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Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 2:33 pm

60WinTim wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 1:46 pm

FNG wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 1:40 pm

Joe Cowley wrote about this, and he's quite connected to the Bulls. The Bulls are concerned that a Giddey/White backcourt is defensively challenged, and think Donte would be a defensive upgrade for them. So the rumored deal is Donte, Shannon and a pick for White. Seems like a lot, but I guess I would at least consider it.

I having a difficult time seeing how White is an upgrade over Donte... Yuck!

DDV is a certain liability passing and dribbling though, two things White is very good at which could really help unlock our offense more. DDV, slight edge on deep shooting, maybe an edge on defense. I think the two are close. I value White as a better player for us, his defense could even jump playing here.

However I would not give them TJ and a pick, thats ridiculous of course!!! Straight up is probably fair. The kicker is DDV has a fair long term deal, White is a FA.

White has an assist rate barely higher than Ant and DDV. He is not really all that great of a passer by NBA point guard standards. Yes, he's probably slightly less likely to cough the ball up bringing it up the court.

It feels like we can get 80% of White at 20% of the salary in Bones.

I simply do not understand the fascination with Coby White and I don't see how him, Ant and Randle work better on offense together than what we have know. In fact I'm confident it would be worse.

Feel like the "We need a point guard!!!" Obsession is making some folk really lose the forest for the trees and has them wanting to add significantly worse players than Julius Randle or whoever just so the most diminutive player on the court can fit the preconceived perception of a point guard.

I wouldn't be after Coby for his assist rates. The Wolves clearly need someone else reliable with the ball that will punish teams for doubling Ant. The reality is that the current roster lacks that player. Julius, Naz, Jaden, and Donte have their strengths but don't often enough "make shit happen" for the offense when things get really tough.

AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 3:15 pm I simply do not understand the fascination with Coby White and I don't see how him, Ant and Randle work better on offense together than what we have know. In fact I'm confident it would be worse.

Feel like the "We need a point guard!!!" Obsession is making some folk really lose the forest for the trees and has them wanting to add significantly worse players than Julius Randle or whoever just so the most diminutive player on the court can fit the preconceived perception of a point guard.

I don't know if White is the answer, but as far as the "we need a point guard thing" We have no chance against OKC without a competent point guard that can protect the ball and calm things down. Even with that point guard, I don't think we can beat OKC in a 7 game series, but if you want to have a chance that is the only option. I'm not sure if we can get through Houston's defense either without a point guard. If we are happy getting to the 2nd round, than we should stay as is.

An interesting thing about the rumored trade is it can happen any time -- there is no 12/15 restriction.

Here's an expanded trade that I find interesting. It works, but must wait until 12/15:

Randle, Shannon and Miller for White and Vucevic. Let's go!

rapsuperstar31 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 4:25 pm

AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 3:15 pm I simply do not understand the fascination with Coby White and I don't see how him, Ant and Randle work better on offense together than what we have know. In fact I'm confident it would be worse.

Feel like the "We need a point guard!!!" Obsession is making some folk really lose the forest for the trees and has them wanting to add significantly worse players than Julius Randle or whoever just so the most diminutive player on the court can fit the preconceived perception of a point guard.

I don't know if White is the answer, but as far as the "we need a point guard thing" We have no chance against OKC without a competent point guard that can protect the ball and calm things down. Even with that point guard, I don't think we can beat OKC in a 7 game series, but if you want to have a chance that is the only option. I'm not sure if we can get through Houston's defense either without a point guard. If we are happy getting to the 2nd round, than we should stay as is.

Agree here with Rap. We've needed another ball handler since we were eliminated and I was REALLY surprised we didn't address it in the offseason. Now that it's obvious we need a ball handler and court leader we should make a move if we have any hope of competing this season.

Q-is-here wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 2:57 pm

Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 2:33 pm

60WinTim wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 1:46 pm

I having a difficult time seeing how White is an upgrade over Donte... Yuck!

DDV is a certain liability passing and dribbling though, two things White is very good at which could really help unlock our offense more. DDV, slight edge on deep shooting, maybe an edge on defense. I think the two are close. I value White as a better player for us, his defense could even jump playing here.

However I would not give them TJ and a pick, thats ridiculous of course!!! Straight up is probably fair. The kicker is DDV has a fair long term deal, White is a FA.

White has an assist rate barely higher than Ant and DDV. He is not really all that great of a passer by NBA point guard standards. Yes, he's probably slightly less likely to cough the ball up bringing it up the court.

It feels like we can get 80% of White at 20% of the salary in Bones.

It's still higher. Is he elite at point? No, but he's pretty good and other guys like DDV are playing with Ant most of the time, which makes their life that much easier. Which if you project to White playing with Ant could make him a better player as well.

You're just going to get a lot more open shots and easy driving lanes playing with a superstar like Ant.

The only issue I have is he is a FA. Could you agree to a fair extension with a trade though? Maybe. I kind of like the idea overall.

Coolbreeze44 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 5:59 pm

rapsuperstar31 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 4:25 pm

AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 3:15 pm I simply do not understand the fascination with Coby White and I don't see how him, Ant and Randle work better on offense together than what we have know. In fact I'm confident it would be worse.

Feel like the "We need a point guard!!!" Obsession is making some folk really lose the forest for the trees and has them wanting to add significantly worse players than Julius Randle or whoever just so the most diminutive player on the court can fit the preconceived perception of a point guard.

I don't know if White is the answer, but as far as the "we need a point guard thing" We have no chance against OKC without a competent point guard that can protect the ball and calm things down. Even with that point guard, I don't think we can beat OKC in a 7 game series, but if you want to have a chance that is the only option. I'm not sure if we can get through Houston's defense either without a point guard. If we are happy getting to the 2nd round, than we should stay as is.

Agree here with Rap. We've needed another ball handler since we were eliminated and I was REALLY surprised we didn't address it in the offseason. Now that it's obvious we need a ball handler and court leader we should make a move if we have any hope of competing this season.

Sure we need a ball handler, but running full speed to trade assets for any guard with a hint of name recognition will most likely result in a face plant.

I'm not convinced that the current configuration of the roster is a contender and they certainly aren't beating OKC, but then no one seems to be doing that. That doesn't change the fact that Randle and Dante are good players and valuable assets, so you better be sure you're getting a good player in return. I'd rather not have to squint to convince myself that some like White will benefit the team, especially at that cost

AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 6:42 pm

Coolbreeze44 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 5:59 pm

rapsuperstar31 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 4:25 pm

I don't know if White is the answer, but as far as the "we need a point guard thing" We have no chance against OKC without a competent point guard that can protect the ball and calm things down. Even with that point guard, I don't think we can beat OKC in a 7 game series, but if you want to have a chance that is the only option. I'm not sure if we can get through Houston's defense either without a point guard. If we are happy getting to the 2nd round, than we should stay as is.

Agree here with Rap. We've needed another ball handler since we were eliminated and I was REALLY surprised we didn't address it in the offseason. Now that it's obvious we need a ball handler and court leader we should make a move if we have any hope of competing this season.

Sure we need a ball handler, but running full speed to trade assets for any guard with a hint of name recognition will most likely result in a face plant.

I'm not convinced that the current configuration of the roster is a contender and they certainly aren't beating OKC, but then no one seems to be doing that. That doesn't change the fact that Randle and Dante are good players and valuable assets, so you better be sure you're getting a good player in return. I'd rather not have to squint to convince myself that some like White will benefit the team, especially at that cost

I agree completely. The idea that swapping Donte for Coby would make us competitive with OKC is laughable. Giving up additional assets for Coby would go from dumb to to dumber.

What I'm struggling to understand in all of this with the conversation about point guard, is that it's not actually the biggest problem facing the team.

It may be easier to just point at a position of need and say, "that's it, get the best guy you can for that position and we're set." But if they do that without fixing more systemic issues then theu will likely still be moored in being competitive, but not contending- funny to suggest after back to back WCFs, but it appears to be the case.

The more significant challenge facing the team is the increasingly obvious fact that Jaden is being wasted as a wing/POA defender. He needs to be the PF on offense and his versatility tapped more on defense. The way OKC uses Chet on defense is the perfect blueprint for Jaden, albeit Jaden would better on ball then Chet.

To do this they need a new starting SF not a PG. Of course Randle is also in the way, which is really what this problem hinges on--- hes a good player! Randle has been sensational for the Wolves since March of last year and is a significant driving force on the offensive end. Should the team really move on from him without serious consideration of the ramifications? Further, if you do move him for a big fish like Fox or Ball- is Naz a starter now? Is that lineup better than what currently exists?

Ok so conversely you keep Randle and aim for a smaller target to play point. Losing Naz or Dante would be a big blow imo given the team's dire depth situation, so once again would trading Dante as a starter for... Idk...Coby White I guess, address anything regarding the poor bench scoring or inconsistent ball contain?

I get that better ball handing is needed, but I'm not sure how you get to that point without having just gone in a big circle to find you're in the same spot.