monsterpile wrote:Frustrating loss for a lot of reasons. On the other hand a play or 2 or a shot or 2 goes down we win against one of the best home teams in the league. Those offensive rebounds were killers. At least in the first half we kept them from converting them into points for the most part.
I'm usually with you monster but in a huge game we need to come away with it and we didn't. Playoffs in huge danger now
I agree. No more excuses for this team. We lose a game at home against Memphis, one of the worst teams in the League. In fact, we get manhandled by them. We have a huge game at home against a key rival, the Jazz, and get dominated. And here we have another huge game against a good but not great team and although we make it close we lose. Thibs holds out Butler for the Laker game. Teague continues to overdribble. Wiggins stands around on offense and finishes 4-12, which might have something to do with a PG who doesn't make his teammates better. Not acceptable.
The Blazers lost last night to basically the G-League Mavs. The Wolves aren't the only team losing to bad teams. People have been so beaten down by this franchise they expect the worst. Of course if this was a bad team that would assume we would win too many games and hurt the draft pick. Let's be honest even a tanktastic Wolves team would have a decent chance of winning at least one of the upcoming games. It feels like the sky is falling or homerism sometimes with nothing in the middle. Just sayin.
The Blazers have clinched a spot and have all but wrapped up 3rd seed. Their margin for error is a lot bigger than ours.
Do you know why we expect the worst from this team? Because that's all they allow us to expect. This is a collapse in progress. I think it hurts more optimistic fans that cynics of this team are gonna turn out to be right AGAIN! The same people that were poo-pooing this team even at their peak are gonna turn around and tell every fan or pundit who had hope "I told you so." Somehow the idea of this even happening is now very realistic when it should have never gotten to this point.
I'm gonna say what I said a year after that version of the Wolves disappointed everyone: How do you go into next season lying to everyone and putting on a front to get people excited? First personnel guy to say "well they did some nice things this season" deserves a tomato thrown at them and I hope Glen says it.
TheFuture wrote:From a nothing to a star. Competitive as they come. Do you really believe that Jimmy Butler is not playing if he doesn't feel 100%??
I think it is an easy avenue for fans to focus blame on our star rather than focusing on the BS of our other players and our coach.
Future - I can't speak for Kahns, but I don't think he's blaming Butler. I think he's blaming the coach who apparently had the choice to play Butler tonight or tomorrow night agasint the Lakers. There's no way Butler said he didn't want to play tonight. So I put that squarely onthe coach unless I hear definitively otherwise. In any event, overall I put this loss on Thibs and all the other players except Towns.
All the reports were it was left up to butler. Hard to imagine if butler said he could go that thibs wouldn't play him when thibs could be fighting for his job
Also they can say it was Jimmy's call all they want. If you see the quotes Jimmy came out with, he's playing if it's his call.
Quotes before the game:
Malone believes butler is playing. "Cmon man. Doubtful? I've got a bridge to sell you."
Jimmy-
"I gotta realize that at the end of the day, it's my decision, my career. I have to listen to my body."
"I feel like I'm a really good player. I can still put the ball in the basket a little bit and I feel like I'm ready to get out there with my guys. We'll see how I feel before the game. "
"I'm tougher than everybody. So if I'm tired, my mind's telling me I'm not tired. So I'll be just fine. Go out there, compete, get some wind, talk a little bit and before you know it I'm not even tired. My mind's not going to let me get tired."
monsterpile wrote:Frustrating loss for a lot of reasons. On the other hand a play or 2 or a shot or 2 goes down we win against one of the best home teams in the league. Those offensive rebounds were killers. At least in the first half we kept them from converting them into points for the most part.
I'm usually with you monster but in a huge game we need to come away with it and we didn't. Playoffs in huge danger now
I agree. No more excuses for this team. We lose a game at home against Memphis, one of the worst teams in the League. In fact, we get manhandled by them. We have a huge game at home against a key rival, the Jazz, and get dominated. And here we have another huge game against a good but not great team and although we make it close we lose. Thibs holds out Butler for the Laker game. Teague continues to overdribble. Wiggins stands around on offense and finishes 4-12, which might have something to do with a PG who doesn't make his teammates better. Not acceptable.
The Blazers lost last night to basically the G-League Mavs. The Wolves aren't the only team losing to bad teams. People have been so beaten down by this franchise they expect the worst. Of course if this was a bad team that would assume we would win too many games and hurt the draft pick. Let's be honest even a tanktastic Wolves team would have a decent chance of winning at least one of the upcoming games. It feels like the sky is falling or homerism sometimes with nothing in the middle. Just sayin.
The Blazers have clinched a spot and have all but wrapped up 3rd seed. Their margin for error is a lot bigger than ours.
Do you know why we expect the worst from this team? Because that's all they allow us to expect. This is a collapse in progress. I think it hurts more optimistic fans that cynics of this team are gonna turn out to be right AGAIN! The same people that were poo-pooing this team even at their peak are gonna turn around and tell every fan or pundit who had hope "I told you so." Somehow the idea of this even happening is now very realistic when it should have never gotten to this point.
I'm gonna say what I said a year after that version of the Wolves disappointed everyone: How do you go into next season lying to everyone and putting on a front to get people excited? First personnel guy to say "well they did some nice things this season" deserves a tomato thrown at them and I hope Glen says it.
Ditto!!!!!!!
I also think it has to do with a lot of nerves going forward also. Is Glenn going to be happy paying the lux tax after another disappointing season. We are going to struggle to sign our best 2 bench guys over the next 2 seasons in belly and tyus. We will hit the lux tax in a year. Also Jimmy hypothetically could leave and we would have 0 ways to add another piece without massively blowing it up. We are in cap hall and not sure Glenn is going to happy about paying his money for a 8th or 7th place team
khans2k5 wrote:Also they can say it was Jimmy's call all they want. If you see the quotes Jimmy came out with, he's playing if it's his call.
Quotes before the game:
Malone believes butler is playing. "Cmon man. Doubtful? I've got a bridge to sell you."
Jimmy-
"I gotta realize that at the end of the day, it's my decision, my career. I have to listen to my body."
"I feel like I'm a really good player. I can still put the ball in the basket a little bit and I feel like I'm ready to get out there with my guys. We'll see how I feel before the game. "
"I'm tougher than everybody. So if I'm tired, my mind's telling me I'm not tired. So I'll be just fine. Go out there, compete, get some wind, talk a little bit and before you know it I'm not even tired. My mind's not going to let me get tired."
So what you're quoting ultimately ends up concluding that Butler decided he was not good to go?
khans2k5 wrote:Also they can say it was Jimmy's call all they want. If you see the quotes Jimmy came out with, he's playing if it's his call.
Quotes before the game:
Malone believes butler is playing. "Cmon man. Doubtful? I've got a bridge to sell you."
Jimmy-
"I gotta realize that at the end of the day, it's my decision, my career. I have to listen to my body."
"I feel like I'm a really good player. I can still put the ball in the basket a little bit and I feel like I'm ready to get out there with my guys. We'll see how I feel before the game. "
"I'm tougher than everybody. So if I'm tired, my mind's telling me I'm not tired. So I'll be just fine. Go out there, compete, get some wind, talk a little bit and before you know it I'm not even tired. My mind's not going to let me get tired."
So what you're quoting ultimately ends up concluding that Butler decided he was not good to go?
butler isnt oked for b2b's yet. So, I thinkthe decision was made to suit up for the next one.
khans2k5 wrote:Also they can say it was Jimmy's call all they want. If you see the quotes Jimmy came out with, he's playing if it's his call.
Quotes before the game:
Malone believes butler is playing. "Cmon man. Doubtful? I've got a bridge to sell you."
Jimmy-
"I gotta realize that at the end of the day, it's my decision, my career. I have to listen to my body."
"I feel like I'm a really good player. I can still put the ball in the basket a little bit and I feel like I'm ready to get out there with my guys. We'll see how I feel before the game. "
"I'm tougher than everybody. So if I'm tired, my mind's telling me I'm not tired. So I'll be just fine. Go out there, compete, get some wind, talk a little bit and before you know it I'm not even tired. My mind's not going to let me get tired."
So what you're quoting ultimately ends up concluding that Butler decided he was not good to go?
You must have just skimmed the last quote didn't you? Somehow a guy who can mentally get past anything decided it just wasn't happening tonight. I'm done arguing it. If he plays tomorrow I'm calling BS on tonight that he couldn't play. That tells me they saved him for the second game and tried to steal one tonight and it backfired.
khans2k5 wrote:Also they can say it was Jimmy's call all they want. If you see the quotes Jimmy came out with, he's playing if it's his call.
Quotes before the game:
Malone believes butler is playing. "Cmon man. Doubtful? I've got a bridge to sell you."
Jimmy-
"I gotta realize that at the end of the day, it's my decision, my career. I have to listen to my body."
"I feel like I'm a really good player. I can still put the ball in the basket a little bit and I feel like I'm ready to get out there with my guys. We'll see how I feel before the game. "
"I'm tougher than everybody. So if I'm tired, my mind's telling me I'm not tired. So I'll be just fine. Go out there, compete, get some wind, talk a little bit and before you know it I'm not even tired. My mind's not going to let me get tired."
So what you're quoting ultimately ends up concluding that Butler decided he was not good to go?
butler isnt oked for b2b's yet. So, I thinkthe decision was made to suit up for the next one.
I understand this hypothesis. What I'm stating is that Jimmy and everyone close to the organization knew how important this game was, and the possibility of winning this game vs. the Lakers game with or without Jimmy. Obviously this game is more crucial. If jimmy was available on his end, he would have played. I have no issue with him sitting this game out if he is not 100%. We still should have won.
Or not placed ourselves in a position to "blame" Butler for this game by losing focus vs. teams like the grizzlies.
