Hicks123 wrote:None of this is new. Every year we see the same thing. Teams get sucked into the game of signing guys for more than they are worth because someone else was going to do it. My stance is that if you are unsure if a guy is worth it....you are probably correct 90+% of the time. You pay stars to be stars, and you pay everyone else your scraps.
Now, that being said, the Wolves. While I completely agree that Dieng and Teague are not likely to be traded, I think we are lucky that they are both good players and not scrubs. And all it takes is a playoff bound team that is a piece away to make a deal. Both Teague and Dieng fit that bill. They are both players that could add a solid component to a playoff caliber roster....thus there is always some hope they can be moved if needed.
More likely, we would move one or both of them in the offseason. Can the Blazers really have a backcourt signed for $55MM? Teague/Dieng/OKC pick for Lillard/Aminu? Just spit-ballin'!
Paul Allen owns the Blazers, so yes they can spend that much.
Oh, I don't question ability to physically pay. I just think it will be difficult to add the necessary pieces under the salary cap guidelines to become a very good team. Both backcourt players are a liability on defense, and frankly, they are probably the smallest backcourt in the league.
There's even speculation from the Blazers fan base that one of Lillard and McCollum pretty much has to go in order to retool their team. Obviously they're in no rush to make such a move and they're going to get something of real value, but the two of them have too similar a game for one backcourt. Neither provide a real defensive presence and as Hicks mentioned, neither are physically imposing. Not to mention they are essentially capped out thanks to the bad deals of Evan Turner and Meyers Leonard.
I think it would cost Andrew Wiggins to get one of the creative guards and of the two, I prefer Lillard.
Hicks123 wrote:None of this is new. Every year we see the same thing. Teams get sucked into the game of signing guys for more than they are worth because someone else was going to do it. My stance is that if you are unsure if a guy is worth it....you are probably correct 90+% of the time. You pay stars to be stars, and you pay everyone else your scraps.
Now, that being said, the Wolves. While I completely agree that Dieng and Teague are not likely to be traded, I think we are lucky that they are both good players and not scrubs. And all it takes is a playoff bound team that is a piece away to make a deal. Both Teague and Dieng fit that bill. They are both players that could add a solid component to a playoff caliber roster....thus there is always some hope they can be moved if needed.
More likely, we would move one or both of them in the offseason. Can the Blazers really have a backcourt signed for $55MM? Teague/Dieng/OKC pick for Lillard/Aminu? Just spit-ballin'!
Paul Allen owns the Blazers, so yes they can spend that much.
Oh, I don't question ability to physically pay. I just think it will be difficult to add the necessary pieces under the salary cap guidelines to become a very good team. Both backcourt players are a liability on defense, and frankly, they are probably the smallest backcourt in the league.
There's even speculation from the Blazers fan base that one of Lillard and McCollum pretty much has to go in order to retool their team. Obviously they're in no rush to make such a move and they're going to get something of real value, but the two of them have too similar a game for one backcourt. Neither provide a real defensive presence and as Hicks mentioned, neither are physically imposing. Not to mention they are essentially capped out thanks to the bad deals of Evan Turner and Meyers Leonard.
I think it would cost Andrew Wiggins to get one of the creative guards and of the two, I prefer Lillard.
I agree they will likely have to move one of them, but the Teague/Dieng/first would only dig them in further. Lillard is three times the guard that Teague is, and Aminu is the best defensive player in the deal, and they would be adding salary long term as well.
Hicks123 wrote:None of this is new. Every year we see the same thing. Teams get sucked into the game of signing guys for more than they are worth because someone else was going to do it. My stance is that if you are unsure if a guy is worth it....you are probably correct 90+% of the time. You pay stars to be stars, and you pay everyone else your scraps.
Now, that being said, the Wolves. While I completely agree that Dieng and Teague are not likely to be traded, I think we are lucky that they are both good players and not scrubs. And all it takes is a playoff bound team that is a piece away to make a deal. Both Teague and Dieng fit that bill. They are both players that could add a solid component to a playoff caliber roster....thus there is always some hope they can be moved if needed.
More likely, we would move one or both of them in the offseason. Can the Blazers really have a backcourt signed for $55MM? Teague/Dieng/OKC pick for Lillard/Aminu? Just spit-ballin'!
Paul Allen owns the Blazers, so yes they can spend that much.
Oh, I don't question ability to physically pay. I just think it will be difficult to add the necessary pieces under the salary cap guidelines to become a very good team. Both backcourt players are a liability on defense, and frankly, they are probably the smallest backcourt in the league.
There's even speculation from the Blazers fan base that one of Lillard and McCollum pretty much has to go in order to retool their team. Obviously they're in no rush to make such a move and they're going to get something of real value, but the two of them have too similar a game for one backcourt. Neither provide a real defensive presence and as Hicks mentioned, neither are physically imposing. Not to mention they are essentially capped out thanks to the bad deals of Evan Turner and Meyers Leonard.
I think it would cost Andrew Wiggins to get one of the creative guards and of the two, I prefer Lillard.
I agree they will likely have to move one of them, but the Teague/Dieng/first would only dig them in further. Lillard is three times the guard that Teague is, and Aminu is the best defensive player in the deal, and they would be adding salary long term as well.
Everything you said in response is true. I don't think Teague, Dieng, and a first gets it done; it probably doesn't even get it started.
This deal would have to take place in the off-season when Wiggins' cap hit blossoms to $25M, but a Lillard and Harkless for Wiggins, Aldrich, and OKC first-round pick is what I come up with. They get a better defender in the backcourt with relatively high scoring potential and youth, cap relief by dumping Harkless' $10M annually the next two years, and a first-round draft selection.
Outside of including Patton in the offer, which I would try not to do, that's perhaps the best we can realistically do.
Camden wrote:
Everything you said in response is true. I don't think Teague, Dieng, and a first gets it done; it probably doesn't even get it started.
This deal would have to take place in the off-season when Wiggins' cap hit blossoms to $25M, but a Lillard and Harkless for Wiggins, Aldrich, and OKC first-round pick is what I come up with. They get a better defender in the backcourt with relatively high scoring potential and youth, cap relief by dumping Harkless' $10M annually the next two years, and a first-round draft selection.
Outside of including Patton in the offer, which I would try not to do, that's perhaps the best we can realistically do.
The problem with that is it does nothing to solve our issues with Teague and Dieng salaries.
Have to image New York is open for business with the Prozingis injury. McDermott, and Beasley can probably be had for a 2nd. Lee would cost more but should be available as well.
rapsuperstar31 wrote:Have to image New York is open for business with the Prozingis injury. McDermott, and Beasley can probably be had for a 2nd. Lee would cost more but should be available as well.
You could be right. I'd like McDermott or Beasley with a slight preference for McDermott because of his 3-point shooting. Not sure a 2nd rounder would be enough, but I'd definitely make the offer.
Camden wrote:
Everything you said in response is true. I don't think Teague, Dieng, and a first gets it done; it probably doesn't even get it started.
This deal would have to take place in the off-season when Wiggins' cap hit blossoms to $25M, but a Lillard and Harkless for Wiggins, Aldrich, and OKC first-round pick is what I come up with. They get a better defender in the backcourt with relatively high scoring potential and youth, cap relief by dumping Harkless' $10M annually the next two years, and a first-round draft selection.
Outside of including Patton in the offer, which I would try not to do, that's perhaps the best we can realistically do.
The problem with that is it does nothing to solve our issues with Teague and Dieng salaries.
You're right. Teague would actually have to be dealt prior to that move or else it'd be impossible to get a fair deal. I still have hope that someone views Dieng as a starting center in the league. Perhaps an injury will force someone's hand.
Camden wrote:
Everything you said in response is true. I don't think Teague, Dieng, and a first gets it done; it probably doesn't even get it started.
This deal would have to take place in the off-season when Wiggins' cap hit blossoms to $25M, but a Lillard and Harkless for Wiggins, Aldrich, and OKC first-round pick is what I come up with. They get a better defender in the backcourt with relatively high scoring potential and youth, cap relief by dumping Harkless' $10M annually the next two years, and a first-round draft selection.
Outside of including Patton in the offer, which I would try not to do, that's perhaps the best we can realistically do.
The problem with that is it does nothing to solve our issues with Teague and Dieng salaries.
You're right. Teague would actually have to be dealt prior to that move or else it'd be impossible to get a fair deal. I still have hope that someone views Dieng as a starting center in the league. Perhaps an injury will force someone's hand.
Cam -- Do you think the Porzingis injury might spark an interest by the Knicks in Gorgui? If so, who should/could the Wolves realistically seek in return?
Camden wrote:
Everything you said in response is true. I don't think Teague, Dieng, and a first gets it done; it probably doesn't even get it started.
This deal would have to take place in the off-season when Wiggins' cap hit blossoms to $25M, but a Lillard and Harkless for Wiggins, Aldrich, and OKC first-round pick is what I come up with. They get a better defender in the backcourt with relatively high scoring potential and youth, cap relief by dumping Harkless' $10M annually the next two years, and a first-round draft selection.
Outside of including Patton in the offer, which I would try not to do, that's perhaps the best we can realistically do.
The problem with that is it does nothing to solve our issues with Teague and Dieng salaries.
You're right. Teague would actually have to be dealt prior to that move or else it'd be impossible to get a fair deal. I still have hope that someone views Dieng as a starting center in the league. Perhaps an injury will force someone's hand.
Cam -- Do you think the Porzingis injury might spark an interest by the Knicks in Gorgui? If so, who should/could the Wolves realistically seek in return?
I think the obvious would be to seek Courtney Lee, but I'm not sure the Knicks will like feel compelled to make a move for this season. Maybe they really like Gorgui. I just haven't seen any indication of that.
Note: I would make that trade now or in the off-season. That's very nice for us.
Camden wrote:
Everything you said in response is true. I don't think Teague, Dieng, and a first gets it done; it probably doesn't even get it started.
This deal would have to take place in the off-season when Wiggins' cap hit blossoms to $25M, but a Lillard and Harkless for Wiggins, Aldrich, and OKC first-round pick is what I come up with. They get a better defender in the backcourt with relatively high scoring potential and youth, cap relief by dumping Harkless' $10M annually the next two years, and a first-round draft selection.
Outside of including Patton in the offer, which I would try not to do, that's perhaps the best we can realistically do.
The problem with that is it does nothing to solve our issues with Teague and Dieng salaries.
You're right. Teague would actually have to be dealt prior to that move or else it'd be impossible to get a fair deal. I still have hope that someone views Dieng as a starting center in the league. Perhaps an injury will force someone's hand.
Cam -- Do you think the Porzingis injury might spark an interest by the Knicks in Gorgui? If so, who should/could the Wolves realistically seek in return?
I think the obvious would be to seek Courtney Lee, but I'm not sure the Knicks will like feel compelled to make a move for this season. Maybe they really like Gorgui. I just haven't seen any indication of that.
Note: I would make that trade now or in the off-season. That's very nice for us.
They just dealt Hernangomez to Charlotte for two 2nd round picks. If they try to make a move for this season they are seriously nuts. Heck they are in trouble for next season as Porzingis will likely miss around half of the season.
