters/Thompson = No rumors yet, but is the money package.

Cam, I think you're dreaming if you really think that Boston deal is on the table. And there are plenty of rumors about Cleveland...just today hoopshype said they were interested in Love, but anything involving #1 was a non-starter.

Three firsts and a backup PF is dreaming? That's the very least that should be on the table.

All these rumors could be bullshit, but if they are legit, I'm more than happy with keeping Love and starting the season with him as a T-Wolf.

Here's why I think that deal isn't real...because Ainge doesn't appear to me to be a riverboat gambler. GMs' second priority is to win, but their first priority is to keep their overpaid jobs. If Ainge gives up Olynyk (who was really good at the end of the year), #'s 6 and 17 in a strong draft, plus a Brooklyn pick that may turn out to be really good, and Love bolts at the end of the year, what chance does Ainge have of keeping his job? I would say about 10%. Ainge likes his paycheck too much to take that risk.

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Lst, I have to disagree here. Ainge is a gambler. A wise gambler and his job in boston is pretty secure. He brought a championship to boston and make them relevant again for 5-6 straight years. IF he can bring love to boston even without a guarantee of love signing an extention, it will revive basketball in the city again.

Having said that, I want no part of a deal with boston. #6 and olynykis not enough. #17 and other future picks(likely non lottery) are not ideal.

I admire your optimism, world...you and several others here...in thinking that we're going to get something better than that rumored Boston deal. It makes me feel that maybe I'm being too pessimistic here...not my usual role. But I just don't think the league values Love for only one sure year as much as we do.

I know where your coming from lst. But we have to aim higher. We are trading away a superstar here. Also keep in mind that whoever trades for love gets to pay him a lot more than what other teams gets to pay him when he opts out in 2015. That should be a factor lst. If that team can make the playoffs, have a good nucleus and ability to pay him 20m more, then thats tempting.

World, I'm looking at your last sentence, and if that's true, why shouldn't Flip just try to retain Love? After drafting this year and optimizing last year's picks (and getting rid of JJ), the Wolves can make the playoffs, have a good nucleus and pay him $20 million more. No sure it's that simple...Love's quirky personality and lack of loyalty complicates things.

Camden wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

Camden wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

Camden wrote:Gibson/Snell/16/19 = Shit

Faried/Chandler/Fournier = Shit

Thompson/Lee/Barnes = Shit

McLemore/No. 8 = Better than the above three, but still shit.

6/17/Olynyk/2016 BRK 1st = Best offer supposedly on the table.

1/Waiters/Thompson = No rumors yet, but is the money package.

Cam, I think you're dreaming if you really think that Boston deal is on the table. And there are plenty of rumors about Cleveland...just today hoopshype said they were interested in Love, but anything involving #1 was a non-starter.

Three firsts and a backup PF is dreaming? That's the very least that should be on the table.

All these rumors could be bullshit, but if they are legit, I'm more than happy with keeping Love and starting the season with him as a T-Wolf.

Here's why I think that deal isn't real...because Ainge doesn't appear to me to be a riverboat gambler. GMs' second priority is to win, but their first priority is to keep their overpaid jobs. If Ainge gives up Olynyk (who was really good at the end of the year), #'s 6 and 17 in a strong draft, plus a Brooklyn pick that may turn out to be really good, and Love bolts at the end of the year, what chance does Ainge have of keeping his job? I would say about 10%. Ainge likes his paycheck too much to take that risk.

Did you miss the part where Ainge already said he'd trade for a player without a guarantee of him re-signing? Yeah... that happened. http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/ainge-would-consider-trading-player-without-contract-extension

I also think Love would re-sign with Boston. Rondo/Love with Green and/or Bradley on the team. Likely a playoff team with the attraction to add another significant piece.

Cam is right. I'll add that a Love/Rondo/Green combo with Bradley, Sullinger and other pieces would be more than just a playoff team in the anemic East. They'd have a very good shot at the upper half of the playoff seeding and advancement. It's silly to think the Celtics would say no to acquiring Love, the best PF in the League and perennial all-star just entering his prime, because they want to hold onto two mid first round picks an unknown extra future pick and Olynyk. Love's trip to Boston was a clear sign he'd love to play there and I have little doubt he'd re-sign there.

longstrangetrip wrote:

worldK wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

worldK wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

Camden wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

Camden wrote:Gibson/Snell/16/19 = Shit

Faried/Chandler/Fournier = Shit

Thompson/Lee/Barnes = Shit

McLemore/No. 8 = Better than the above three, but still shit.

6/17/Olynyk/2016 BRK 1st = Best offer supposedly on the table.

1/Waiters/Thompson = No rumors yet, but is the money package.

Cam, I think you're dreaming if you really think that Boston deal is on the table. And there are plenty of rumors about Cleveland...just today hoopshype said they were interested in Love, but anything involving #1 was a non-starter.

Three firsts and a backup PF is dreaming? That's the very least that should be on the table.

All these rumors could be bullshit, but if they are legit, I'm more than happy with keeping Love and starting the season with him as a T-Wolf.

Here's why I think that deal isn't real...because Ainge doesn't appear to me to be a riverboat gambler. GMs' second priority is to win, but their first priority is to keep their overpaid jobs. If Ainge gives up Olynyk (who was really good at the end of the year), #'s 6 and 17 in a strong draft, plus a Brooklyn pick that may turn out to be really good, and Love bolts at the end of the year, what chance does Ainge have of keeping his job? I would say about 10%. Ainge likes his paycheck too much to take that risk.

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Lst, I have to disagree here. Ainge is a gambler. A wise gambler and his job in boston is pretty secure. He brought a championship to boston and make them relevant again for 5-6 straight years. IF he can bring love to boston even without a guarantee of love signing an extention, it will revive basketball in the city again.

Having said that, I want no part of a deal with boston. #6 and olynykis not enough. #17 and other future picks(likely non lottery) are not ideal.

I admire your optimism, world...you and several others here...in thinking that we're going to get something better than that rumored Boston deal. It makes me feel that maybe I'm being too pessimistic here...not my usual role. But I just don't think the league values Love for only one sure year as much as we do.

I know where your coming from lst. But we have to aim higher. We are trading away a superstar here. Also keep in mind that whoever trades for love gets to pay him a lot more than what other teams gets to pay him when he opts out in 2015. That should be a factor lst. If that team can make the playoffs, have a good nucleus and ability to pay him 20m more, then thats tempting.

World, I'm looking at your last sentence, and if that's true, why shouldn't Flip just try to retain Love? After drafting this year and optimizing last year's picks (and getting rid of JJ), the Wolves can make the playoffs, have a good nucleus and pay him $20 million more. No sure it's that simple...Love's quirky personality and lack of loyalty complicates things.

Lst, In a perfect world, thats what I would hope for. Ive been saying since last season that we should do everything to build around love/rubio core this season before trading love. But the situation changed. Love himself has a hand in turning this into a must trade him scenario. I dont thinks its smart for us to keep love on the roster now. Of course he could have a change of heart and swear commitment to the wolves for this season but he hasn't done that.

Ideally, a trade involving him would move him to the east where its easier to make the playoffs and more.