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Re: Rubio vs. Teague-let's continue to monitor
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:23 pm
by kekgeek
Q12543 wrote:Rubio has never been an elite one-on-one defender. There are very few "stoppers" that play PG because of the pick and roll game and how hard it is to defend. Beverley might be the closest thing. I actually think Dunn some day has the ability to be an elite PG/SG defender.
But Rubio is an elite team defender. While last year wasn't his greatest on the stat front, his total body of work puts him right in that 2nd tier of PG defenders IMO, after Beverley and Chris Paul.
By the way, Rubio won us a game last year in Charlotte with his end-of-game defense on guess who....Kemba Walker! Mmmm, let's see if we can drag up the play-by-play......
:39 - Minnesota down 100-104 after a LaVine 3-pointer.
:38 - Kemba steps out of bounds on the ensuing in bound (guess who was pressuring him?).
:32 - Rubio makes a 3-point shot to make the game 103-104
:15 - Walker makes 2-point shot to take a 106-103 lead
:09 - Wiggins makes a 3-pointer to tie it up
:02 - Walker misses a 2-point shot, with Rubio right in his face
Overtime synopsis: Kemba 0-3 from the field with a turnover. Wolves win.
But remember, Ricky can't play defense and never performs in the clutch.
I told you this thread is going to get annoying. I ranted about it and it will last all year. Every good ricky game the non trade supporters will come out and say we would be better with ricky. Every good teague game same thing, "we would have lost with ricky".
Going to a long season on that front.
As a guy who supports the trade it is silly to me to say ricky is not a good defender. I am going out on a limb here I know but I have a gut feeling that Teague will get lit up a couple times this. I know super bold statement.
Still in the boat ricky and teague are in the same tier of pg but teague is a better fit because I believe ricky needs the ball to be a plus player and imo a net negative when he dosen't and I would rather have butler, Wig or Kat have the ball when it matters
Re: Rubio vs. Teague-let's continue to monitor
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:51 pm
by BloopOracle
Q12543 wrote:Rubio has never been an elite one-on-one defender. There are very few "stoppers" that play PG because of the pick and roll game and how hard it is to defend. Beverley might be the closest thing. I actually think Dunn some day has the ability to be an elite PG/SG defender.
But Rubio is an elite team defender. While last year wasn't his greatest on the stat front, his total body of work puts him right in that 2nd tier of PG defenders IMO, after Beverley and Chris Paul.
By the way, Rubio won us a game last year in Charlotte with his end-of-game defense on guess who....Kemba Walker! Mmmm, let's see if we can drag up the play-by-play......
:39 - Minnesota down 100-104 after a LaVine 3-pointer.
:38 - Kemba steps out of bounds on the ensuing in bound (guess who was pressuring him?).
:32 - Rubio makes a 3-point shot to make the game 103-104
:15 - Walker makes 2-point shot to take a 106-103 lead
:09 - Wiggins makes a 3-pointer to tie it up
:02 - Walker misses a 2-point shot, with Rubio right in his face
Overtime synopsis: Kemba 0-3 from the field with a turnover. Wolves win.
But remember, Ricky can't play defense and never performs in the clutch.
Ah yes, of course Rubio's defense won the game for us by the Wolves hitting 3 3-pointers in the final 39 seconds to send it to OT after letting Walker score 20 in the 2nd half.
Re: Rubio vs. Teague-let's continue to monitor
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:42 pm
by BloopOracle
Rubio is crashing and burning tonight again shootin 4-16, 0-5 from 3 and passing up open shots. Reading the Jazz subreddit right and they're starting to turn on him. This confirms that he is the worst PG in NBA history.
Re: Rubio vs. Teague-let's continue to monitor
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:02 pm
by kekgeek
BloopOracle wrote:Rubio is crashing and burning tonight again shootin 4-16, 0-5 from 3 and passing up open shots. Reading the Jazz subreddit right and they're starting to turn on him. This confirms that he is the worst PG in NBA history.
Kind of amazed how much he is shooting this year. 12 shots per game (not including tonight's 16). 4 more than last year and 3 more 3's per game.
He has played well just shocking to me
Re: Rubio vs. Teague-let's continue to monitor
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:02 pm
by Monster
BloopOracle wrote:Rubio is crashing and burning tonight again shootin 4-16, 0-5 from 3 and passing up open shots. Reading the Jazz subreddit right and they're starting to turn on him. This confirms that he is the worst PG in NBA history.
Did they say who Rubio was guarding? Simmons started at PG. tough back to back games with Harden and then Simmons. Lol TJ Mconnell always seems to put up somewhat compareable numbers to Rubio when his team faces off with Rubio's team.
Re: Rubio vs. Teague-let's continue to monitor
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:19 pm
by BloopOracle
monsterpile wrote:BloopOracle wrote:Rubio is crashing and burning tonight again shootin 4-16, 0-5 from 3 and passing up open shots. Reading the Jazz subreddit right and they're starting to turn on him. This confirms that he is the worst PG in NBA history.
Did they say who Rubio was guarding? Simmons started at PG. tough back to back games with Harden and then Simmons. Lol TJ Mconnell always seems to put up somewhat compareable numbers to Rubio when his team faces off with Rubio's team.
from what I read there it was pretty good defense, just brick city by everyone on the Jazz
Re: Rubio vs. Teague-let's continue to monitor
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:40 pm
by thedoper
The Jazz are just really lacking offensive talent. Now watch them score 150 on us next Monday.
Re: Rubio vs. Teague-let's continue to monitor
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:55 pm
by Porckchop
I posted in the interesting stats thread about how the Wolves had their first five game win streak since the season before Ricky was drafted. It's probably just a coincidence but the reality is that win streaks take consistency from its players. That is one thing Rubio has never shown. He'll give ya flashes but he can't give you the game to game consistency it takes to be the leader of a playoff team.
Re: Rubio vs. Teague-let's continue to monitor
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:13 am
by Monster
PorkChop wrote:I posted in the interesting stats thread about how the Wolves had their first five game win streak since the season before Ricky was drafted. It's probably just a coincidence but the reality is that win streaks take consistency from its players. That is one thing Rubio has never shown. He'll give ya flashes but he can't give you the game to game consistency it takes to be the leader of a playoff team.
Well it's also quite the coincidence that the Wolves have this 5 game streak with the best 2 way player on their roster since KG was traded. lol You are right though consistency is what separates the stars from the average-ish starter types. The consistency and how much you get of it has a lot to do with how much of a role a guy has on the team.
Re: Rubio vs. Teague-let's continue to monitor
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:33 am
by Wolvesfan21
PorkChop wrote:I posted in the interesting stats thread about how the Wolves had their first five game win streak since the season before Ricky was drafted. It's probably just a coincidence but the reality is that win streaks take consistency from its players. That is one thing Rubio has never shown. He'll give ya flashes but he can't give you the game to game consistency it takes to be the leader of a playoff team.
Don't forget, the Wolves actually have a bench now. Coming from one of the worst benches last season.
If you theoretically swapped Ricky and Teague out and left the roster now as is with added in Taj and Butler I really don't feel like we would see any difference really in wins and losses.
I wasn't one to blame one player for the losses when the bench was always giving up big leads, especially when defensively the other starters were not getting it done either.
Even with Love, same thing. No interior defense. Just a lay up line and a crappy bench.
It's completely non-sensical to blame one player for the Timberwolves past ineptness.