Around the NBA (non-Wolves talk)

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Q12543 wrote:Looking at some of the plays Donovan Mitchell makes you just have to wonder how the hell Pitino did not just give this kid the keys to his offense. It's hard to believe he averaged 15 points and 3 assists last year for Louisville. The passes he makes and the shots he creates aren't things he could have just developed in one summer!


Well, Utah's front office obviously saw something in him and traded up to get him.
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Part of me would love to see the Jazz win this series against the Rockets because I generally like the underdog and I also admire the Jazz organization as a model for what I wish we had in Minnesota. On the other hand, I was looking forward to a showdown between the Rockets and Warriors, which I think would be a fun and highly competitive matchup. Then again, I'm not sure the Rockets are at the Warriors level when the Warriors are healthy and in high gear as they appear to be right now.

I still think the Rockets will come out of the second round against the Jazz. But tonight's win in Houston has made things interesting.
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kekgeek1 wrote:Donavan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert as so fricking special. It blows my mind how good those 2 are. Watching Gobert play defense is amazing compared to KAT. Also is Mitchell a top 20 player in the NBA already, I mean he is leading a damn good team as a rookie. Also Ingles is also is maybe the best super role player in the NBA.


Gobert is a hell of a defensive player -- and that's not just compared to KAT. KAT is amazing on the offensive end compared to Gobert. I woudn't even consider trading KAT for Gobert, but I sure would love to have both. And sadly, it was possible for the Wolves to have both. But rather than draft Gobert with the low first round pick we had remaining in 2014, the Wolves chose to sell the pick for fricking cash. Folks on this Board will remember that I wanted to draft McCollum that year. Folks will also remember that when Flip traded down, I wanted to draft the Greek Freak and Gorgui and then draft Gobert with the pick we sold. (I'll admit I thought Gorgui would be better than Gobert, but I loved Gobert's potential And I wasn't alone. As everyone knows, last summer I would have drafted John Collins instead of Patton. I'll admit I didn't expect Donovan Mitchell and Jason Tatum to be a good as they've been this season, although I liked both as talents in last year's draft. I thought Gorgui would be better than he's been. And I didn't even know who Kyle Kuzma was before the Lakers drafted him. But I'm just a rube and yet the Wolves would still be much better off if I had been the team's PBO the past 5 years. That's troubling to say the least.

I know we all complain about certain Wolves players from time to time, but the players we have (and don't have) are the sum total of decisions made by front office executives, including Flip, Milt Newton and Tom Thibodeau over the past 5 years. There's simply no substitute for front office executives with really good judgment. Teams generally don't become championship contenders based on the obvious. The Spurs did the obvious when they took Tim Duncan with the top pick in the draft. But what made them a perennial championship contender for many years were the less obvious decisions - drafting Tony Parker near the bottom of the first round and Manu near the bottom of the 2nd round while also signing young free agent talent like Danny Green. And of course, there was the earlier decision to hire Popovich. I'm not even sure drafting Michael Jordan was the clear obvious for the Bulls back in 1984 without hindsight, but even if it was, trading for the draft rights to Scottie Pippen and drafting Horace Grant a couple years later and then eventually signing Tony Kukoc were the not so obvious front office decisions that eventually helped make the Bulls the best team in the League for a long time.

I'm still waiting for the day when a Wolves front office does something comparable to what these other teams have done -- drafting a Donovan Mitchell, Rudy Gobert, John Stockton, Paul Millsap, Scottie Pippen, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, or Kyle Kuzma, etc., and hiring as head coach a Phil Jackson, Greg Popovic, Brad Stevens, Quin Snyder, or Brett Brown.
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Yeah, hell of a win by Utah. That is a super impressive team. They just made this into a series!
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Q12543 wrote:Yeah, hell of a win by Utah. That is a super impressive team. They just made this into a series!



It's not a coincidence that they won when Rubio didn't play.








Just kidding, Q.
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You know who hired Quinn Snyder to put him on the road to the NBA after what happened in Missouri? David Kahn. Yep he hired him when he was running the Austin Torres and interviewed him when deciding whether to fire Rambis or not. They brought up Kahn had an association with Snyder on Souhan and Jon K's recent podcast. They joked that at one point one of the bad part of Snyder's resume was that Kahn had interviewed him for a coaching job. Lol
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Q12543 wrote:Yeah, hell of a win by Utah. That is a super impressive team. They just made this into a series!



It's not a coincidence that they won when Rubio didn't play.








Just kidding, Q.


Well, they lost when he didn't play too!

The fact is that team is just brilliantly put together and coached with an ensemble of contributors. Ricky doesn't have to play a huge role for them to be effective. Gobert is a defensive superstar. Mitchell is turning into an offensive superstar (not there yet, but my God, you can just see him blossoming. He does shit you can't teach or practice with a trainer over the summer). And then they have a bunch of solid supporting players that just "do their job" as Thibs likes to say. Rubio is one of them.
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Toronto may put in a request to be moved to the Western Conference just so that they can be beaten by someone other than Cleveland on their way to a playoff exit.
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Q12543 wrote:Toronto may put in a request to be moved to the Western Conference just so that they can be beaten by someone other than Cleveland on their way to a playoff exit.


When Love George Hill and JR Smith combine for 61 points...Lebron has a shot to get to the finals. Man was I wrong...that series is over. And get this just looked a bit more at the box score...Toronto shot 54% and 40% on 3's and were beaten easily. Ouch.
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monsterpile wrote:
Q12543 wrote:Toronto may put in a request to be moved to the Western Conference just so that they can be beaten by someone other than Cleveland on their way to a playoff exit.


When Love George Hill and JR Smith combine for 61 points...Lebron has a shot to get to the finals. Man was I wrong...that series is over. And get this just looked a bit more at the box score...Toronto shot 54% and 40% on 3's and were beaten easily. Ouch.


Yeah, I saw that too. Besides Cleveland shooting so well, they also didn't turn the ball over much. LeBron and Love combined for 74 points and 16 assists, but only had two turnovers. Now that is some really efficient basketball. You don't have to play great defense when you are making all your shots and not turning it over.
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