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Re: Wolves offseason outlook.

Posted: Wed May 20, 2026 4:01 pm
by Q-is-here
Coolbreeze44 wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 3:04 pm I get it, when you have bold opinions and you're willing to throw them out there, you invite a lot of pushback and criticism. It's not like this is the first time I've been panned for doing it. But look at my track record. I've been accurate on several topics that have been challenged just like this one is. Nobody ever remembers those after the fact. I think Ant is a top 7-15 player in the league, is that so terrible? If that means I hate Ant I guess it's true.
You claim that you don't think he's as great as a large percentage of the board thinks he is and then go on to say he's a top 7-15 player. I can't think of a single person on this board that thinks he's in the top 6 of NBA players right now. And may be only FNG thinks he's below 15, so this goes back to Abe's argument that you inflate others' view of Ant just so that you can pat yourself on the back as being "bold" and "objective" as the voice of reason that has to tell all us neophytes how Ant isn't the next Michael Jordan and that - gasp! - we won't ever win a title with him as our #1 guy! OMG, what a bold and courageous thing to say in a state that hasn't won a men's professional title in 35 years!

May be if you stopped patting yourself on the back so much and telling us how bold you are, there would be less pushback. Your credibility as a sound basketball mind is already established - no need to keep reminding us of it by creating a straw man.

Re: Wolves offseason outlook.

Posted: Wed May 20, 2026 4:04 pm
by Coolbreeze44
AbeVigodaLive wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 3:28 pm
Coolbreeze44 wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 12:23 pm
AbeVigodaLive wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 8:51 am

I think you're creating an artificial argument that you're arguing against.

Who here has expectations of Edwards as the #1 player (or #10) best player in NBA history?

The "large percentage" of people on this forum (and pretty much everywhere else) claim he's somewhere in the #5 - #10 range of current players. So while almost all of us agree that he's an All Star or All NBA player and not All Time GOAT... only one is bashing him incessantly lately, apparently for not meeting unrealistic expectations that maybe only he has for the player.

We all know Edwards is a very good player who has improved in some way every season. And we all know that he is a flawed player who must continue to improve to get anywhere close to MVP discussions. It's a disservice to the many great and objective posters here that this would even be in question.
If it's an artificial argument, why do I get attacked every time I say something mildly negative about him? I don't really want him to be traded, I just don't think he should be considered untradeable. He's one of the best in the world at getting his own offense, but what does that do for the other 4 players on the floor? What the hell was he doing in the Spurs huddle with 8 minutes left in the game? With his supposed greatness, why couldn't we stay within 25 points of the Spurs for half the series?
I'm merely "attacking" you for thinking any of us expect him to be the next Jordan or Kobe. Or, when you declare guys like Castle or Harper as good as him... right now. Those are statements that will almost always be refuted online because they are a bit out there.

That's just how social media works.

If you read posts from most of the people here, however, you will read Anthony Edwards criticisms from almost all of us.
Well some posters have talked about him as the future best player in the league. That is never going to happen. FNG and Future can be objective about Ant, I haven't personally read anybody else who can be.

Re: Wolves offseason outlook.

Posted: Wed May 20, 2026 4:50 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
Coolbreeze44 wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 4:04 pm
AbeVigodaLive wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 3:28 pm
Coolbreeze44 wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 12:23 pm
If it's an artificial argument, why do I get attacked every time I say something mildly negative about him? I don't really want him to be traded, I just don't think he should be considered untradeable. He's one of the best in the world at getting his own offense, but what does that do for the other 4 players on the floor? What the hell was he doing in the Spurs huddle with 8 minutes left in the game? With his supposed greatness, why couldn't we stay within 25 points of the Spurs for half the series?
I'm merely "attacking" you for thinking any of us expect him to be the next Jordan or Kobe. Or, when you declare guys like Castle or Harper as good as him... right now. Those are statements that will almost always be refuted online because they are a bit out there.

That's just how social media works.

If you read posts from most of the people here, however, you will read Anthony Edwards criticisms from almost all of us.
Well some posters have talked about him as the future best player in the league. That is never going to happen. FNG and Future can be objective about Ant, I haven't personally read anybody else who can be.
LOL.

We see what we want to see.

Re: Wolves offseason outlook.

Posted: Wed May 20, 2026 4:53 pm
by Coolbreeze44
AbeVigodaLive wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 4:50 pm
Coolbreeze44 wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 4:04 pm
AbeVigodaLive wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 3:28 pm

I'm merely "attacking" you for thinking any of us expect him to be the next Jordan or Kobe. Or, when you declare guys like Castle or Harper as good as him... right now. Those are statements that will almost always be refuted online because they are a bit out there.

That's just how social media works.

If you read posts from most of the people here, however, you will read Anthony Edwards criticisms from almost all of us.
Well some posters have talked about him as the future best player in the league. That is never going to happen. FNG and Future can be objective about Ant, I haven't personally read anybody else who can be.
LOL.

We see what we want to see.
Why be like that?

Re: Wolves offseason outlook.

Posted: Wed May 20, 2026 4:54 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
I think I wrote something similarly in the past about Connelly...

...but I think his fleeting contract status should prime us for BIG change this offseason. He has only one year left and said something like "I'd rather be fired for taking a risk than standing still."

He's built up plenty of goodwill to land another GOOD GM job wherever that is. So shooting for the stars in a trade offers more reward than risk for Connelly. Say it goes disastrously bad... meh. He and the Wolves will mutually part ways and he takes over another team as the architect behind two franchise's successful runs. That's not a bad worst case for him.

And if it does turn out... he's getting a helluva raise.

Re: Wolves offseason outlook.

Posted: Wed May 20, 2026 4:57 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
Coolbreeze44 wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 4:53 pm
AbeVigodaLive wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 4:50 pm
Coolbreeze44 wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 4:04 pm

Well some posters have talked about him as the future best player in the league. That is never going to happen. FNG and Future can be objective about Ant, I haven't personally read anybody else who can be.
LOL.

We see what we want to see.
Why be like that?
Seriously, not trying to be dismissive or snarky. I think most posters have been objective about Anthony Edwards. And on a personal level... I work hard to back up my takes with analysis, stats, or even anecdotal evidence, all so I can give an objective opinion. In fact, I think I'm more objective about Anthony Edwards than you are.

See... "We see what we want to see."

Re: Wolves offseason outlook.

Posted: Wed May 20, 2026 5:13 pm
by mjs34
AbeVigodaLive wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 4:54 pm I think I wrote something similarly in the past about Connelly...

...but I think his fleeting contract status should prime us for BIG change this offseason. He has only one year left and said something like "I'd rather be fired for taking a risk than standing still."

He's built up plenty of goodwill to land another GOOD GM job wherever that is. So shooting for the stars in a trade offers more reward than risk for Connelly. Say it goes disastrously bad... meh. He and the Wolves will mutually part ways and he takes over another team as the architect behind two franchise's successful runs. That's not a bad worst case for him.

And if it does turn out... he's getting a helluva raise.
That should scare the shit out of any wolves fan. We give away everything of value left on the team other than Ant, and then Giannis suffers a major injury so Ant asks out and we are left with no cap room and no talent to rebuild with.

I read somewhere that Finch was safe because they had two years left on his deal and Arod and Lorre would not be willing to eat that. These are the owners that have doubled their investment in three years and they can't eat 10 mil.

I also found it hilarious that Finch was saying they needed to find a way to get the ball out of Ant's hands more. Shouldn't we have been doing that during the season? Same coach who said after last season that he should have gone deeper into his bench, then tried to justify not doing it by saying every win counts in the tough WC.

Any team who researches the wolves over the last five years would be fools to hire TC. The guy has swung for the fences every year since he arrived with nothing to show for it.

Re: Wolves offseason outlook.

Posted: Wed May 20, 2026 5:37 pm
by guest81
mjs34 wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 5:13 pm
AbeVigodaLive wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 4:54 pm I think I wrote something similarly in the past about Connelly...

...but I think his fleeting contract status should prime us for BIG change this offseason. He has only one year left and said something like "I'd rather be fired for taking a risk than standing still."

He's built up plenty of goodwill to land another GOOD GM job wherever that is. So shooting for the stars in a trade offers more reward than risk for Connelly. Say it goes disastrously bad... meh. He and the Wolves will mutually part ways and he takes over another team as the architect behind two franchise's successful runs. That's not a bad worst case for him.

And if it does turn out... he's getting a helluva raise.
That should scare the shit out of any wolves fan. We give away everything of value left on the team other than Ant, and then Giannis suffers a major injury so Ant asks out and we are left with no cap room and no talent to rebuild with.

I read somewhere that Finch was safe because they had two years left on his deal and Arod and Lorre would not be willing to eat that. These are the owners that have doubled their investment in three years and they can't eat 10 mil.

I also found it hilarious that Finch was saying they needed to find a way to get the ball out of Ant's hands more. Shouldn't we have been doing that during the season? Same coach who said after last season that he should have gone deeper into his bench, then tried to justify not doing it by saying every win counts in the tough WC.

Any team who researches the wolves over the last five years would be fools to hire TC. The guy has swung for the fences every year since he arrived with nothing to show for it.
If Ant asks out the wolves are going to get a massive haul. Let's think this through people

Re: Wolves offseason outlook.

Posted: Wed May 20, 2026 5:39 pm
by Q-is-here
mjs34 wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 5:13 pm
AbeVigodaLive wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 4:54 pm I think I wrote something similarly in the past about Connelly...

...but I think his fleeting contract status should prime us for BIG change this offseason. He has only one year left and said something like "I'd rather be fired for taking a risk than standing still."

He's built up plenty of goodwill to land another GOOD GM job wherever that is. So shooting for the stars in a trade offers more reward than risk for Connelly. Say it goes disastrously bad... meh. He and the Wolves will mutually part ways and he takes over another team as the architect behind two franchise's successful runs. That's not a bad worst case for him.

And if it does turn out... he's getting a helluva raise.
That should scare the shit out of any wolves fan. We give away everything of value left on the team other than Ant, and then Giannis suffers a major injury so Ant asks out and we are left with no cap room and no talent to rebuild with.

I read somewhere that Finch was safe because they had two years left on his deal and Arod and Lorre would not be willing to eat that. These are the owners that have doubled their investment in three years and they can't eat 10 mil.

I also found it hilarious that Finch was saying they needed to find a way to get the ball out of Ant's hands more. Shouldn't we have been doing that during the season? Same coach who said after last season that he should have gone deeper into his bench, then tried to justify not doing it by saying every win counts in the tough WC.

Any team who researches the wolves over the last five years would be fools to hire TC. The guy has swung for the fences every year since he arrived with nothing to show for it.
So we are in the midst of the most successful era in franchise history and Connelly has nothing to show for it? Sometimes I wonder if you just enjoy wallowing in a constant state of dissatisfaction about the Wolves, Rudy, Finch, Connelly, etc. Get a grip! He'd be hired in a heartbeat.

(That's not to say Connelly is above criticism. He's made his fair share of mistakes.)

Re: Wolves offseason outlook.

Posted: Wed May 20, 2026 6:46 pm
by mjs34
Q-is-here wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 5:39 pm
mjs34 wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 5:13 pm
AbeVigodaLive wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 4:54 pm I think I wrote something similarly in the past about Connelly...

...but I think his fleeting contract status should prime us for BIG change this offseason. He has only one year left and said something like "I'd rather be fired for taking a risk than standing still."

He's built up plenty of goodwill to land another GOOD GM job wherever that is. So shooting for the stars in a trade offers more reward than risk for Connelly. Say it goes disastrously bad... meh. He and the Wolves will mutually part ways and he takes over another team as the architect behind two franchise's successful runs. That's not a bad worst case for him.

And if it does turn out... he's getting a helluva raise.
That should scare the shit out of any wolves fan. We give away everything of value left on the team other than Ant, and then Giannis suffers a major injury so Ant asks out and we are left with no cap room and no talent to rebuild with.

I read somewhere that Finch was safe because they had two years left on his deal and Arod and Lorre would not be willing to eat that. These are the owners that have doubled their investment in three years and they can't eat 10 mil.

I also found it hilarious that Finch was saying they needed to find a way to get the ball out of Ant's hands more. Shouldn't we have been doing that during the season? Same coach who said after last season that he should have gone deeper into his bench, then tried to justify not doing it by saying every win counts in the tough WC.

Any team who researches the wolves over the last five years would be fools to hire TC. The guy has swung for the fences every year since he arrived with nothing to show for it.
So we are in the midst of the most successful era in franchise history and Connelly has nothing to show for it? Sometimes I wonder if you just enjoy wallowing in a constant state of dissatisfaction about the Wolves, Rudy, Finch, Connelly, etc. Get a grip! He'd be hired in a heartbeat.

(That's not to say Connelly is above criticism. He's made his fair share of mistakes.)
You want to look at stats like on/off whereas I look at wins/losses. 46 before Connelly, and now 49 four years later with older talent, almost no draft picks for future building, and in cap hell.

Before we lose ANt in the not too distant future, how about trying him in a different system with a different coaching staff. I wouldn't even mind bringing back the same talent. I was looking back at Utah and I wondered why Quin Snyder left the Jazz with two years left on his deal. Who does that? Did he come to the realization that he could not make it work with Rudy and Mitchell? Was he not on the same page as the front office?