OT - City of Minneapolis

[TheGrey08]

That's unfortunate you feel that way wildwolf. Keep in mind that the jury selection system is not "rigged" and allows the prosecution and defense to vet jurors for bias in either direction. In addition, I would argue that the jury is under enormous outside pressure to convict.

I'd be curious to know your thoughts on a better system for such a trial. You are implying with your statement that you and "many others" think he is guilty. So should we crowd-source the process and let folks like you and me vote on whether he is guilty or not based on what we have read and seen in the media?

I would expect nothing less when a situation is so clearly morally and professionally wrong. When his own Chief and fellow officers testified against him (far more rare for fellow officers to do so)

But the larger point of my response to Wildwolf is that he assumed the system is rigged to acquit Chauvin without providing any evidence and without suggesting a better alternative to the process of jury selection and our trial system. It turns out he was wrong.

Absolutely and you had a good point in that. Also, this one didn't involve a Grand Jury, which is a very key difference and if I recall correctly a lot of the acquitted cases in the last many years were Grand Jury.

[thedoper]

Im proud to be a Minnesotan today. Accountability is the only way this shit can move forward. If you want the badge to be above reproach then you have to behave that way and live by a higher standard of ethic. I can understand Wildwolf's pessimism, and am happy that justice was served to that bad apple today. Hopefully Water's big talk isnt enough for a mistrial.

[TheGrey08]

Immigration in the 1920's when the countries population was around 120 mil is different than immigration now when the population is snowballing towards 400 mil.
Quite frankly the majority of the worlds problems stems from overpopulation of people. No I don't know how to solve that problem but I don't believe a country is ever better off by increasing its populations when it already struggles to take care of the people already there.

One of the top richest countries in the world struggling to take care of its people? That's greed my friend.

You can call it whatever you want, doesn't change the fact that people are struggling. And reality is the greed you speak of isn't going away. No matter how much you, I or anyone else thinks it should.

I don't disagree. My main point is that immigration isn't the cause nor is it really impacting it much at all and we could easily be making sure no one ever went hungry or was homeless in this country (shockingly it's also cheaper).

[TheGrey08]

Im proud to be a Minnesotan today. Accountability is the only way this shit can move forward. If you want the badge to be above reproach then you have to behave that way and live by a higher standard of ethic. I can understand Wildwolf's pessimism, and am happy that justice was served to that bad apple today. Hopefully Water's big talk isnt enough for a mistrial.

Well said. Bad cops need to be held accountable, good cops need to be praised far more and they should be extremely applauded, praised, trained and protected for speaking out against bad fellow officers. The best way to make ones associated group better is to hold them accountable within and that goes for any group.

[Coolbreeze44]

Not surprised at all. What else were frightened jurors going to do?

Im not surprised by your reaction. I'll leave it at that.

I'm not saying whether I agree or not with the verdict, I'm simply saying it was a no brainer. If you have something to say, say it.

Anyone who has done jury duty knows if the nature of a case frightens you, you don't get selected. Even if you weren't, you'd say so just to get out of being part of the 12. If you wanna knock anyone then knock the judge for selecting frightened jurors.


If anything, be mad at the fact that they wasted little time deliberating.

I'm not mad at all. You were never going to find jurors in this case who weren't frightened. I mean that's just a fact. I didn't watch any of the trial, only read a little about it. I have no opinion on whether he should have been convicted or not. Just saying the trial was over before it started. And if you were on edge about what the decision was going to be, you shouldn't have been.

Cool you are better than that. You already made up your mind did next to no research on the trial and are now making what sounds like a irrefutable claim. Like I said you are better than that.

Ummm...

Have you not read his other "OT" threads?

You want to pick a fight with me? DM me, let's see what you got.

Settle down tough guy.

No let's have it. I've been taking shit from you for too long. Those days are over. Send me a message and let's do this.

[Coolbreeze44]

Not surprised at all. What else were frightened jurors going to do?

Im not surprised by your reaction. I'll leave it at that.

I'm not saying whether I agree or not with the verdict, I'm simply saying it was a no brainer. If you have something to say, say it.

Anyone who has done jury duty knows if the nature of a case frightens you, you don't get selected. Even if you weren't, you'd say so just to get out of being part of the 12. If you wanna knock anyone then knock the judge for selecting frightened jurors.


If anything, be mad at the fact that they wasted little time deliberating.

I'm not mad at all. You were never going to find jurors in this case who weren't frightened. I mean that's just a fact. I didn't watch any of the trial, only read a little about it. I have no opinion on whether he should have been convicted or not. Just saying the trial was over before it started. And if you were on edge about what the decision was going to be, you shouldn't have been.

Cool you are better than that. You already made up your mind did next to no research on the trial and are now making what sounds like a irrefutable claim. Like I said you are better than that.

I don't understand Monster. What did I say that was wrong? You don't think these jurors knew what was at stake? Maybe they got it right, maybe they didn't. But the process was only heading in one direction, and I think that's too bad.

So you don't believe in the process at all?

Of course I do. But this was an extreme case. I know you're smart enough to realize what I'm saying.

[bleedspeed]

1) no, they it's flat out police brutality, abuse of authority, etc. It's been a major issue for years and if the fact that more black people are proportionately killed by police than anyone else gets this shit changed so be it.

2) Our country decided to be world police, world humanitarians, etc and made asylum a thing (seeking safety). You say welfare, do you have any idea how many immigrants are on gov't assistance or the kind of work immigrants do when they get here?
Do you even have a clue as to how hard it is to travel thousands a miles like that? If you are saying people making the decision to flee their country to seek asylum in the US are not hard decisions... yikes

3) What freedoms and liberties of yours have been limited?

4) uhhh I hear that shit all the time from certain segments of the country. Often the same ones who blame someone's own death on them for not obeying a command saying, but they should just have listened. Any human being who is killed by a cop when there was ZERO realistic fear for life is not THE fucking "criminal". FULL. STOP. Unjustly killing a person is one of the very worsts crimes any person can commit. The amount of times I'll see someone reference a person as a criminal who's worst "crime" is some weak misdemeanor relating to said person being killed by a cop. (IE: cop kills unarmed non violent person and people say, but this criminal didn't listen)

I guess I struck a nerve with you.

1. Police brutality and abuse of power exists, but where is the proof that either of these cases are racially motivated?
2. I have a ton of respect for hardworking people that come from all over. I do think we have a welfare problem created this century that incentives people to work less and higher taxes reduce opportunity and prosperity in this country.
3. Do you not understand curfews? People's right to make a living is impacted and numerous other things.
4. Victim mentality and accountability are a much bigger problem than law enforcement issues you mention. Having a child out of wedlock, using drugs, not prioritizing education, are pathways to poverty. Pretty simple shit to avoid.

[Coolbreeze44]

Good Job Minnesota.

For what? Ruining the businesses of thousands of it's citizens?

[AbeVigodaLive]

Not surprised at all. What else were frightened jurors going to do?

Im not surprised by your reaction. I'll leave it at that.

I'm not saying whether I agree or not with the verdict, I'm simply saying it was a no brainer. If you have something to say, say it.

Anyone who has done jury duty knows if the nature of a case frightens you, you don't get selected. Even if you weren't, you'd say so just to get out of being part of the 12. If you wanna knock anyone then knock the judge for selecting frightened jurors.


If anything, be mad at the fact that they wasted little time deliberating.

I'm not mad at all. You were never going to find jurors in this case who weren't frightened. I mean that's just a fact. I didn't watch any of the trial, only read a little about it. I have no opinion on whether he should have been convicted or not. Just saying the trial was over before it started. And if you were on edge about what the decision was going to be, you shouldn't have been.

Cool you are better than that. You already made up your mind did next to no research on the trial and are now making what sounds like a irrefutable claim. Like I said you are better than that.

Ummm...

Have you not read his other "OT" threads?

You want to pick a fight with me? DM me, let's see what you got.

Settle down tough guy.

No let's have it. I've been taking shit from you for too long. Those days are over. Send me a message and let's do this.

What is wrong with you?

Are you like this in real life?

Chill.



[Note: What would a DM meltdown solve?]

[bleedspeed]

Well said. Bad cops need to be held accountable, good cops need to be praised far more and they should be extremely applauded, praised, trained and protected for speaking out against bad fellow officers. The best way to make ones associated group better is to hold them accountable within and that goes for any group.

Agreed - I think getting rid of Public-Sector unions is the quickest path to fixing this and the education system that protects bad actors at a fundamental level, but how do you fix hearts and minds that are drinking what the media is pushing.