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Re: Nemanja Bjelica - Hype Thread
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 1:27 am
by MikkeMan
Carlos Danger wrote:Mikkeman wrote:
Raduljica has played total 14 games with around 10 minutes per game in Euroleague. His PER in Euroleague was worse than in NBA. I don't see how anyone could compare him for Bjelica.
I'm assuming Belgrade Serbia is considered part of European League (at least that's what that link stated). So, he played a lot more than 14 games. His Per 40 Euro Stats were over 20 pts and 7+ rebounds. Things always look crazy good when you use Per 40 figures though. Cripes. Anthony Bennett was a 13 pt/10 Rebound guy last year if we use Per 40 adjusted.
BTW, Zgoda had an online chat this afternoon and was asked about Bjelica. Here is his response:
"From an NBA scout I trust last week: Great offensive skills, point guard in a power forward's body, small forward's skills but you'll have to play him at power forward probably to hide his defensive limitations, a backup power forward in the NBA.
by Jerry Zgoda 1:04 PM"
My opinion hasn't changed. He's not the answer to our PF needs. The last thing we need right now is another backup PF/question mark. You guys can keep your opinion he's the next great thing. We'll agree to disagree and move on.
Serbian league (or Adriatic league) is European league but it is not same as Euroleague. Difference in competition level between them is about same than D-league and NBA. You can see from Draftexpress how Raduljica's minutes and stats drop in games that he has played in Euroleague:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Miroslav-Raduljica-1096/stats/
So if one player has not got even minutes in pretty bad Euroleague team and another is Euroleague MVP in final four team, you cannot use the one, which was not getting minutes as reason why MVP would not success in NBA.
I don't believe that Bjelica would be next big thing but I absolutely believe he could be average starter in NBA.
Re: Nemanja Bjelica - Hype Thread
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 1:35 am
by khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]
Mikkeman wrote:khans2k5 wrote:I don't see anyway the Rockets do that trade. Jones is their starting 4, he stretches the floor and protects the rim. You might be able to do NB and the picks for only Jones, but not Jones and the pick. Jones is an underrated player. He's just a good basketball player and next to Dwight they have a good starting frontcourt. He averaged almost 12/7/2 in 27 MPG's which is good production next to Dwight. Bump him up to 34-36 MPG's and he might be a 16/9/2.5 guy (that's his per 36 line). That's worth more than an unknown Euro and 2 2nds let alone throwing in a first round pick.
Jones lost his starting job during his injury to Motiejunas, who did a pretty good job this season. Motiejunas is also better three point shooter than Jones, so they might think that he is better fit to play next to Dwight. After Jones came back from injury, he got opportunity to start only when either Dwight or Motiejunas was injured.
Now it seems that during playoffs Jones lost again starting job, he got after Motiejunas was injured. his time it was for Josh Smith. So I see that it is possible that Houston would trade him but I doubt that Morey would do the trade that Cam suggested unless they value Bjelica really high.
BTW. Motiejunas is maybe pretty good comparison to Bjelica. I just think that Bjelica is little better in almost all areas than Motiejunas. He has better handle, is better passer, shooter and rebounder. He is also more athletic but Motiejunas is maybe stronger and better post scorer.
Jones still has started more games than not this year and last. He's also started 9 of their post season games this year. Montiejunas also took 3 years to start showing something so if Bjelica is a similar talent we're looking at probably 2-3 years before he becomes a fringe starter. I don't see them taking an established good player and turning him into an unknown that will probably take 2-3 years before being a decent contributor if he becomes a good contributor. Maybe Martin and the picks lands Jones as a better secondary scoring option than Jason Terry. Move Harden to the PG spot when needed and put Martin, Ariza and Montiejunas around him. Jones could eat up all the PF time KG doesn't for us. The sad part is we had Jones and Montiejunas and traded both of them.
Re: Nemanja Bjelica - Hype Thread
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 1:46 am
by MikkeMan
60WinTim wrote:Toni Kukoc... Which I would gladly take!
Of course, if we can convince Phil Jackson of the same thinking...
Kukoc was such a unique player that it is very difficult to compare any player to him. But Bjelica skill set is maybe the closest thing to Kukoc that any European player has had so far. Maybe if Dario Saric continues to improve and comes to NBA, there will be finally player that is really worth of next Kukoc label.
Bjelica is stronger and much better rebounder than Kukoc. But even though Bjelica has better handle and is better passer than for example Mirotic, those are not same level than Kukoc had.
Re: Nemanja Bjelica - Hype Thread
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 2:04 am
by MikkeMan
khans2k5 wrote:
Jones still has started more games than not this year and last. He's also started 9 of their post season games this year. Montiejunas also took 3 years to start showing something so if Bjelica is a similar talent we're looking at probably 2-3 years before he becomes a fringe starter. I don't see them taking an established good player and turning him into an unknown that will probably take 2-3 years before being a decent contributor if he becomes a good contributor. Maybe Martin and the picks lands Jones as a better secondary scoring option than Jason Terry. Move Harden to the PG spot when needed and put Martin, Ariza and Montiejunas around him. Jones could eat up all the PF time KG doesn't for us. The sad part is we had Jones and Montiejunas and traded both of them.
Motiejunas came to NBA at age 22, so it was not such a big surprise that it took two years before he was able to contribute in NBA. Bjelica is 27 and I think that Bjelica is clearly better than current version of Motiejunas, so he should be able to contribute right away and be upgrade for Houston's PF position. Motiejunas could still come from bench to play both big positions.
Martin would be upgrade over Terry but I'm sure Beverley will play majority of minutes next to Harden when he is back from injury. Beverley is only decent defender in whole Houston back court.
Re: Nemanja Bjelica - Hype Thread
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 4:35 am
by A Friendly Flatulence [enjin:8907904]
Anybody know how to pronounce his name, I swear I change pronunciations in my head of it daily
Re: Nemanja Bjelica - Hype Thread
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 4:41 am
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
A Friendly Flatulence wrote:Anybody know how to pronounce his name, I swear I change pronunciations in my head of it daily
Neh-mon-ya
Be-ya-litz-uh.
That's the correct pronunciation from every broadcast of Bjelica's games that I've watched.
Re: Nemanja Bjelica - Hype Thread
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 7:06 am
by longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]
Camden wrote:A Friendly Flatulence wrote:Anybody know how to pronounce his name, I swear I change pronunciations in my head of it daily
Neh-mon-ya
Be-ya-litz-uh.
That's the correct pronunciation from every broadcast of Bjelica's games that I've watched.
Duh, FF...just like it's spelled!
Re: Nemanja Bjelica - Hype Thread
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 7:29 am
by Carlos Danger
Mikkeman wrote:
So if one player has not got even minutes in pretty bad Euroleague team and another is Euroleague MVP in final four team, you cannot use the one, which was not getting minutes as reason why MVP would not success in NBA.
I don't believe that Bjelica would be next big thing but I absolutely believe he could be average starter in NBA.
Here's that scouting report again:
"Great offensive skills, point guard in a power forward's body, small forward's skills but you'll have to play him at power forward probably to hide his
defensive limitations, a backup power forward in the NBA."
To me, that sounds a lot more like Mirslav Radujiica than the names you were throwing out there i.e. Marc Gasol and Adrei Kirilenko. And again - let's not forget age. Gasol was 24 when he came over. Kirilenko was 20, Mirotic was 23. Bjelica will be 27 if he comes over this year. To put that in perspective....Darko Milicic is 29. And I don't think anyone believes Darko has much upside left. So even if Bjelica comes over and turns out to be "an average starter in the NBA" as you believe he will be....why would we want to lock up an older, hopefully average player without much upside? Bad contracts can be just as harmful to a franchise as bad players.
Re: Nemanja Bjelica - Hype Thread
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 7:40 am
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
Yay for one scouting report, as if that's anything you should base your opinion off. Also, comparing a guy as highly-touted and as skilled as Bjelica to a guy that was only a professional basketball player because he was big enough to is a bit ridiculous.
What you're essentially saying is that because he's 27-years old and not already in the NBA, he doesn't have high enough potential to make it in the NBA and thus we shouldn't even consider him. Are you even hearing how remarkably wrong that is? I could understand your logic if he had made an attempt to play in the NBA and failed, went to the Euroleague and is now trying to return. That isn't the case.
Side question: Would you rather have Bennett (or Payne) and all his potential or Bjelica? This is where we find out how anti-Euro you really are.
Re: Nemanja Bjelica - Hype Thread
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 8:24 am
by MikkeMan
Carlos Danger wrote:
To me, that sounds a lot more like Mirslav Radujiica than the names you were throwing out there i.e. Marc Gasol and Adrei Kirilenko. And again - let's not forget age. Gasol was 24 when he came over. Kirilenko was 20, Mirotic was 23. Bjelica will be 27 if he comes over this year. To put that in perspective....Darko Milicic is 29. And I don't think anyone believes Darko has much upside left. So even if Bjelica comes over and turns out to be "an average starter in the NBA" as you believe he will be....why would we want to lock up an older, hopefully average player without much upside? Bad contracts can be just as harmful to a franchise as bad players.
Sounds like an old scouting report. He has improved a lot after that was written. I would not count on his upside but his current level. If you saw Bjelica one year ago in world championship games, you could tell that he was better player than for example Motiejunas was and Motiejunas was last year much better than any PF in Wolves roster.
It is true that Bjelica is 27 but Scola was 27 when he entered to NBA and that didn't prevent him getting starter position from Houston team and to average 18 pts and 8 rbs later at the age of 30. Sabonis was 31 when he entered to NBA and that didn't prevent him having 5 straight years with over 20 PER. I'm not suggesting that Bjelica is as good as Sabonis but you should not let his age decide whether he will be worth of spot in current Wolves roster.