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Avery Bradley??? I'll keep praying.

The only news I can find out there about Tyreke is that the Warriors may give him their 5.3 mil MLE. If he goes for that and we don't at least offer him seven per I'll be a little sad. Anyone else heard anything on Evans?

thedoper wrote:The only news I can find out there about Tyreke is that the Warriors may give him their 5.3 mil MLE. If he goes for that and we don't at least offer him seven per I'll be a little sad. Anyone else heard anything on Evans?

Not much out there. Only seen pelicans and warriors showing interest

thedoper wrote:The only news I can find out there about Tyreke is that the Warriors may give him their 5.3 mil MLE. If he goes for that and we don't at least offer him seven per I'll be a little sad. Anyone else heard anything on Evans?

Not much out there. Only seen pelicans and warriors showing interest

This has been a quality free agency so far, the only move that has gone to plan seems to be Jordan going to Dallas (and KD and Paul re-signing). The Paul George staying was really big. Westbrook must be a pretty fun guy to be around because it sure seems like it would be hard to play basketball with him.

thedoper wrote:The only news I can find out there about Tyreke is that the Warriors may give him their 5.3 mil MLE. If he goes for that and we don't at least offer him seven per I'll be a little sad. Anyone else heard anything on Evans?

I'm not sure we can afford to pay him $7 million without exceeding the luxury tax threshold by the time we sign our two rookies and fill the other two remaining roster spots with minimum vet salaries. By my calculation, it looks like we could afford to pay him around $6 million per year, assuming we let Belly go. The question is this: Would you rather have Evans or Belly? Sounds like you'd prefer Evans and I tend to agree. But I'm not sure. Belly gives us more rebounding and is familiar with his teammates and Thibs' system.

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:I have yet to read any reports indicating the Wolves' pursuit of any 3-point shooters or rim-protectors. Hmm. It's the disconnect between what Thibs says and what he does. What he does is what he really means. So if you want to know what Thibodeau really thinks about the type of team he wants, just look at the players he's pursued and acquired -- Butler, Gibson, Teague, Rose, Crawford, MGH, Cole Aldrich, and now Trevor Booker and Amir Johnson. Actually, I'm not sure there's a clear pattern here other than the fact that none of these players are known for taking a lot of threes and only one of them, Teague, has shot well from behind the arc over his career. None of these players are known for playing up-tempo offense either and none of them are rim-protectors. I'd like to think all or most of these guys are known for their defense, but Teague, Rose and Crawford have never been known for the defense. Other than his affinity for his favorite former Bulls, I'm not sure what to make of Thibodeau's approach to personnel as PBO.

Um....3 point shooter...your previous post was about Gerald Green have you gone full LST? :) #fullporkchop #porkchoplegend

Also Wolfson reported Thibs talked directly to Tolliver.

Lol. Well Monster, I'm not quite full LST, but I'll admit I'm getting close. :) OK, there's one exception named Gerald Green. He's a career 36% 3-point shooter. I actually wanted to pursue him last season with our 15th roster spot, but Thibs didn't. Not sure how hard Thibs pursued him this summer and not sure I'd trust Doogie's report that he did. In that case, I shouldn't trust Doogie's report that the Wolves are pursuin Amir Johnson. However, I do believe the report we're pursuing Booker because it came from someone other than Doogie. :) As for Tolliver, I don't consider him a high-volume three-point shooter. He's similar to Teague as a relatively low-volume 37% 3-point shooter. Not bad. I'd certainly like him.

C'mon Lip...reconsider...we need you on the full LST train!

To see how close to boarding you are, let me define what it is, and see how much you disagree with. Here's the full LST Thibs platform:

1) We recognize that Thibs has had some success in the past, but does not seem to be the right guy to coach this Wolves' team.

2) We didn't support his hiring in the first place and strongly advocated that Glen replace him after year 2. Since that didn't happen, we now advocate for Glen to fire him mid-season unless we see the team responding to his coaching better than they have.

3) We recognize some good moves he has made as POBO (the Butler deal, the 2018 draft picks) and are happy to praise him when he makes them, but think on balance his bad moves outweigh the good (all other free agent moves, trades and draft picks).

4) We see a number of coaching flaws that we believe are holding the team back, including promoting a slo-mo iso offense that doesn't include enough threes, absurdly out-of-step minutes for his starters that leaves them exhausted at game-end and season-end, and poor time out management that often leaves him at a disadvantage. We see a team that has not improved much on defense during his reign, and while we put some of the blame on the players, we also give Thibs a share of the blame.

5) We see a guy whose sideline behavior is abominable, and who seems incapable of providing his players with any positive reinforcement...only anguished expressions when they do something he disapproves of. We see a guy who has not created an environment where the players seem happy and motivated to play their best.

6) We find attending games not as fun as it could be, and blame Thibs for this to some extent.


There it is...the platform of the Full LST party. Now, which parts do you disagree with?

I think people are attributing way too much success to an MLE bench player. Joe Harris or Hezonja or whoever as a shooter is not the solution to the puzzle. A 20 MPG guy off the bench is not the savior of the season. That's gonna have to come from the 5 guys playing 36 minutes a night.

longstrangetrip wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:I have yet to read any reports indicating the Wolves' pursuit of any 3-point shooters or rim-protectors. Hmm. It's the disconnect between what Thibs says and what he does. What he does is what he really means. So if you want to know what Thibodeau really thinks about the type of team he wants, just look at the players he's pursued and acquired -- Butler, Gibson, Teague, Rose, Crawford, MGH, Cole Aldrich, and now Trevor Booker and Amir Johnson. Actually, I'm not sure there's a clear pattern here other than the fact that none of these players are known for taking a lot of threes and only one of them, Teague, has shot well from behind the arc over his career. None of these players are known for playing up-tempo offense either and none of them are rim-protectors. I'd like to think all or most of these guys are known for their defense, but Teague, Rose and Crawford have never been known for the defense. Other than his affinity for his favorite former Bulls, I'm not sure what to make of Thibodeau's approach to personnel as PBO.

Um....3 point shooter...your previous post was about Gerald Green have you gone full LST? :) #fullporkchop #porkchoplegend

Also Wolfson reported Thibs talked directly to Tolliver.

Lol. Well Monster, I'm not quite full LST, but I'll admit I'm getting close. :) OK, there's one exception named Gerald Green. He's a career 36% 3-point shooter. I actually wanted to pursue him last season with our 15th roster spot, but Thibs didn't. Not sure how hard Thibs pursued him this summer and not sure I'd trust Doogie's report that he did. In that case, I shouldn't trust Doogie's report that the Wolves are pursuin Amir Johnson. However, I do believe the report we're pursuing Booker because it came from someone other than Doogie. :) As for Tolliver, I don't consider him a high-volume three-point shooter. He's similar to Teague as a relatively low-volume 37% 3-point shooter. Not bad. I'd certainly like him.

C'mon Lip...reconsider...we need you on the full LST train!

To see how close to boarding you are, let me define what it is, and see how much you disagree with. Here's the full LST Thibs platform:

1) We recognize that Thibs has had some success in the past, but does not seem to be the right guy to coach this Wolves' team.

2) We didn't support his hiring in the first place and strongly advocated that Glen replace him after year 2. Since that didn't happen, we now advocate for Glen to fire him mid-season unless we see the team responding to his coaching better than they have.

3) We recognize some good moves he has made as POBO (the Butler deal, the 2018 draft picks) and are happy to praise him when he makes them, but think on balance his bad moves outweigh the good (all other free agent moves, trades and draft picks).

4) We see a number of coaching flaws that we believe are holding the team back, including promoting a slo-mo iso offense that doesn't include enough threes, absurdly out-of-step minutes for his starters that leaves them exhausted at game-end and season-end, and poor time out management that often leaves him at a disadvantage. We see a team that has not improved much on defense during his reign, and while we put some of the blame on the players, we also give Thibs a share of the blame.

5) We see a guy whose sideline behavior is abominable, and who seems incapable of providing his players with any positive reinforcement...only anguished expressions when they do something he disapproves of. We see a guy who has not created an environment where the players seem happy and motivated to play their best.

6) We find attending games not as fun as it could be, and blame Thibs for this to some extent.


There it is...the platform of the Full LST party. Now, which parts do you disagree with?

LST - I've read your platform very carefully. I now realize that I am full LST. In fact, it's not clear that I always have been. I'll add another plank to your platform.

7. The Wolves are a last-resort option among playoff teams for free agents because of Thibodeau all of his characteristics you described above, especially his well-deserved nad accurate reputation for not playing bench players along with his incessant barking from the sideline which includes a level of minute-by-minute micromanagement that can't help but distract the players he's coaching and discourage free agent players from signing here.

So yes, I am and have always been a member of the Full LST Party. I suppose I'll be blacklisted now and for the rest of my time in Wolves fandom.

lipoli390 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:I have yet to read any reports indicating the Wolves' pursuit of any 3-point shooters or rim-protectors. Hmm. It's the disconnect between what Thibs says and what he does. What he does is what he really means. So if you want to know what Thibodeau really thinks about the type of team he wants, just look at the players he's pursued and acquired -- Butler, Gibson, Teague, Rose, Crawford, MGH, Cole Aldrich, and now Trevor Booker and Amir Johnson. Actually, I'm not sure there's a clear pattern here other than the fact that none of these players are known for taking a lot of threes and only one of them, Teague, has shot well from behind the arc over his career. None of these players are known for playing up-tempo offense either and none of them are rim-protectors. I'd like to think all or most of these guys are known for their defense, but Teague, Rose and Crawford have never been known for the defense. Other than his affinity for his favorite former Bulls, I'm not sure what to make of Thibodeau's approach to personnel as PBO.

Um....3 point shooter...your previous post was about Gerald Green have you gone full LST? :) #fullporkchop #porkchoplegend

Also Wolfson reported Thibs talked directly to Tolliver.

Lol. Well Monster, I'm not quite full LST, but I'll admit I'm getting close. :) OK, there's one exception named Gerald Green. He's a career 36% 3-point shooter. I actually wanted to pursue him last season with our 15th roster spot, but Thibs didn't. Not sure how hard Thibs pursued him this summer and not sure I'd trust Doogie's report that he did. In that case, I shouldn't trust Doogie's report that the Wolves are pursuin Amir Johnson. However, I do believe the report we're pursuing Booker because it came from someone other than Doogie. :) As for Tolliver, I don't consider him a high-volume three-point shooter. He's similar to Teague as a relatively low-volume 37% 3-point shooter. Not bad. I'd certainly like him.

C'mon Lip...reconsider...we need you on the full LST train!

To see how close to boarding you are, let me define what it is, and see how much you disagree with. Here's the full LST Thibs platform:

1) We recognize that Thibs has had some success in the past, but does not seem to be the right guy to coach this Wolves' team.

2) We didn't support his hiring in the first place and strongly advocated that Glen replace him after year 2. Since that didn't happen, we now advocate for Glen to fire him mid-season unless we see the team responding to his coaching better than they have.

3) We recognize some good moves he has made as POBO (the Butler deal, the 2018 draft picks) and are happy to praise him when he makes them, but think on balance his bad moves outweigh the good (all other free agent moves, trades and draft picks).

4) We see a number of coaching flaws that we believe are holding the team back, including promoting a slo-mo iso offense that doesn't include enough threes, absurdly out-of-step minutes for his starters that leaves them exhausted at game-end and season-end, and poor time out management that often leaves him at a disadvantage. We see a team that has not improved much on defense during his reign, and while we put some of the blame on the players, we also give Thibs a share of the blame.

5) We see a guy whose sideline behavior is abominable, and who seems incapable of providing his players with any positive reinforcement...only anguished expressions when they do something he disapproves of. We see a guy who has not created an environment where the players seem happy and motivated to play their best.

6) We find attending games not as fun as it could be, and blame Thibs for this to some extent.


There it is...the platform of the Full LST party. Now, which parts do you disagree with?

LST - I've read your platform very carefully. I now realize that I am full LST. In fact, it's not clear that I always have been. I'll add another plank to your platform.

7. The Wolves are a last-resort option among playoff teams for free agents because of Thibodeau all of his characteristics you described above, especially his well-deserved nad accurate reputation for not playing bench players along with his incessant barking from the sideline which includes a level of minute-by-minute micromanagement that can't help but distract the players he's coaching and discourage free agent players from signing here.

So yes, I am and have always been a member of the Full LST Party. I suppose I'll be blacklisted now and for the rest of my time in Wolves fandom.

Welcome to the party! Not many of us yet, but Brooklyn_Wolf and Bleedspeed are two that come to mind. Anyone else?

I do try to be fair to Thibs, as evidenced by my immediate support on draft night of his two draft picks this year. It's just that I find so much more to criticize about him. But I suspect you are like me...if the Wolves turn things around and it looks like he is having a positive impact on this team, I will be happy to support him give him any credit he deserves. I'm not holding my breath though...his one-size fits-all obstinance and his refusal to embrace change or accept responsibility tells me that nothing is going to change.