Trade market and trade hype thread

[WildWolf2813]

Trading for Jackson doesn't mean they made the wrong pick of Dunn or they are low on him at this point. Jackson at this point is simply a more talented player than Rubio. You can debate which guy helps his team more but if this was a year ago and we traded Rubio and Bazz for Jackson I think most people would have been THRILLED. Jackson has the game that would be terrific as a 30mpg 6th man. You can't say that about Rubio.

Lavine has been basically playing with the bench in a pseudo 6th man role imagine if you put Jackson as the 6th man. Would Jackson come off the bench this year or in the future? Idk but based on his rotations this year there is a possibility of Jackson playing plenty of minutes. Would he give up some of his usage and pass the ball enough? Idk it would be interesting to see if Thibs could make it work. If Jackson started Suddenly Diengs complimentary unselfish play would become a more significant asset.

As for the other stuff that comes with Jackson. That's a big concern and it's a big deal. He would have to buy in bigtime and I don't know if he is capable of doing that. If he did...wow that would be a heck of a trade. Zach Randolph was a guy with baggage and Memphis took him on because they had cap space and man that turned out to be great. It would be a gamble. I also wonder if he would be a guy that would be able to be dealt again if it didn't work out. At this point I think he would have more value than Rubio does but his value could be worse.

How would it not be an indictment on where Thibs is on Dunn? We're about to enter a draft class filled with young talented PG's. Our PG's values get torpedoed with a move like this. First of all, Dieng making $64 mil and Jackson with an $80 mil contract when both ideally would be off the bench is a poor allocation of salaries when this team needs a starting PF and possibly even a SF if Wiggins and LaVine fail to play well together.

At the very least, it would be hard to trust Thibs with draft picks since apparently he has no real clue what he wants.

Have to chuckle when I see you post things like this (because it isn't the first time). Granted, Dunn wasn't my first choice, but it's way too early to act like he's a shitty draft pick and I'm not sure why you think Thibs has no clue what he wants. Dunn is exactly the kind of guard I'd envision him wanting -- defensive-minded, physically imposing, and an attacker on offense. It's also Thibs' first draft pick. Boy, you're jumping the gun with the accusations... He doesn't deserve full credit for the Bulls roster makeup, but it's fair to speculate that he probably had a hand in drafting Jimmy Butler and Doug McDermott, and he reportedly wanted Draymond Green. Have some patience.

This isn't about patience. Granted I'm out of patience but it's not about that. It's about once again us as fans sold false hope. It's hard to convince fans that Dunn is who we wants running the offense he's trying to make Wiggins that guy. It's hard to convince us this when he's running damn near the triangle out there. It's hard to convince us when Dunn or Rubio are just parked in a corner as if we just need them to shoot.


Assuming we did get Jackson, that shuts the door on Dunn being a starter here. Jackson chafed at being Westbrook's backup, but he'd be happy doing that for Dunn soon? Probably not. We went from the possibility of Dunn overtaking Rubio and being that stable PG who can QB this offense to waiting 3-4 years to see how he progresses behind Jackson. Again, all speculation, but if it happened it couldn't be anything other than puzzling on Thibs' end. I just don't see a happy ending for Dunn considering this news as well the legit possibility that the 2017 draft is a PG land mine.

[Monster]

I give this a 20% chance of happening after listening to KFAN this AM.

Yeah and SVG went off about the reporting of this deal. I probably got my hopes up a little but the whole it seemed pretty unreasonable and unlikely to happen.

https://twitter.com/dwolfsonkstp/status/822867130316111877

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

I give this a 20% chance of happening after listening to KFAN this AM.

Yeah and SVG went off about the reporting of this deal. I probably got my hopes up a little but the whole it seemed pretty unreasonable and unlikely to happen.

https://twitter.com/dwolfsonkstp/status/822867130316111877

Yup, seems to be far more smoke on this than fire. As some of the more credible reporters have sniffed around, they aren't coming up with anything.

Good. I think Reggie Jackson is a terrible fit for our team, both in terms of his game and his attitude.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Trading for Jackson doesn't mean they made the wrong pick of Dunn or they are low on him at this point. Jackson at this point is simply a more talented player than Rubio. You can debate which guy helps his team more but if this was a year ago and we traded Rubio and Bazz for Jackson I think most people would have been THRILLED. Jackson has the game that would be terrific as a 30mpg 6th man. You can't say that about Rubio.

Lavine has been basically playing with the bench in a pseudo 6th man role imagine if you put Jackson as the 6th man. Would Jackson come off the bench this year or in the future? Idk but based on his rotations this year there is a possibility of Jackson playing plenty of minutes. Would he give up some of his usage and pass the ball enough? Idk it would be interesting to see if Thibs could make it work. If Jackson started Suddenly Diengs complimentary unselfish play would become a more significant asset.

As for the other stuff that comes with Jackson. That's a big concern and it's a big deal. He would have to buy in bigtime and I don't know if he is capable of doing that. If he did...wow that would be a heck of a trade. Zach Randolph was a guy with baggage and Memphis took him on because they had cap space and man that turned out to be great. It would be a gamble. I also wonder if he would be a guy that would be able to be dealt again if it didn't work out. At this point I think he would have more value than Rubio does but his value could be worse.

How would it not be an indictment on where Thibs is on Dunn? We're about to enter a draft class filled with young talented PG's. Our PG's values get torpedoed with a move like this. First of all, Dieng making $64 mil and Jackson with an $80 mil contract when both ideally would be off the bench is a poor allocation of salaries when this team needs a starting PF and possibly even a SF if Wiggins and LaVine fail to play well together.

At the very least, it would be hard to trust Thibs with draft picks since apparently he has no real clue what he wants.

Have to chuckle when I see you post things like this (because it isn't the first time). Granted, Dunn wasn't my first choice, but it's way too early to act like he's a shitty draft pick and I'm not sure why you think Thibs has no clue what he wants. Dunn is exactly the kind of guard I'd envision him wanting -- defensive-minded, physically imposing, and an attacker on offense. It's also Thibs' first draft pick. Boy, you're jumping the gun with the accusations... He doesn't deserve full credit for the Bulls roster makeup, but it's fair to speculate that he probably had a hand in drafting Jimmy Butler and Doug McDermott, and he reportedly wanted Draymond Green. Have some patience.

This isn't about patience. Granted I'm out of patience but it's not about that. It's about once again us as fans sold false hope. It's hard to convince fans that Dunn is who we wants running the offense he's trying to make Wiggins that guy. It's hard to convince us this when he's running damn near the triangle out there. It's hard to convince us when Dunn or Rubio are just parked in a corner as if we just need them to shoot.

Assuming we did get Jackson, that shuts the door on Dunn being a starter here. Jackson chafed at being Westbrook's backup, but he'd be happy doing that for Dunn soon? Probably not. We went from the possibility of Dunn overtaking Rubio and being that stable PG who can QB this offense to waiting 3-4 years to see how he progresses behind Jackson. Again, all speculation, but if it happened it couldn't be anything other than puzzling on Thibs' end. I just don't see a happy ending for Dunn considering this news as well the legit possibility that the 2017 draft is a PG land mine.

Perhaps Thibs sees what we see -- that Dunn isn't anywhere near ready to run the offense. And making Wiggins "that guy" is about development, in my opinion. I think he does want him to be a player similar to Jimmy Butler, but can any of us really blame him for that? If Butler had Wiggins natural ability... oh man. The problem is that Wiggins doesn't have Butler's drive, motor, and background, but that's a different conversation.

Dunn is probably two or three years away from being a regular starter, if he even turns out to be one. It's smart of Thibs to be looking for upgrades now while thinking about the future, in my opinion. You can only hope that Dunn becomes a good player, but it's not even a guarantee that he gets to Rubio or Jackson's level, thus the trade rumors.

[Monster]

I give this a 20% chance of happening after listening to KFAN this AM.

Yeah and SVG went off about the reporting of this deal. I probably got my hopes up a little but the whole it seemed pretty unreasonable and unlikely to happen.

https://twitter.com/dwolfsonkstp/status/822867130316111877

Yup, seems to be far more smoke on this than fire. As some of the more credible reporters have sniffed around, they aren't coming up with anything.

Good. I think Reggie Jackson is a terrible fit for our team, both in terms of his game and his attitude.

I couldn't help but be intruiged just because of the obvious talent Jackson is but yeah it is hard to see how it was going to work. If the price was so low (unreasonably low) it was interesting to think about.

And there is more...

https://twitter.com/jakechapmannba/status/822830002194542592

SVG said he texted Jax last night, said "this is the crazy season, we're not trading you for Ricky Rubio."

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

I'd rather trade up Jackson than keep him.

Det - Ricky, Bazz
ORL- Jackson
MN - Ibaka

We could do that, sure, OR we could acquire Jackson and still make a run at Ibaka in free agency. The money would be there since Rubio and Muhammad cost practically the same as Jackson.

Could Ibaka decide he wanted to play elsewhere? Sure, but guess what, he could do that in your scenario too. At least if you acquire Jackson you have something in hand first.

Sounds great. Then after 1 season when Lavine and Wiggins are due to get paid what do you do? Can't have Jackson, Ibaka and Dieng at the same time with Zach and Wiggins extensions kicking in. You have to get rid of one of Jackson, Ibaka, Dieng in year 1 of those extensions and a second in year 2 of those extensions with Towns also getting an extension. So you get possibly 1 year out of Jackson or Ibaka, maybe 2. Sounds like a great plan. See the domino effect your "just sign him in the off season" has on payroll?

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I'd rather trade up Jackson than keep him.

Det - Ricky, Bazz
ORL- Jackson
MN - Ibaka

We could do that, sure, OR we could acquire Jackson and still make a run at Ibaka in free agency. The money would be there since Rubio and Muhammad cost practically the same as Jackson.

Could Ibaka decide he wanted to play elsewhere? Sure, but guess what, he could do that in your scenario too. At least if you acquire Jackson you have something in hand first.

Sounds great. Then after 1 season when Lavine and Wiggins are due to get paid what do you do? Can't have Jackson, Ibaka and Dieng at the same time with Zach and Wiggins extensions kicking in. You have to get rid of one of Jackson, Ibaka, Dieng in year 1 of those extensions and a second in year 2 of those extensions with Towns also getting an extension. So you get possibly 1 year out of Jackson or Ibaka, maybe 2. Sounds like a great plan. See the domino effect your "just sign him in the off season" has on payroll?

You act like I'm unaware of the difficulties that come with potentially having three max contract players. Come on, khans. How long have we been posting back and forth with each other? Years?

My goal would be to make this team as competitive as I can in the short-term to help the young trio come along -- maybe even get some playoff experience during that time.

If I could assemble a team with Jackson and Ibaka around Towns, LaVine, and Wiggins, that'd be pretty sweet, in my opinion. That's assuming Jackson isn't the cancer he's been made out to be, but again, I trust Thibs and his voice in the locker room.

Tell me what's different about our situation financially with Jackson here instead of Rubio. He has one more year on his contract than Rubio, and it's not like he's an untradeable piece, neither is Dieng. You do what you can to get the young trio to become an actual Big Three and if you have to in the future, you shift some parts around to adjust.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Meanwhile, in your plan, you could trade Rubio for Jackson and then Jackson for Ibaka, and six months from now you could have none of them. You essentially just dealt Rubio for an expiring -- or cap room. Like I said to doper, that's not the worst move, by any means, but it is a lazy one.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

I'd rather trade up Jackson than keep him.

Det - Ricky, Bazz
ORL- Jackson
MN - Ibaka

We could do that, sure, OR we could acquire Jackson and still make a run at Ibaka in free agency. The money would be there since Rubio and Muhammad cost practically the same as Jackson.

Could Ibaka decide he wanted to play elsewhere? Sure, but guess what, he could do that in your scenario too. At least if you acquire Jackson you have something in hand first.

Sounds great. Then after 1 season when Lavine and Wiggins are due to get paid what do you do? Can't have Jackson, Ibaka and Dieng at the same time with Zach and Wiggins extensions kicking in. You have to get rid of one of Jackson, Ibaka, Dieng in year 1 of those extensions and a second in year 2 of those extensions with Towns also getting an extension. So you get possibly 1 year out of Jackson or Ibaka, maybe 2. Sounds like a great plan. See the domino effect your "just sign him in the off season" has on payroll?

You act like I'm unaware of the difficulties that come with potentially having three max contract players. Come on, khans. How long have we been posting back and forth with each other? Years?

My goal would be to make this team as competitive as I can in the short-term to help the young trio come along -- maybe even get some playoff experience during that time.

If I could assemble a team with Jackson and Ibaka around Towns, LaVine, and Wiggins, that'd be pretty sweet, in my opinion. That's assuming Jackson isn't the cancer he's been made out to be, but again, I trust Thibs and his voice in the locker room.

Tell me what's different about our situation financially with Jackson here instead of Rubio. He has one more year on his contract than Rubio, and it's not like he's an untradeable piece, neither is Dieng. You do what you can to get the young trio to become an actual Big Three and if you have to in the future, you shift some parts around to adjust.

The problem is having both Ibaka and Jackson. You can't do both. Sure Jackson costs the same as Ricky and Bazz. Jackson and Ibaka don't and that's my point you seem to overlook. You get one. Do you want Jackson or Ibaka? We don't have the option to get Jackson now and Ibaka this summer and keep them around the big 3. The math doesn't work. You can keep one of them though so my deal gets Ibaka and first dibs to re-sign him with better tools to re-sign him than anyone else has. That's the point. If we trade for Ibaka and he leaves then so much for your "just sign him in the off season" pitch too. I'd rather have the money and flexibility than the roster jam requiring us to deal from a point of weakness because we backed ourselves up against the cap as your scenario does.

[WildWolf2813]

Perhaps Thibs sees what we see -- that Dunn isn't anywhere near ready to run the offense. And making Wiggins "that guy" is about development, in my opinion. I think he does want him to be a player similar to Jimmy Butler, but can any of us really blame him for that? If Butler had Wiggins natural ability... oh man. The problem is that Wiggins doesn't have Butler's drive, motor, and background, but that's a different conversation.

Dunn is probably two or three years away from being a regular starter, if he even turns out to be one. It's smart of Thibs to be looking for upgrades now while thinking about the future, in my opinion. You can only hope that Dunn becomes a good player, but it's not even a guarantee that he gets to Rubio or Jackson's level, thus the trade rumors.

If he's that far away from being a starter, then it was a bad pick since he was supposed to be ready now