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crazysauce wrote:Oh and this guy who broke the news of Lebron back to Cleveland is saying its done deal as well. Cavs deal been submitted.

https://twitter.com/tspence26

Here is a little tid bit from Rube chat on Tspence

http://72.32.131.210/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=279082&sid=a904c84bf3875f2f14e830d7bb57885e

sjm34 wrote:

crazysauce wrote:Oh and this guy who broke the news of Lebron back to Cleveland is saying its done deal as well. Cavs deal been submitted.

https://twitter.com/tspence26

Here is a little tid bit from Rube chat on Tspence

http://72.32.131.210/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=279082&sid=a904c84bf3875f2f14e830d7bb57885e

Too funny lol

Jester1534 wrote:

sjm34 wrote:

crazysauce wrote:Oh and this guy who broke the news of Lebron back to Cleveland is saying its done deal as well. Cavs deal been submitted.

https://twitter.com/tspence26

Here is a little tid bit from Rube chat on Tspence

http://72.32.131.210/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=279082&sid=a904c84bf3875f2f14e830d7bb57885e

Too funny lol

The greatest Troll Job of all time

TheGrey08 wrote:

worldK wrote:Love for wiggins,bennet,haywood and a number 1 pick is what il be happy to take from the cavs. Not sure how salary works out but that is reportedly the deal/offer.

I can understand flip wanting to unload brew/martin as we have a surplus of wing players. I do hope that flip is only playing golden state in order to make the cavs bid higher. I dont want the golden state deal.

I really want to stick it to the warriors and their fans. They were claiming all along that they won trade klay for love and they value klay as much as they do love. Well, I dont care if they relented. I would like to see them go ahead and pay klay the max next season and have the most expensive starting five in the league. The same five that wont make them a contender.

That trade doesn't work. Wiggins counts as 0 salary in the trade. The Cavs need to include 2 of: Bennett/Thompson/Waiters plus a little more salary. EX: Wiggins/Bennett/Thompson/Haywood for Love/GR3

We can blame the NBA for doing things so stupidly regarding trades/draft picks/rookies. Logically Wiggins should have around a 4.5 mill cap hold that should count in a trade. Or not have stupid rules of not being able to trade a newly signed rookie for 30 days. If either was the case we could see a deal like:

Wiggins/Bennett/Thompson/1st for Love/GR3/Brewer or Bud or Martin

Actually, if the Cavs include both Thompson and Bennett, they won't have to include Waiters or Haywood. They can just toss in one of their two minimum salary SGs, Felix or Dellavadova. That's the simplest deal -- Love and GRIII to the Cavs for Wiggins, Thompson, Bennett and Felix. The Wolves would buy out Felix after which we'd have a full 15-player roster pending any further more minor deals to better balance the roster. I would also expect to get one future first out of the deal, but it might be the Cavs' own pick rather than the Miami pick.

This is the deal that makes the most sense for both teams. It allows Cleveland to retain Waiters as their starting SG teaming with Kyrie in the backcourt behind a front line of LeBron, Varejao and Love. That would be a hell of a starting five in the East. That starting unit would be backed by a bench that would include Mike Miller, Ray Allen, Haywood and several others yet to sign who would take a lot less just to play with LeBron and his emerging powerhouse team.

The two teams could expand the deal to give the Cavs some more veteran assets like Turiaf and/or Brewer. Blatt may have fond memories of Shved from the Russian National team and push to include Shved. Any of these scenarios would require the Cavs to include some more players in the deal. I don't see that happening, but I'm guessing the delay stems from Flip trying to expand the deal to clear a player or two off our roster.

As I indicated in my initial post in this thread, I still expect a Love-Wiggens deal to be done and announced by Noon Monday unless the Warriors poney up Klay, Lee, Barnes and Draymond Green. The Warriors would get Love, Robinson, Martin and Barea. I suspect that Flip would prefer that deal. But LeBron will likely push the Cavs' front office to put more on the table.

LeBron is smarter than the Cavs owner and front office personnel. He understands that getting Love will be pivitol to the Cavs championship aspirations and he will do all he can to make sure the opportunity to get Love doesn't slip away over a head case like Waiters, an untested rookie with a shaky handle (Wiggins), a rookie failure (Bennett), a mediocre young PF (T. Thompson) or a future mid 1st round pick.

Am I the only one here that doesn't want to see GRIII traded. I get that we might have too many SFs but I"d trade Brewer or Shabazz before GRIII. I also think GRIII could play either SG or SF and could in time be a pretty valuable team member. I love his unselfish attitude, his athleticism and his pedigree. I don't know how high his ceiling is but nbadraft.net mentioned Trevor Ariza as a comparison.

TeamRicky wrote:Am I the only one here that doesn't want to see GRIII traded. I get that we might have too many SFs but I"d trade Brewer or Shabazz before GRIII. I also think GRIII could play either SG or SF and could in time be a pretty valuable team member. I love his unselfish attitude, his athleticism and his pedigree. I don't know how high his ceiling is but nbadraft.net mentioned Trevor Ariza as a comparison.

It has to be GRIII because he has no salary and Cleveland doesn't have the salaries to match realistically if Brewer or even Shabazz is added to the deal. And I don't see Flip trading Shabazz under any circumstances.

lipoli390 wrote:

TheGrey08 wrote:

worldK wrote:Love for wiggins,bennet,haywood and a number 1 pick is what il be happy to take from the cavs. Not sure how salary works out but that is reportedly the deal/offer.

I can understand flip wanting to unload brew/martin as we have a surplus of wing players. I do hope that flip is only playing golden state in order to make the cavs bid higher. I dont want the golden state deal.

I really want to stick it to the warriors and their fans. They were claiming all along that they won trade klay for love and they value klay as much as they do love. Well, I dont care if they relented. I would like to see them go ahead and pay klay the max next season and have the most expensive starting five in the league. The same five that wont make them a contender.

That trade doesn't work. Wiggins counts as 0 salary in the trade. The Cavs need to include 2 of: Bennett/Thompson/Waiters plus a little more salary. EX: Wiggins/Bennett/Thompson/Haywood for Love/GR3

We can blame the NBA for doing things so stupidly regarding trades/draft picks/rookies. Logically Wiggins should have around a 4.5 mill cap hold that should count in a trade. Or not have stupid rules of not being able to trade a newly signed rookie for 30 days. If either was the case we could see a deal like:

Wiggins/Bennett/Thompson/1st for Love/GR3/Brewer or Bud or Martin

Actually, if the Cavs include both Thompson and Bennett, they won't have to include Waiters or Haywood. They can just toss in one of their two minimum salary SGs, Felix or Dellavadova. That's the simplest deal -- Love and GRIII to the Cavs for Wiggins, Thompson, Bennett and Felix. The Wolves would buy out Felix after which we'd have a full 15-player roster pending any further more minor deals to better balance the roster. I would also expect to get one future first out of the deal, but it might be the Cavs' own pick rather than the Miami pick.

This is the deal that makes the most sense for both teams. It allows Cleveland to retain Waiters as their starting SG teaming with Kyrie in the backcourt behind a front line of LeBron, Varejao and Love. That would be a hell of a starting five in the East. That starting unit would be backed by a bench that would include Mike Miller, Ray Allen, Haywood and several others yet to sign who would take a lot less just to play with LeBron and his emerging powerhouse team.

The two teams could expand the deal to give the Cavs some more veteran assets like Turiaf and/or Brewer. Blatt may have fond memories of Shved from the Russian National team and push to include Shved. Any of these scenarios would require the Cavs to include some more players in the deal. I don't see that happening, but I'm guessing the delay stems from Flip trying to expand the deal to clear a player or two off our roster.

As I indicated in my initial post in this thread, I still expect a Love-Wiggens deal to be done and announced by Noon Monday unless the Warriors poney up Klay, Lee, Barnes and Draymond Green. The Warriors would get Love, Robinson, Martin and Barea. I suspect that Flip would prefer that deal. But LeBron will likely push the Cavs' front office to put more on the table.

LeBron is smarter than the Cavs owner and front office personnel. He understands that getting Love will be pivitol to the Cavs championship aspirations and he will do all he can to make sure the opportunity to get Love doesn't slip away over a head case like Waiters, an untested rookie with a shaky handle (Wiggins), a rookie failure (Bennett), a mediocre young PF (T. Thompson) or a future mid 1st round pick.

Why do you think noon on Monday Lip? I guess I feel like Flip has the Cavs in a corner/boxed in because of LeBron and his wishes so he will eventually get the package he wants no matter what, but I think it might take a week to get it.

lipoli390 wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:Am I the only one here that doesn't want to see GRIII traded. I get that we might have too many SFs but I"d trade Brewer or Shabazz before GRIII. I also think GRIII could play either SG or SF and could in time be a pretty valuable team member. I love his unselfish attitude, his athleticism and his pedigree. I don't know how high his ceiling is but nbadraft.net mentioned Trevor Ariza as a comparison.

It has to be GRIII because he has no salary and Cleveland doesn't have the salaries to match realistically if Brewer or even Shabazz is added to the deal. And I don't see Flip trading Shabazz under any circumstances.

I understand GRIII's salary is better to make the deal happen which sux. I would think if we take on Wiggins, one of Brewer, Muhammad or GR3 will go and its likely GR3, but I'm hoping a third team gets involved that would want Brewer or Muhammad or we keep all 3.

I`m really high on Waiters and his potential. I`m not sure how the salaries work, but we shouldn`t agree on a deal with the Cavs, if we will not get Waiters included (with Wiggins, of course). It remind me a big mistake we did in the Garnett trade with Boston, as we asked for young Rondo (which couldn`t shoot) and instead we compromise on young Telfair. In my opinion, in a few years from now Wiggins & Waiters have the best potential to become the best players that the Cavs has and can offer us in a deal for Love.

Lip, you mentioned that Blatt may have fond memories of Shved from the Russian National team and push to include Shved.

I totally disagree with that, Blatt doesn`t believe in Euro players. He prefer, with no doubt, american players. so no Shved in the deal as I see it.