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AbeVigodaLive wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:Raptors swept and blown out in an ellimination game 4. Ouch. I feel bad for that team and it's fans. Honestly I don't know if they need to do anything drastic though. It's a good team and they have done well with young players. Keep building.

I disagree. I don't say it much but time to blow it up. If it wasn't this year when is it going to happen. They were the 1 seed. LBJ worst team vs this version of the Raptors. Celtics without their best 2 players. Sixers super young. And Casey switched up his coaching philosophy and where did that get them. Getting swept for the 3rd time in 4 years.

I honestly don't see a path. Lowry is going to start hitting the decline. Same with Ibaka. They have no cap space. They have no real upside young players even though they are all good (I do like OG though).

I know KOC mentioned a Wiggins/ Teague for Lowry/ miles/siakam trade. I wouldn't touch that trade if i'm the wolves.

The door was never going to be wider for the Raptors than this year. They are at least going to be the 3rd best team in the east at best going forward and if LBJ stays east they will be at best 4th. With the Pacers and possibly bucks and wizards nipping at their heels.

Not a big KOC guy but "BLOW IT UP!!!!!"

Something needs to happen in Toronto. I predicted a 30-point loss last night... and I was only sort of facetious with it.

They lost by 35.

Has a COY ever been fired before? It might happen this season. I don't know which one gets moved... Lowry or DeRozan... but one of them is gone for certain. And Toronto seems enamored with VanVleet anyway. I don't think they become irrelevant, they're still pretty deep... but this run has run its course. That was an embarrassing series for them.

And now Cleveland has its confidence and swagger back. It was inevitable. The East is a trainwreck.


Again.

More bad news...they don't have a draft pick in 2018 season because of deals for Miles and PJ Tucker.

Maybe you guys are right they need to do something. I could see them being willing to deal Lowry if they got a nice return since they could resign Van Vliet and also have Wright. He makes 30 million though so...that's a lot of money they have to take back to make a deal work. It will certainly make the offseason interesting. Maybe they make some sort of move to get better themselves.

They're going to have to pony up to keep restricted FA VanVleet... and nothing I've seen indicates they're willing to let him walk. So why have $45 - $50M on the books at PG?

Lowry is due a whopping $64M for the next two years. Back to the proposed Wolves deal... it could make sense. Maybe. Short term. I don't see how Lowry is here after two years. He'll be 34. He's a small PG. And there are signs he's already tapering down into his late career slide.

Is there another young Raptors player that could be moved to Minnesota to give the Wolves more long-term flexibility/hope? I'm 99.9% certain that OG Anunoby would be completely off the table. Delon Wright? Poetl?

And if the Stat Geeks/Blog Boys finally win out in Canada... will DeRozan be made available? We've always compared Wiggins/DeRozan already. Will Toronto give up the more successful (but obviously flawed player who's hit his ceiling) for the younger version who's a local kid with untapped potential?

monsterpile wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:Raptors swept and blown out in an ellimination game 4. Ouch. I feel bad for that team and it's fans. Honestly I don't know if they need to do anything drastic though. It's a good team and they have done well with young players. Keep building.

I disagree. I don't say it much but time to blow it up. If it wasn't this year when is it going to happen. They were the 1 seed. LBJ worst team vs this version of the Raptors. Celtics without their best 2 players. Sixers super young. And Casey switched up his coaching philosophy and where did that get them. Getting swept for the 3rd time in 4 years.

I honestly don't see a path. Lowry is going to start hitting the decline. Same with Ibaka. They have no cap space. They have no real upside young players even though they are all good (I do like OG though).

I know KOC mentioned a Wiggins/ Teague for Lowry/ miles/siakam trade. I wouldn't touch that trade if i'm the wolves.

The door was never going to be wider for the Raptors than this year. They are at least going to be the 3rd best team in the east at best going forward and if LBJ stays east they will be at best 4th. With the Pacers and possibly bucks and wizards nipping at their heels.

Not a big KOC guy but "BLOW IT UP!!!!!"

Something needs to happen in Toronto. I predicted a 30-point loss last night... and I was only sort of facetious with it.

They lost by 35.

Has a COY ever been fired before? It might happen this season. I don't know which one gets moved... Lowry or DeRozan... but one of them is gone for certain. And Toronto seems enamored with VanVleet anyway. I don't think they become irrelevant, they're still pretty deep... but this run has run its course. That was an embarrassing series for them.

And now Cleveland has its confidence and swagger back. It was inevitable. The East is a trainwreck.


Again.

More bad news...they don't have a draft pick in 2018 season because of deals for Miles and PJ Tucker.

Maybe you guys are right they need to do something. I could see them being willing to deal Lowry if they got a nice return since they could resign Van Vliet and also have Wright. He makes 30 million though so...that's a lot of money they have to take back to make a deal work. It will certainly make the offseason interesting. Maybe they make some sort of move to get better themselves.

They're going to have to pony up to keep restricted FA VanVleet... and nothing I've seen indicates they're willing to let him walk. So why have $45 - $50M on the books at PG?

Lowry is due a whopping $64M for the next two years. Back to the proposed Wolves deal... it could make sense. Maybe. Short term. I don't see how Lowry is here after two years. He'll be 34. He's a small PG. And there are signs he's already tapering down into his late career slide.

Is there another young Raptors player that could be moved to Minnesota to give the Wolves more long-term flexibility/hope? I'm 99.9% certain that OG Anunoby would be completely off the table. Delon Wright? Poetl?

And if the Stat Geeks/Blog Boys finally win out in Canada... will DeRozan be made available? We've always compared Wiggins/DeRozan already. Will Toronto give up the more successful (but obviously flawed player who's hit his ceiling) for the younger version who's a local kid with untapped potential?

And would the Wolves be interested in givIng up Wiggins a young player for Derozan who is a good player but has his own faults? He was benched the other night down the stretch in the 4th quarter and it's not the first time I have seen that. I'm not trying to to say either DeRozan sucks or Casey is doing something dumb it's just...yeah.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:Raptors swept and blown out in an ellimination game 4. Ouch. I feel bad for that team and it's fans. Honestly I don't know if they need to do anything drastic though. It's a good team and they have done well with young players. Keep building.

I disagree. I don't say it much but time to blow it up. If it wasn't this year when is it going to happen. They were the 1 seed. LBJ worst team vs this version of the Raptors. Celtics without their best 2 players. Sixers super young. And Casey switched up his coaching philosophy and where did that get them. Getting swept for the 3rd time in 4 years.

I honestly don't see a path. Lowry is going to start hitting the decline. Same with Ibaka. They have no cap space. They have no real upside young players even though they are all good (I do like OG though).

I know KOC mentioned a Wiggins/ Teague for Lowry/ miles/siakam trade. I wouldn't touch that trade if i'm the wolves.

The door was never going to be wider for the Raptors than this year. They are at least going to be the 3rd best team in the east at best going forward and if LBJ stays east they will be at best 4th. With the Pacers and possibly bucks and wizards nipping at their heels.

Not a big KOC guy but "BLOW IT UP!!!!!"

Something needs to happen in Toronto. I predicted a 30-point loss last night... and I was only sort of facetious with it.

They lost by 35.

Has a COY ever been fired before? It might happen this season. I don't know which one gets moved... Lowry or DeRozan... but one of them is gone for certain. And Toronto seems enamored with VanVleet anyway. I don't think they become irrelevant, they're still pretty deep... but this run has run its course. That was an embarrassing series for them.

And now Cleveland has its confidence and swagger back. It was inevitable. The East is a trainwreck.


Again.

More bad news...they don't have a draft pick in 2018 season because of deals for Miles and PJ Tucker.

Maybe you guys are right they need to do something. I could see them being willing to deal Lowry if they got a nice return since they could resign Van Vliet and also have Wright. He makes 30 million though so...that's a lot of money they have to take back to make a deal work. It will certainly make the offseason interesting. Maybe they make some sort of move to get better themselves.

They're going to have to pony up to keep restricted FA VanVleet... and nothing I've seen indicates they're willing to let him walk. So why have $45 - $50M on the books at PG?

Lowry is due a whopping $64M for the next two years. Back to the proposed Wolves deal... it could make sense. Maybe. Short term. I don't see how Lowry is here after two years. He'll be 34. He's a small PG. And there are signs he's already tapering down into his late career slide.

Is there another young Raptors player that could be moved to Minnesota to give the Wolves more long-term flexibility/hope? I'm 99.9% certain that OG Anunoby would be completely off the table. Delon Wright? Poetl?

And if the Stat Geeks/Blog Boys finally win out in Canada... will DeRozan be made available? We've always compared Wiggins/DeRozan already. Will Toronto give up the more successful (but obviously flawed player who's hit his ceiling) for the younger version who's a local kid with untapped potential?

And would the Wolves be interested in givIng up Wiggins a young player for Derozan who is a good player but has his own faults? He was benched the other night down the stretch in the 4th quarter and it's not the first time I have seen that. I'm not trying to to say either DeRozan sucks or Casey is doing something dumb it's just...yeah.

That's the rub.

Should Wiggins not being benched for poor performances in meaningless games be a red flag for DeRozan? Will Wiggins ever reach the level that the flawed DeRozan has reached?

Because despite being flawed and benched or whatever... there's no comparison between Wiggins and DeRozan thus far. It's all about whether Toronto/Minnesota believe Wiggins still shows the promise (and will) to reach or surpass DeRozan eventually.

I have no idea where either team comes down on that.



[Note: More comparisons... DeRozan's career really took off in his 5th year...]

Q12543 wrote:Yeah, Toronto seems like one of the few teams where a Wiggins deal could be done, but I'm not sure I like the options for Minnesota unless OG is part of the package and I doubt Toronto gives up one of their few young prospects that arguably has as much or more runway than Wiggins.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Q12543 wrote:Yeah, Toronto seems like one of the few teams where a Wiggins deal could be done, but I'm not sure I like the options for Minnesota unless OG is part of the package and I doubt Toronto gives up one of their few young prospects that arguably has as much or more runway than Wiggins.

The only glimmer of hope for OG would be to take back Ibaka's albatross of a contract... and more crap. Right?

kekgeek1 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:Chris Paul....I may dislike him more than Harden at this point.

Some of those drives to the hoop by Mitchell....just nuts. He might be a bigger, more athletic version of Kyrie Irving when it's all said and done. He's just got all sorts of tricks up his sleeve when he's going down hill. What a draft pick by the Jazz.

I've disliked Chris Paul far more than Harden for a long time. As for Mitchell, he's definitely a lot quicker and more athletic than Kyrie. I'm not sure he's bigger and he's not yet at Kyrie's level as a perimeter shooter. No doubt it was a great pick. And remember that the Jazz traded up to get him. So they clearly had their eye on him and didn't just put their front office finger to the wind in choosing him from a bunch of others on their draft board. The three best picks in last year's draft at a level above all others were Mitchell, Tatum and Kuzma.

Right, Mitchell does need a more reliable outside shot. I think that will come. He's still just a rookie!

Now here is the bad news...Utah was one of those teams a lot of us sort of wrote off as "meh" for this year. Nope. These guys are going to be entrenched in the playoffs for many years to come so long as Gobert and Mitchell stay healthy. I think they probably need one more decent shot creator (Wiggins for Ingles anyone??? Utah says no I bet).

How about Thibodeau for Snyder? :) I'd include our first and second round picks this year. I'll bet the Jazz would say no to that. And that's pretty telling.

So we give up picks for a coach that also had his team crushed by the rockets