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khans2k5 wrote:BizarroJerry wrote:khans2k5 wrote:The Rage Monster wrote:It's the first summer league game so naturally we need to make decisions about players now. I liked Dunn's game last night but he's certainly no Rubio. His shot seems even less reliable and his passing is solid but more out of his convenience than trying to get guys easy looks. His defense was really good and I can see him taking the tougher match up at either PG or SG, kind of how Klay Thompson does.
So in a game where he goes 10/18 from the field and 1/2 from 3, his shot seems less reliable than a career 37% shooter. Come on. Ricky is one of the worst shooters of all time and Dunn is acceptable, but not great. Everyone needs to get off the Dunn is a bad jump shooter train. He's serviceable which is more than Ricky ever has been or will be. Stop comparing their shots. It's not close. Ricky is horrible. Also, Dunn created two wide open corner three's in the first couple possessions of the game last night as a result of his vision and dribble penetration. That's what modern NBA playmaking is. You penetrate the defense and if the shot isn't there you dish it to the open guy. You're not supposed to penetrate the defense looking for the pass. You're supposed to look for the easy bucket first and then pass out of it if it isn't there. If Ricky was playing last night we would have been destroyed because nobody was hitting the open looks Tyus and Dunn got people. Dunn is the reason that was a game because he of the 27 points he scored efficiently. Ricky can't do that and that's why Dunn has the potential to be a better option at PG in the future. Dunn made plenty of plays last night that weren't converted. He's a different player than Ricky so let's stop comparing him to Ricky.
Ricky would have been "destroyed" by some d-leaguers last night? Is that what you're really saying?
Our team would have been destroyed because everyone he would pass to would miss their shots like they did last night. An elite passer doesn't contribute much to winning if the guys he passes to don't make their shots. Add to that Ricky isn't putting up 27 points in pretty much any game and we would have been destroyed.
BizarroJerry wrote:khans2k5 wrote:BizarroJerry wrote:khans2k5 wrote:The Rage Monster wrote:It's the first summer league game so naturally we need to make decisions about players now. I liked Dunn's game last night but he's certainly no Rubio. His shot seems even less reliable and his passing is solid but more out of his convenience than trying to get guys easy looks. His defense was really good and I can see him taking the tougher match up at either PG or SG, kind of how Klay Thompson does.
So in a game where he goes 10/18 from the field and 1/2 from 3, his shot seems less reliable than a career 37% shooter. Come on. Ricky is one of the worst shooters of all time and Dunn is acceptable, but not great. Everyone needs to get off the Dunn is a bad jump shooter train. He's serviceable which is more than Ricky ever has been or will be. Stop comparing their shots. It's not close. Ricky is horrible. Also, Dunn created two wide open corner three's in the first couple possessions of the game last night as a result of his vision and dribble penetration. That's what modern NBA playmaking is. You penetrate the defense and if the shot isn't there you dish it to the open guy. You're not supposed to penetrate the defense looking for the pass. You're supposed to look for the easy bucket first and then pass out of it if it isn't there. If Ricky was playing last night we would have been destroyed because nobody was hitting the open looks Tyus and Dunn got people. Dunn is the reason that was a game because he of the 27 points he scored efficiently. Ricky can't do that and that's why Dunn has the potential to be a better option at PG in the future. Dunn made plenty of plays last night that weren't converted. He's a different player than Ricky so let's stop comparing him to Ricky.
Ricky would have been "destroyed" by some d-leaguers last night? Is that what you're really saying?
Our team would have been destroyed because everyone he would pass to would miss their shots like they did last night. An elite passer doesn't contribute much to winning if the guys he passes to don't make their shots. Add to that Ricky isn't putting up 27 points in pretty much any game and we would have been destroyed.
Oh I see, WE would have been destroyed because you know for sure that Ricky wouldn't have been able to score like Dunn last night. Got it.
longstrangetrip wrote:The Rage Monster wrote:It's the first summer league game so naturally we need to make decisions about players now. I liked Dunn's game last night but he's certainly no Rubio. His shot seems even less reliable and his passing is solid but more out of his convenience than trying to get guys easy looks. His defense was really good and I can see him taking the tougher match up at either PG or SG, kind of how Klay Thompson does.
Ha, I hope nobody is making any decisions about players after one game. But it sure is fun to share observations about players we don't know much about yet. Of course Dunn is no Rubio, and it's unfair to even compare them...and the idea of installing Dun as a starting PG is preposterous. In a game like last night, Rubio would have created 10-15 easy baskets for teammates...I only recall Dunn creating 1 easy look. And while Dunn showed himself to be an exciting, disruptive defender, he also bit on a couple silly fakes and fouled far too much. He was certainly impressive on defense last night, but he's not in Ricky's class defensively yet and shouldn't be expected to be.
All that said, it was an impressive first night for Dunn...I'm eagerly looking forward to the next one on Sunday!
khans2k5 wrote:The Rage Monster wrote:It's the first summer league game so naturally we need to make decisions about players now. I liked Dunn's game last night but he's certainly no Rubio. His shot seems even less reliable and his passing is solid but more out of his convenience than trying to get guys easy looks. His defense was really good and I can see him taking the tougher match up at either PG or SG, kind of how Klay Thompson does.
So in a game where he goes 10/18 from the field and 1/2 from 3, his shot seems less reliable than a career 37% shooter. Come on. Ricky is one of the worst shooters of all time and Dunn is acceptable, but not great. Everyone needs to get off the Dunn is a bad jump shooter train. He's serviceable which is more than Ricky ever has been or will be. Stop comparing their shots. It's not close. Ricky is horrible. Also, Dunn created two wide open corner three's in the first couple possessions of the game last night as a result of his vision and dribble penetration. That's what modern NBA playmaking is. You penetrate the defense and if the shot isn't there you dish it to the open guy. You're not supposed to penetrate the defense looking for the pass. You're supposed to look for the easy bucket first and then pass out of it if it isn't there. If Ricky was playing last night we would have been destroyed because nobody was hitting the open looks Tyus and Dunn got people. Dunn is the reason that was a game because he of the 27 points he scored efficiently. Ricky can't do that and that's why Dunn has the potential to be a better option at PG in the future. Dunn made plenty of plays last night that weren't converted. He's a different player than Ricky so let's stop comparing him to Ricky.
The Rage Monster wrote:khans2k5 wrote:The Rage Monster wrote:It's the first summer league game so naturally we need to make decisions about players now. I liked Dunn's game last night but he's certainly no Rubio. His shot seems even less reliable and his passing is solid but more out of his convenience than trying to get guys easy looks. His defense was really good and I can see him taking the tougher match up at either PG or SG, kind of how Klay Thompson does.
So in a game where he goes 10/18 from the field and 1/2 from 3, his shot seems less reliable than a career 37% shooter. Come on. Ricky is one of the worst shooters of all time and Dunn is acceptable, but not great. Everyone needs to get off the Dunn is a bad jump shooter train. He's serviceable which is more than Ricky ever has been or will be. Stop comparing their shots. It's not close. Ricky is horrible. Also, Dunn created two wide open corner three's in the first couple possessions of the game last night as a result of his vision and dribble penetration. That's what modern NBA playmaking is. You penetrate the defense and if the shot isn't there you dish it to the open guy. You're not supposed to penetrate the defense looking for the pass. You're supposed to look for the easy bucket first and then pass out of it if it isn't there. If Ricky was playing last night we would have been destroyed because nobody was hitting the open looks Tyus and Dunn got people. Dunn is the reason that was a game because he of the 27 points he scored efficiently. Ricky can't do that and that's why Dunn has the potential to be a better option at PG in the future. Dunn made plenty of plays last night that weren't converted. He's a different player than Ricky so let's stop comparing him to Ricky.
I'm talking about actual jump shots, not layups. I didn't keep count but he was like 3/9 on actual shots and only 60% from the line. He did score efficiently overall and if he can get to the rim that easily against actual NBA interior defense that's great, it would seem unlikely though. Your definition of play making is laughable, saying you need to look for your shot first makes zero sense and would result in pretty selfish basketball. GS is a great example of this, when that team was really going during the season they were making plays for others by passing up easy shots for teammates to hit easier shots.
Again I'm not the one who made the original comparison, just commenting on it since I finally had a chance to watch a complete game.
khans2k5 wrote:BizarroJerry wrote:khans2k5 wrote:BizarroJerry wrote:khans2k5 wrote:The Rage Monster wrote:It's the first summer league game so naturally we need to make decisions about players now. I liked Dunn's game last night but he's certainly no Rubio. His shot seems even less reliable and his passing is solid but more out of his convenience than trying to get guys easy looks. His defense was really good and I can see him taking the tougher match up at either PG or SG, kind of how Klay Thompson does.
So in a game where he goes 10/18 from the field and 1/2 from 3, his shot seems less reliable than a career 37% shooter. Come on. Ricky is one of the worst shooters of all time and Dunn is acceptable, but not great. Everyone needs to get off the Dunn is a bad jump shooter train. He's serviceable which is more than Ricky ever has been or will be. Stop comparing their shots. It's not close. Ricky is horrible. Also, Dunn created two wide open corner three's in the first couple possessions of the game last night as a result of his vision and dribble penetration. That's what modern NBA playmaking is. You penetrate the defense and if the shot isn't there you dish it to the open guy. You're not supposed to penetrate the defense looking for the pass. You're supposed to look for the easy bucket first and then pass out of it if it isn't there. If Ricky was playing last night we would have been destroyed because nobody was hitting the open looks Tyus and Dunn got people. Dunn is the reason that was a game because he of the 27 points he scored efficiently. Ricky can't do that and that's why Dunn has the potential to be a better option at PG in the future. Dunn made plenty of plays last night that weren't converted. He's a different player than Ricky so let's stop comparing him to Ricky.
Ricky would have been "destroyed" by some d-leaguers last night? Is that what you're really saying?
Our team would have been destroyed because everyone he would pass to would miss their shots like they did last night. An elite passer doesn't contribute much to winning if the guys he passes to don't make their shots. Add to that Ricky isn't putting up 27 points in pretty much any game and we would have been destroyed.
Oh I see, WE would have been destroyed because you know for sure that Ricky wouldn't have been able to score like Dunn last night. Got it.
Read the quote next time troll. I literally said "we" would get destroyed the first go around. I never said Ricky would get destroyed. And I do know Ricky can't score like that. Anyone who watches Ricky knows he can't score like that. Get over it. It's not happening. Playing against D-League competition doesn't all of a sudden make him a great finisher and jump shooter.
khans2k5 wrote:The Rage Monster wrote:khans2k5 wrote:The Rage Monster wrote:It's the first summer league game so naturally we need to make decisions about players now. I liked Dunn's game last night but he's certainly no Rubio. His shot seems even less reliable and his passing is solid but more out of his convenience than trying to get guys easy looks. His defense was really good and I can see him taking the tougher match up at either PG or SG, kind of how Klay Thompson does.
So in a game where he goes 10/18 from the field and 1/2 from 3, his shot seems less reliable than a career 37% shooter. Come on. Ricky is one of the worst shooters of all time and Dunn is acceptable, but not great. Everyone needs to get off the Dunn is a bad jump shooter train. He's serviceable which is more than Ricky ever has been or will be. Stop comparing their shots. It's not close. Ricky is horrible. Also, Dunn created two wide open corner three's in the first couple possessions of the game last night as a result of his vision and dribble penetration. That's what modern NBA playmaking is. You penetrate the defense and if the shot isn't there you dish it to the open guy. You're not supposed to penetrate the defense looking for the pass. You're supposed to look for the easy bucket first and then pass out of it if it isn't there. If Ricky was playing last night we would have been destroyed because nobody was hitting the open looks Tyus and Dunn got people. Dunn is the reason that was a game because he of the 27 points he scored efficiently. Ricky can't do that and that's why Dunn has the potential to be a better option at PG in the future. Dunn made plenty of plays last night that weren't converted. He's a different player than Ricky so let's stop comparing him to Ricky.
I'm talking about actual jump shots, not layups. I didn't keep count but he was like 3/9 on actual shots and only 60% from the line. He did score efficiently overall and if he can get to the rim that easily against actual NBA interior defense that's great, it would seem unlikely though. Your definition of play making is laughable, saying you need to look for your shot first makes zero sense and would result in pretty selfish basketball. GS is a great example of this, when that team was really going during the season they were making plays for others by passing up easy shots for teammates to hit easier shots.
Again I'm not the one who made the original comparison, just commenting on it since I finally had a chance to watch a complete game.
My definition of playmaking is what a majority of the league does in today's game. Ricky's style of play at the point is significantly outnumbered by the rest of the league. Lebron, Westbrook, Lillard, Kyrie, Lowry and on and on. All guys who attack the basket to score and dish the ball when a shot opens up as a result of their attacking. They don't attack the basket to open up passing lanes because you don't know how the defense will rotate until you are already driving the lane. You drive to score and then pass if it opens up.