bleedspeed177 wrote:
I guess I struck a nerve with you.
1. Police brutality and abuse of power exists, but where is the proof that either of these cases are racially motivated?
2. I have a ton of respect for hardworking people that come from all over. I do think we have a welfare problem created this century that incentives people to work less and higher taxes reduce opportunity and prosperity in this country.
3. Do you not understand curfews? People's right to make a living is impacted and numerous other things.
4. Victim mentality and accountability are a much bigger problem than law enforcement issues you mention. Having a child out of wedlock, using drugs, not prioritizing education, are pathways to poverty. Pretty simple shit to avoid.
1) My point wasn't about how much or little racial motivation is involved in police killings. I would agree that more times than not these killings probably aren't racist by definition, but there absolutely seems to be plenty of lack of respect and probably subconscious fears as well. Chauvin without doubt had very little respect for Floyd, and let his pride and ego get in the way of caring for the person he had detained.
Basically, I see it more as a broad police brutality/abuse of power issue that sometimes is also racial, but what I was getting at was that I'm okay with police reform happening more due to the racial segment of police brutality if that's what it takes.
2) That's the point, most who come over ARE hard working. They go through a lot just to get here and then make a living here. If the vast majority of them are hard workers, why use a tiny minority who don't as reason to?
3) Yeah I hate the curfew shit too. Sometimes I think it's warranted based on the actions of people, other times I think it's just BS, but I also know without doubt that any good sized city in the country has a threshold where they would enact curfew as well, no matter where their leaders fall on the political spectrum.
Also, I hated the fact things were shutdown for extended periods of time multiple times, but I also realize soooooooo many people stuck their nose up at medical advice that directly caused things to also drag way out. I also realize the earlier messaging (especially 2-3 months in) for combating covid should have also included staying active, getting sunlight, taking vitamin D, etc and not just social distancing and staying home.
4) You don't think major law enforcement issues play into and cause some of that too? We can have racial injustice and need for major police/criminal justice reform while also acknowledging a lot of communities need to also improve from within as well as needing to vastly increase investment in bad schools and communities. Obviously not just the worst schools, but every school that is under performing (seems we agree on prioritizing education)
drugs: the #1-5 issues with drugs is that they were criminalized. Personal use is a health issue, not a criminal issue (I'm sure we can agree there).
I'll give you the child angle, but drug use and education isn't that simple for a lot of people. For ex: Some kids have drugs pushed on them at very young ages and higher education is out of reach for a lot of people as well. Improved and more heavily invested schools, making drug abuse a health issue not criminal, and investing into those most struggling areas of the country would go a very very long way in helping fix things.
