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LST - hence one of the main reasons we haven't been able to make the playoffs with Kevin Love.

saying Love is overrated and he isn't a 2 way player and they don't win championships is just lazy analysis. Here are the facts;
4th in scoring
3rd in rebounding
1st in assists for PF
25 years old

Show me another player in history with numbers like those

alexftbl8181 wrote:saying Love is overrated and he isn't a 2 way player and they don't win championships is just lazy analysis. Here are the facts;
4th in scoring
3rd in rebounding
1st in assists for PF
25 years old

Show me another player in history with numbers like those

Those are all facts, but you won't find another player in history with those numbers and his abysmal win percentage either. He a unique player for all of his positive and negative traits. I love his game, but if I was a fan or gm of another team I would be wary about investing everything into him, only because he hasn't been playoff tested. I think that is why it is really such a mystery what we would actually end up getting for him. That is all that is happening now with the mixed analysis. I don't think that many sane people claim he is vastly overrated, almost everyone who watches the game have him in the top 3 at his position. Pretty much all ratings of him converge on him being gifted offensively, a relentless rebounder, and a liability on D. That is a totally fair analysis from the other side. I would love it if we could get another team to buy into more than that and I hope we do if we are going to trade him because Jared Sullinger or Kelly Olynk make me want to vomit.

thedoper wrote:

alexftbl8181 wrote:saying Love is overrated and he isn't a 2 way player and they don't win championships is just lazy analysis. Here are the facts;
4th in scoring
3rd in rebounding
1st in assists for PF
25 years old

Show me another player in history with numbers like those

Those are all facts, but you won't find another player in history with those numbers and his abysmal win percentage either. He a unique player for all of his positive and negative traits. I love his game, but if I was a fan or gm of another team I would be wary about investing everything into him, only because he hasn't been playoff tested. I think that is why it is really such a mystery what we would actually end up getting for him. That is all that is happening now with the mixed analysis. I don't think that many sane people claim he is vastly overrated, almost everyone who watches the game have him in the top 3 at his position. Pretty much all ratings of him converge on him being gifted offensively, a relentless rebounder, and a liability on D. That is a totally fair analysis from the other side. I would love it if we could get another team to buy into more than that and I hope we do if we are going to trade him because Jared Sullinger or Kelly Olynk make me want to vomit.

If the Wolves had drafted Curry, they would be no question of his winning %

CoolBreeze44 wrote:I think Olynyk, Green, and #6 is laughable. I really do. I am 100% confident that we can do better than that if we trade him the night of the draft. If we can't, by all means keep him and see what happens. Flip would be painted a worse version of David Kahn if he made that deal.

I agree with you cool, I can't believe some are almost clamoring for that deal. Maybe they're just lowering expectations and hoping any bit more Boston offers would be gravy. There's got to be more [like all the Brooklyn picks as well] or else, yeah, a season of Kevin Love and the 2% chance he re-signs is worth more than that.

was lebron somehow a worse player in Cleveland then with Miami? that thats the reason the heat won the title and the cavs didn't?

alexftbl8181 wrote:was lebron somehow a worse player in Cleveland then with Miami? that thats the reason the heat won the title and the cavs didn't?

LeBron took a dismal Cavs roster to the finals in 2007. Could Kevin Love have done that?

foye2smith wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:I think Olynyk, Green, and #6 is laughable. I really do. I am 100% confident that we can do better than that if we trade him the night of the draft. If we can't, by all means keep him and see what happens. Flip would be painted a worse version of David Kahn if he made that deal.

I agree with you cool, I can't believe some are almost clamoring for that deal. Maybe they're just lowering expectations and hoping any bit more Boston offers would be gravy. There's got to be more [like all the Brooklyn picks as well] or else, yeah, a season of Kevin Love and the 2% chance he re-signs is worth more than that.

I am favoring a Celtics deal because A. I like the PF prospects at 6. I like the potential at pick 17. I like the potential of the Brooklyn picks. I like, not love, Olynyk and Sullinger. They would not be centerpieces for me. Green and Bradley, I can do without, however, the way salaries line up between the teams likely means that the Wolves will have to take back someone like Green or Wallace in order to send someone with Love.

I have a feeling if this deal gains traction, Ainge will want to keep Green and/or Wallace to compete now, anyway. He might leverage the amount of picks available against adding additional years of salary in guys like Martin and Budinger. If it came down to one or the other, I'd want the additional picks vs dumping Bud or KMart.

That said, the most likely deal is Love for Bass, Bogans, Olynyk, #6, #17 and hopefully some or all of the Brooklyn picks. Those Nets picks tip the scale compared to the Cavs trade IMO.

I'm on board with Coolbreaz and thedoper with regards to the return we need to expect from Love. If Boston is our trade partner, I don't just want, I expect at the very least the #6 pick and Brooklyn's 2015 (and perhaps 2018) unprotected pick in return, plus Olynyk or Sullinger.

Lip, I respectfully disagree that Flip should take what he can get for Love. I also disagree with the notion that it's a given that we lose Love if we don't trade him. In addition to leaving a possible playoff team in the Wolves, Love has 26.5 million reasons to stay here more than any other team. You may assume that's a given but players rarely walk away from that type of money....there are only a few examples, and I'm not convinced Love would do it if we called his bluff.

longstrange, I think what you're overlooking there is the fact that you were listening to radio guys talk about Love. Let's face it, much of the national media doesn't know much about the Wolves. They think Rubio is a pourous defender who can pass and do nothing else even at a reasonable level, when in fact he was #2 in steals, #4 in assists, and one of the top (if not the top) rebounder at the position as well. Love is definitely not a plus defender, but like Lip said, like Love or hate him, he's widely regarded as the #1 PF in the NBA...and although KG was a better overall player in his prime, KG was at the end of his prime when he left the Wolves, while Love is about to enter his prime at age 25. KG was what? Like 32 or so when we traded him I believe?

I believe Flip has to be flexible. Pull the trigger on a trade if it blows you away ala the Cavs could or Boston 'could', but don't dare settle with a team that has the assets to put more onto the table. If they want an elite player and don't want to have to convince him in FA, then they'll pony up now...and if not, let's play some chicken.

alexftbl8181 wrote:saying Love is overrated and he isn't a 2 way player and they don't win championships is just lazy analysis. Here are the facts;
4th in scoring
3rd in rebounding
1st in assists for PF
25 years old

Show me another player in history with numbers like those

Interestingly enough, I bet if you looked at KGs stats in his prime they'd look very similar