thedoper wrote:Getting Simmons would be huge for so many reasons. Im trying to not get excited Cam. It would be sad to see Jaden go, but if Rosas could hold up a foursome of KAT, Ant, DLo and Simmons that would be an insanely talented core.
You have to give something to get something. If no other teams in the league wanted Simmons, we might pull off a steal like that. But there WILL be competition for him and we won't get him for 50 cents on the dollar.
I agree, Cool. I think it's been a waiting game. Simmons has serious flaws in his game - which of course is why the Sixers are trying to trade him. There are only a handful of teams interested in acquiring Simmons. The front office executives for those teams know Ben's flaws and are testing Morey's resolve. At the end of the day, teams like the Wolves and several others will eventually start bidding on Simmons as the clock begins to run out on the start of the season. Has Morey overplayed his hand? Maybe. But even with all his flaws, Simmons is a still young all-star and elite defender. His value may not be enough to get Lillard or Beal, but there's a limit to how much of a discount any team can count on in the price to acquire him.
Houston accepted a brunch of picks as the centerpiece of their return for James Harden because they were going into full rebuild mode. The Sixers are appropriately focused on winning right now while Embiid is in his prime and healthy. Morey is not going to trade Simmons unless he receives players who will make a substantial positive impact for the team immediately. I don't see him trading Simmons for a couple rotation role players and a bunch of picks based on the hope that Lillard or Beal will be available in exchange for Simmons next February or next summer.
If you were Morey, who would you take in return for Simmons - (1) VanVleet and Anunoby from Toronto (2) Hield and Haliburton from Sacramento; or (3) Beasley, Prince and Layman from the Wolves? What if the Wolves package were Beasley, Prince and McDaniels? I love McDaniels and like Beasley, but if I were Morey with his obvious focus on winning a championship next season, I'd take VanVleet and Anunoby or Haliburton and Hield over the Beasley, Prince and McDaniels package.
Lip, I agree with your thoughts on the Kings. I think they can get Simmons without having to give up Fox. Hield, Haliburton and a #1 pick sounds like a pretty fair deal.
Duke13 wrote:I'm just gonna say this for the record, keep McDaniels, include Dlo.
I think most would agree with you on this, I know I would. The problem is Morey likely would prefer McDaniels too. We might be able to get rid of DLO when his contract becomes an expiring. Hard to see any team taking him on right now though.
I can't see the Sixers taking Buddy Hield, Tyrese Haliburton, and one first-round pick over a Minnesota package that offers two or even three first-round picks. Hield and Haliburton get them no further than they were last year -- and perhaps not even as far as that -- as well as no closer to acquiring a star to pair with Joel Embiid. Those additional picks mean more ammunition to pry away those star players, more draft picks to make a move for a role player at the deadline, etc. There's just a whole other angle to this that isn't being realized here.
Now, if Sacramento is willing to offer as many picks and swaps as Minnesota, then that might be a different story. There's just nothing out there to give me that idea.
Lip, I don't think the Kings even think about offering De'Aaron Fox unless one or more of the following happens:
- Portland makes Damian Lillard available.
- Washington makes Bradley Beal available.
- Golden State is willing to trade two of James Wiseman, Jonathan Kuminga, and Moses Moody.
- Minnesota makes D'Angelo Russell available.
I don't see any of the above scenarios playing out before mid-October, and so I think Philadelphia will have offers from those teams interested that are far below what they've demanded to this point. If they don't take the deal that allows them the flexibility to keep pursuing some of those marquee names, then I will be extremely surprised.
Camden0916 wrote:I can't see the Sixers taking Buddy Hield, Tyrese Haliburton, and one first-round pick over a Minnesota package that offers two or even three first-round picks. Hield and Haliburton get them no further than they were last year -- and perhaps not even as far as that -- as well as no closer to acquiring a star to pair with Joel Embiid. Those additional picks mean more ammunition to pry away those star players, more draft picks to make a move for a role player at the deadline, etc. There's just a whole other angle to this that isn't being realized here.
Now, if Sacramento is willing to offer as many picks and swaps as Minnesota, then that might be a different story. There's just nothing out there to give me that idea.
I actually think Harrison Barnes would be a nice player for the Sixers. I'm not sure whether Barnes or Tobias Harris is actually a PF but having both of those guys would be a couple of good players and potentially give them a lot of versatility. Heild would give them an upgrade over some of their other SGs but another forward seems more of a need.
Maybe Philly decides that they really like Haliburton and in addition taking him instead of another more established impact guard in a deal means they can get additional assets to make their next move. I agree with you how many draft assets the Kings are willing to give up to get Simmons without giving up Fox might be what separates them from another team. I didn't watch Halliburton enough last season to speak to his upside but I know some kings fans that were won over big time.
Camden0916 wrote:Lip, I don't think the Kings even think about offering De'Aaron Fox unless one or more of the following happens:
- Portland makes Damian Lillard available.
- Washington makes Bradley Beal available.
- Golden State is willing to trade two of James Wiseman, Jonathan Kuminga, and Moses Moody.
- Minnesota makes D'Angelo Russell available.
I don't see any of the above scenarios playing out before mid-October, and so I think Philadelphia will have offers from those teams interested that are far below what they've demanded to this point. If they don't take the deal that allows them the flexibility to keep pursuing some of those marquee names, then I will be extremely surprised.
Cam (or anyone else) if you were GS what would be the most you would offer for Simmons?
I listened to Johnny Athletic on Barriero today and it was pretty much the same thing as always. Besides he said Simmons says he isn't reporting, the wolves still probably need a 3rd team, the one thing I did think was interesting he said was for the 1st time he believes Rosas would pull the trigger on trading Dlo for Simmons. That is the 1st time he John K has believed that but the Wolves still trying to make it happen without Dlo
Camden0916 wrote:Lip, I don't think the Kings even think about offering De'Aaron Fox unless one or more of the following happens:
- Portland makes Damian Lillard available.
- Washington makes Bradley Beal available.
- Golden State is willing to trade two of James Wiseman, Jonathan Kuminga, and Moses Moody.
- Minnesota makes D'Angelo Russell available.
I don't see any of the above scenarios playing out before mid-October, and so I think Philadelphia will have offers from those teams interested that are far below what they've demanded to this point. If they don't take the deal that allows them the flexibility to keep pursuing some of those marquee names, then I will be extremely surprised.
Cam (or anyone else) if you were GS what would be the most you would offer for Simmons?
I tend to think Golden State has their eyes on Bradley Beal more so than Ben Simmons so your question, while it's a good one, is difficult to answer from their point of view for that reason. In terms of what I'd consider to be a reasonable offer, I'd say Andrew Wiggins (salary), Jonathan Kuminga, and two first-round picks would be a decent offer. I don't think they'd actually offer that and I'm not sure if Philadelphia wants to lock themselves into Wiggins, but at least they'd be able to flip those assets later.
Camden0916 wrote:Lip, I don't think the Kings even think about offering De'Aaron Fox unless one or more of the following happens:
- Portland makes Damian Lillard available.
- Washington makes Bradley Beal available.
- Golden State is willing to trade two of James Wiseman, Jonathan Kuminga, and Moses Moody.
- Minnesota makes D'Angelo Russell available.
I don't see any of the above scenarios playing out before mid-October, and so I think Philadelphia will have offers from those teams interested that are far below what they've demanded to this point. If they don't take the deal that allows them the flexibility to keep pursuing some of those marquee names, then I will be extremely surprised.
Cam (or anyone else) if you were GS what would be the most you would offer for Simmons?
Personally, I would offer Wiggins, Wiseman, kamimga and moody. Hard to get All NBA talent and Simmons is that (i am confident the warriors would not do this).
*side note I think the warriors are being the most overrated team in the NBA headed into next season. Remember they didn't make the playoffs last year, that's with Steph having an MVP type season. They are getting Klay back but it sounds like he won't play in 2021 and hasn't played in 2 full years who knows what Klay will be and I do like Kamimga and Moody but they are rookies. I will be betting their under this year
kekgeek1 wrote:I listened to Johnny Athletic on Barriero today and it was pretty much the same thing as always. Besides he said Simmons says he isn't reporting, the wolves still probably need a 3rd team, the one thing I did think was interesting he said was for the 1st time he believes Rosas would pull the trigger on trading Dlo for Simmons. That is the 1st time he John K has believed that but the Wolves still trying to make it happen without Dlo
Jon K responded to a fan's question on Twitter about the Wolves offering D'Angelo Russell in a trade for Ben Simmons. This is his response:
"They definitely don't want to. Will they if they HAVE to? That I don't know."
Take that however you'd like, I guess. It still leans towards Russell being off the table to me.
