Thibs out

[Monster]

Guys, Flip is not going to hire Thibs - not this year, not next year, not ever. He's just not Flip's kind of coach. If Izzo wants the job next year, Flip will probably hire him. I'm sure Flip has a short list of head coaches he'd hire to replace himself. But I'd bet a billion dollars if I had it that Thibs is not on that list.

One that focuses on defense? One that wins? One that gets the most out of his players? Man, that sounds awful...

I think IF you are correct in what you say there, Lip, then we really need Glen to get involved. Flip's gonna drive this team in the dirt if he can't land a good head coach, let alone not even pursue one that's available.

PS: If Thibs isn't a Flip guy, then why was Joerger? Answer that riddle.

Lip I'd like to know what what makes you so sure that Flip wouldn't be interested in Thibs. Flip said on funkadelic they actually contacted the Bulls last summer to try and talk to him.

[Carlos Danger]

When I see/hear Flip refer to "ready made" situation being more attractive to a future coach, it just re-affirms my opinion that he's building the team to hand off to a guy like Sam Mitchell type. I can't imagine that it would be more attractive for a big name coach to step in when the Wolves are on the upswing vs. now. Wouldn't any good coach want to build the team himself starting with the #1 overall pick this year? Why would it be more attractive to step into something that Flip built? It's the difference between being a leader vs. a manager. I think Flip wants to be the leader and hand this off to someone to manage his vision. I would assume Thibbs would want a situation where he's empowered. I.e the owner/GM say "we want you to be part of all major decisions and fix us" vs. "Flip's got it all tee'd up for you...all you have to do is execute what Flip wants".

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CD - I agree. I worry we won't get a good coach while Flip is involved. Maybe he is going to try and had it over to Ryan.

[Carlos Danger]

CD - I agree. I worry we won't get a good coach while Flip is involved. Maybe he is going to try and had it over to Ryan.

Hopefully it's not Ryan (that might be a little too close - ha!), but certainly someone who's watched/learned/played under Flip and will defer to Flip's style and decisions.

Flip has all the power right now and it's tough to give up power once you have it. I would assume he's going to want to take the credit for the turnaround vs. letting some big name coach get that credit.

He tanked his way to the worst record in the NBA last season. The bar is set very low (not hard to improve on worse record in NBA!). He's got the #1 overall pick coming to him. Personally, I think Flip is looking forward to coaching this upcoming season himself. I see Flip handing it off to someone after he's proven he can do it (or can't do it).

[Monster]

CD - I agree. I worry we won't get a good coach while Flip is involved. Maybe he is going to try and had it over to Ryan.

Hopefully it's not Ryan (that might be a little too close - ha!), but certainly someone who's watched/learned/played under Flip and will defer to Flip's style and decisions.

Flip has all the power right now and it's tough to give up power once you have it. I would assume he's going to want to take the credit for the turnaround vs. letting some big name coach get that credit.

He tanked his way to the worst record in the NBA last season. The bar is set very low (not hard to improve on worse record in NBA!). He's got the #1 overall pick coming to him. Personally, I think Flip is looking forward to coaching this upcoming season himself. I see Flip handing it off to someone after he's proven he can do it (or can't do it).

I'm curious if you listened to the latest funkadelic.

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I'm generally in favor of Flip offering the job to Thibs, but fully understand why he may be reluctant to do so. After listening to the Funkadelic, I believe Flip when he says he will ultimately be judged as PBO by the coach he hires, and Thibs might be a little too volatile for him. It's clear that Flip likes him personally and respects him as a coach, but he also knows that Thibs doesn't care much for cowtowing to his boss, and is going to do things his way. I think Flip wants a more collaborative situation. That doesn't mean he wants to control all the shots and not give his coach enough say. I just don't think he wants a repeat of the Adelman situation where the coach wouldn't play the guys Flip drafted, and Thibs is every bit as independent as Rick...probably more so. Not going to happen.

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Sam Mitchell or Ryan Saunders it is. Stuck in mediocrity we shall be.

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Sam Mitchell or Ryan Saunders it is. Stuck in mediocrity we shall be.

I'm not sensing that is the way Flip will ultimately go. Certainly not Ryan, because Flip cares much more about his legacy than nepotism. And probably not Mitchell for two reasons. I'm not sure Flip sees him as the right guy, and frankly, Sam has some of that Thibs/Adelman independence too...nobody ever accused Mitchell of being a yes man. I think it's more likely that Flip will hire a promising young guy rather than another tired retread...a successful college coach or NBA assistant, who he both thinks will be a star but also is more likely to include Flip in discussions. That's why I'm frustrated with the Hoiberg deal...he fits this criteria perfectly.

[Monster]

Sam Mitchell or Ryan Saunders it is. Stuck in mediocrity we shall be.

I'm not sensing that is the way Flip will ultimately go. Certainly not Ryan, because Flip cares much more about his legacy than nepotism. And probably not Mitchell for two reasons. I'm not sure Flip sees him as the right guy, and frankly, Sam has some of that Thibs/Adelman independence too...nobody ever accused Mitchell of being a yes man. I think it's more likely that Flip will hire a promising young guy rather than another tired retread...a successful college coach or NBA assistant, who he both thinks will be a star but also is more likely to include Flip in discussions. That's why I'm frustrated with the Hoiberg deal...he fits this criteria perfectly.

Come on if Flip was gonna just hand things over to Sam Mitchell he would have already done so and done it last summer since it was reported Glen wanted Mitchell. I suspect the people saying this type of thinking haven't listened to the latest funkadelic. I get how we have been beat into our minds that it's a country club and that's legit thinking it just seemed like from all the things Flip said he wasn't just BSing around.

Also it sounded like Flip just figured Thibs would want and get better offers for a ready made team and I think was partly reality and partly out of respect for Thibs as a perfessional. If Flip wasn't interested in Thibs at all then why did he reach out the Bulls a year ago? It's pretty obvious Flip has put a lot of thought into possible coaches has a list of names in his brain and has a vast network of contacts with significant relationships to go off of. Do you think JVG is a yes man? Hell no he isn't and Flip basically offered him the job last summer.

The only thing I think makes me think Flip isn't going hard core at Thibs is he mentioned finding a younger coach that can grow with this Guys. Thibs is only a couple years younger than Flip so I think that's part of the hesitation.

I think there is a couple interesting things about coaching in minny.
1. Terry Porter didn't stay on with Flip last year which I thought was a little strange considering the relationship they had when Porter was a player for Flip and he was with the wolves already. Porter went after a couple college HC jobs and maybe it was just a mutual thing and Porter wanted to be a HC somewhere.

2. David Adelman stayed but he was one guy still under contract of the assistants so maybe they figured he was decent or whatever and they could save some money and see if he was any good idk. I saw on Twitter that the Wolves like Adelman and want to bring him back (his contract expires after this season). I think that's pretty interesting if true. That would mean he isn't just there because it's handy or whatnot and he isn't exactly one of Flips guys either.

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That's an interesting comment by Flip that you picked up on, monster...that he wants a younger coach to grow with these guys. That dovetails with my belief that he will eventually go with a young college coach (Hoiberg would be perfect) or a young, successful assistant coach in the NBA. I don't think he's necessarily looking for a yes man, but I do think he will hire someone who he believes will listen to him more than Adelman did.