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Re: OT - City of Minneapolis
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:28 pm
by TheGrey08
Q12543 wrote:
That's unfortunate you feel that way wildwolf. Keep in mind that the jury selection system is not "rigged" and allows the prosecution and defense to vet jurors for bias in either direction. In addition, I would argue that the jury is under enormous outside pressure to convict.
I'd be curious to know your thoughts on a better system for such a trial. You are implying with your statement that you and "many others" think he is guilty. So should we crowd-source the process and let folks like you and me vote on whether he is guilty or not based on what we have read and seen in the media?
I would expect nothing less when a situation is so clearly morally and professionally wrong. When his own Chief and fellow officers testified against him (far more rare for fellow officers to do so)
Re: OT - City of Minneapolis
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:31 pm
by Crazysauce
Murder charge is a joke. The others should have stuck. Funny nobodies making a big deal of the Burnsville guy who was just shot an killed. Ohh wait, that's right. He was white.
Also blacks are not killed disproportionately when you simply factor in the percent of violent crimes that are committed by them. That would be 61 percent. Kind of crazy when they make up for 13 percent of the population.
Re: OT - City of Minneapolis
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:42 pm
by TheGrey08
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Well... not in the courtroom... but whenever we went back to the holding pen or whatever... we could do what we wanted.
What's interesting is that during jury selection, they asked SO MANY race questions that I actually thought the bald defendant was a white supremacist or something (before they told us what the alleged crime was). He was not. And race had nothing to do with the alleged victim nor defendant. Best guess is that they were asked because the prosecuting lawyer and one of the cops were minorities.
So I can't even imagine how much they focused on it during the Chauvin trial jury selection.
To me it's very logical to ask race, sex, age, etc related questions. Any potential juror who indicates any prejudice should be sent home IMO.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:
Both Biden and Waters are complicit in the riots that are about to ensue. Neither one of those cretins are running the country, so they should have just kept their cocksuckers shut. I'll be staying out of Portland this week, and would encourage my friends on the board to do the same, no matter what major city you are near.
"cretins"... "cocksuckers"...
Easy there, fella. Chill. Relax. Calm down. Take it easy. Breathe...in. Breathe... out.
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Back to the land of the calm and collected... yes. Ideally, Biden wouldn't have said anything. Let this already politically/racially charged event run its course in our judicial system without any public-influencing opinions (even if thinly veiled like Biden did).
Even though he didn't come remotely close to saying anything like Waters did... those who are against his "cocksucking cretin" type is going to paint the lines in bright neon colors to try to equate the two. And that's too bad. It causes further discord... even if it's at the feet of those who come unhinged online or elsewhere.
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I still say these threads have no place on the Wolves forum. And I think we all know why...
Yep, people love to twist and spew a narrative. I'm sure in terms of stances on issues I probably agree a lot with Waters (haven't paid close attention to her stances), but what she did was bullshit and stupid. I fully understand telling people to figuratively fight for what's right, but they cannot and should not cross the line of inciting people. People in general need to be bigger brained and think about how their statements (especially public figures) will help or hurt the cause, help or hurt the situation, etc.
Re: OT - City of Minneapolis
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:47 pm
by TheGrey08
PorkChop wrote:Immigration in the 1920's when the countries population was around 120 mil is different than immigration now when the population is snowballing towards 400 mil.
Quite frankly the majority of the worlds problems stems from overpopulation of people. No I don't know how to solve that problem but I don't believe a country is ever better off by increasing its populations when it already struggles to take care of the people already there.
One of the top richest countries in the world struggling to take care of its people? That's greed my friend.
Re: OT - City of Minneapolis
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:48 pm
by TheGrey08
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Not surprised at all. What else were frightened jurors going to do?
Why the assumption that they were frightened and not that they made the obvious decision about right and wrong?
CoolBreeze44 wrote:
Cool you are better than that. You already made up your mind did next to no research on the trial and are now making what sounds like a irrefutable claim. Like I said you are better than that.
I don't understand Monster. What did I say that was wrong? You don't think these jurors knew what was at stake? Maybe they got it right, maybe they didn't. But
the process was only heading in one direction, and I think that's too bad.
What direction/how do you think the process should have been?
PS: both honest questions.
Re: OT - City of Minneapolis
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:52 pm
by Monster
CoolBreeze44 wrote:monsterpile wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:WildWolf2813 wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:WildWolf2813 wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:Not surprised at all. What else were frightened jurors going to do?
Im not surprised by your reaction. I'll leave it at that.
I'm not saying whether I agree or not with the verdict, I'm simply saying it was a no brainer. If you have something to say, say it.
Anyone who has done jury duty knows if the nature of a case frightens you, you don't get selected. Even if you weren't, you'd say so just to get out of being part of the 12. If you wanna knock anyone then knock the judge for selecting frightened jurors.
If anything, be mad at the fact that they wasted little time deliberating.
I'm not mad at all. You were never going to find jurors in this case who weren't frightened. I mean that's just a fact. I didn't watch any of the trial, only read a little about it. I have no opinion on whether he should have been convicted or not. Just saying the trial was over before it started. And if you were on edge about what the decision was going to be, you shouldn't have been.
Cool you are better than that. You already made up your mind did next to no research on the trial and are now making what sounds like a irrefutable claim. Like I said you are better than that.
I don't understand Monster. What did I say that was wrong? You don't think these jurors knew what was at stake? Maybe they got it right, maybe they didn't. But the process was only heading in one direction, and I think that's too bad.
So you don't believe in the process at all?
Re: OT - City of Minneapolis
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:53 pm
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
TheGrey08 wrote:Q12543 wrote:
That's unfortunate you feel that way wildwolf. Keep in mind that the jury selection system is not "rigged" and allows the prosecution and defense to vet jurors for bias in either direction. In addition, I would argue that the jury is under enormous outside pressure to convict.
I'd be curious to know your thoughts on a better system for such a trial. You are implying with your statement that you and "many others" think he is guilty. So should we crowd-source the process and let folks like you and me vote on whether he is guilty or not based on what we have read and seen in the media?
I would expect nothing less when a situation is so clearly morally and professionally wrong. When his own Chief and fellow officers testified against him (far more rare for fellow officers to do so)
But the larger point of my response to Wildwolf is that he assumed the system is rigged to acquit Chauvin without providing any evidence and without suggesting a better alternative to the process of jury selection and our trial system. It turns out he was wrong.
Re: OT - City of Minneapolis
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:56 pm
by thedoper
Good Job Minnesota.
Re: OT - City of Minneapolis
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:58 pm
by Porckchop
TheGrey08 wrote:PorkChop wrote:Immigration in the 1920's when the countries population was around 120 mil is different than immigration now when the population is snowballing towards 400 mil.
Quite frankly the majority of the worlds problems stems from overpopulation of people. No I don't know how to solve that problem but I don't believe a country is ever better off by increasing its populations when it already struggles to take care of the people already there.
One of the top richest countries in the world struggling to take care of its people? That's greed my friend.
You can call it whatever you want, doesn't change the fact that people are struggling. And reality is the greed you speak of isn't going away. No matter how much you, I or anyone else thinks it should.
Re: OT - City of Minneapolis
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:59 pm
by TheGrey08
Murder charge is a joke. The others should have stuck. Funny nobodies making a big deal of the Burnsville guy who was just shot an killed. Ohh wait, that's right. He was white.
Also blacks are not killed disproportionately when you simply factor in the percent of violent crimes that are committed by them. That would be 61 percent. Kind of crazy when they make up for 13 percent of the population.
crazysauce wrote:Murder charge is a joke. The others should have stuck. Funny nobodies making a big deal of the Burnsville guy who was just shot an killed. Ohh wait, that's right. He was white.
Also blacks are not killed disproportionately when you simply factor in the percent of violent crimes that are committed by them. That would be 61 percent. Kind of crazy when they make up for 13 percent of the population.
First, where are you getting these stats?
filter by adult
https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2&selYrs=2019&rdoGroups=3&rdoData=c
Second, another factor is gang on gang crime.