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Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:08 pm
by Coolbreeze44
Mr. Brightside wrote:Q12543 wrote:Mr. Brightside wrote:General thoughts on the players being mentioned in this thread.
1. I'm leaning towards Hield as my favorite for pick #5. He'd add significant shooting and scoring to the bench which will be welcomed with open arms. Can you imagine the open shots he'd get when playing with Rubio? His defense is underrated in my opinion as he has pretty good length and size for the position (6' 9.25" wingspan per DX). The only concern I have with him is that he might need a high volume of shots to be effective. However, shooting/scoring is always welcome. He'd instantly be the best shooter on roster, too. Hield's floor is a more athletic JJ Reddick with a pretty good ceiling, even though he's slightly older than other prospects. I love Hield's fit.
2. Kris Dunn is right behind Hield for me. As others have mentioned, he'd immediately bring an upgrade defensively to the squad. I like Tyus (I think he's a DJ Augustine type player, eventually), but Dunn would easily supplant him as the back-up PG. He would add a totally different dimension to the bench play and could honestly play the 2 spot in some situations (although his shooting is very average). Phenomenal length and size with above average athleticism makes Dunn extremely intriguing. I'm not advocating trading Rubio as I'm a huge Rubio backer, and I believe he has tangibles that cannot be measured in a box score. However, Dunn would give us some insurance if Rubio never improves as a jumpshooter/finisher around the rim. I just love the defensive potential and dynamic Dunn would bring. John Wall is my ceiling for Dunn.
3. Jamal Murray is third for me behind the guys above. He won't be the defender that Dunn will be and wont quite be the shooter/scorer that I believe Hield will turn out to be. Murray would definitely add scoring/shooting, but he just doesn't seem to fit as well as the other two. Reminds me a little bit of Eric Gordon.
I think it comes down to these 3, really. I want absolutely nothing to do with Marquese Chriss due to lack of rebounding and defense. He was historically bad as a rebounder in college and gives little effort on defense. Reports are that his BBIQ is low as well. Skal Labissiere is the big I would take a gamble on if I had to at #5.
Good stuff Mr. Brightside and welcome aboard. Many of us kept our ESPN monikers as you can tell! Have you been lurking this whole time or did you just recently stumble into us here? This is a fairly obscure place for a Wolves board and doesn't have a huge crowd, but the discussions are robust and intelligent for the most part.
Funny you ask. I've been a member of the KFAN board for quite a while now and was my main board after the ESPN board was shut down. I'm totally serious when I say that yesterday I said to myself "I wonder if the old ESPN posters have a board." So I googled "Minnesota Timberwolves message boards" and this was the first one that came up. I clicked on it and noticed some familiar names. Because of the great discussions on the old ESPN boards, I figured I'd join today and add some discussion from time to time. Good to be back with you all.
Awesome that you found us. The board is still excellent with lots of informed posters and good activity. It's probably a little more edgy than you remember the old ESPN board, but much tamer than what you are used to at KFAN.
Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:06 pm
by Monster
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Mr. Brightside wrote:Q12543 wrote:Mr. Brightside wrote:General thoughts on the players being mentioned in this thread.
1. I'm leaning towards Hield as my favorite for pick #5. He'd add significant shooting and scoring to the bench which will be welcomed with open arms. Can you imagine the open shots he'd get when playing with Rubio? His defense is underrated in my opinion as he has pretty good length and size for the position (6' 9.25" wingspan per DX). The only concern I have with him is that he might need a high volume of shots to be effective. However, shooting/scoring is always welcome. He'd instantly be the best shooter on roster, too. Hield's floor is a more athletic JJ Reddick with a pretty good ceiling, even though he's slightly older than other prospects. I love Hield's fit.
2. Kris Dunn is right behind Hield for me. As others have mentioned, he'd immediately bring an upgrade defensively to the squad. I like Tyus (I think he's a DJ Augustine type player, eventually), but Dunn would easily supplant him as the back-up PG. He would add a totally different dimension to the bench play and could honestly play the 2 spot in some situations (although his shooting is very average). Phenomenal length and size with above average athleticism makes Dunn extremely intriguing. I'm not advocating trading Rubio as I'm a huge Rubio backer, and I believe he has tangibles that cannot be measured in a box score. However, Dunn would give us some insurance if Rubio never improves as a jumpshooter/finisher around the rim. I just love the defensive potential and dynamic Dunn would bring. John Wall is my ceiling for Dunn.
3. Jamal Murray is third for me behind the guys above. He won't be the defender that Dunn will be and wont quite be the shooter/scorer that I believe Hield will turn out to be. Murray would definitely add scoring/shooting, but he just doesn't seem to fit as well as the other two. Reminds me a little bit of Eric Gordon.
I think it comes down to these 3, really. I want absolutely nothing to do with Marquese Chriss due to lack of rebounding and defense. He was historically bad as a rebounder in college and gives little effort on defense. Reports are that his BBIQ is low as well. Skal Labissiere is the big I would take a gamble on if I had to at #5.
Good stuff Mr. Brightside and welcome aboard. Many of us kept our ESPN monikers as you can tell! Have you been lurking this whole time or did you just recently stumble into us here? This is a fairly obscure place for a Wolves board and doesn't have a huge crowd, but the discussions are robust and intelligent for the most part.
Funny you ask. I've been a member of the KFAN board for quite a while now and was my main board after the ESPN board was shut down. I'm totally serious when I say that yesterday I said to myself "I wonder if the old ESPN posters have a board." So I googled "Minnesota Timberwolves message boards" and this was the first one that came up. I clicked on it and noticed some familiar names. Because of the great discussions on the old ESPN boards, I figured I'd join today and add some discussion from time to time. Good to be back with you all.
Awesome that you found us. The board is still excellent with lots of informed posters and good activity. It's probably a little more edgy than you remember the old ESPN board, but much tamer than what you are used to at KFAN.
I'm glad you found us here. IMO this might be a little more edgy but KFAN board has gotten even worse the past few years. I go over there (or RealGM) and read a thread or 2 when I get board or really interested in what more fans thing about a certain topic.
Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:21 pm
by Monster
I am a BPA and have said 2 MN sports franchises in 2016 (Vikings and Wolves) were well positioned to do just that. The Vikings stayed pat and took Treadwell even though they had other offers. Obviously the NFL and NBA drafts are completely different animals. I agree fit should ONLY be used if things are close, but I do think that even in the NBA it is important to look at.
Lets just hypothetically say Layden and Thibs (like everyone else seems to) have the guards at a tier above any bigs (aside from Bender). They look at the roster and say "We like those guys, but man where are we going to play them? II mean sure we may end up moving on from Bazz and Maybe Tyus won't be a part of the team going forward its to early to say, but we like both guys. and then we have Wiggins, Lavine and Rubio. We can make it work, but it could be a challange and we wouldn't have much room to play any vets we would want to acquire." Lets also say they REALLY like a big (or maybe 2 of them) in the next tier "Man Poeltl or Ellenson (just throwing out names) may not be perfect, but those guys could help this team out a lot if we could get them." On top of that they see a guy farther down in the draft they would really like to get as well maybe Valentine.
My point is that usually its quality over quantity, but if you can get 2 guys (or a future asset like a draft pick) you REALLY think could be good players for your team (with at least 1 of them a better fit) instead of one you REALLY like more that MIGHT be worth it. To me I only see trading down a couple spots though. that trade down to #7 and #15 sounds good because you may be able to get one of those top guys anyway while also getting another intriguing player. I doubt Denver does that it seems like alot to give up. I'm just hoping we get a good player out of this draft wherever we end up picking. If we get one of the guards great I am all for it and its very possible the Wolves can buy a pick to get a guy they like later in the draft. Maybe they already have some decent sense of that already. I doubt they know that but they are certainly doing their homework.
Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:24 pm
by Monster
bleedspeed177 wrote:I like both Buddy and Sabonis a ton. Sabonis just seems like he would be the glue on this team.
Sabonis, Dieng and Bjelica would be an interesting (in a good way) combination of glue guys.
Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:31 pm
by Monster
TheFuture wrote:Has anyone else read/watched much on AJ Hammons center out of Purdue? He's old at 24, and hasn't always asserted himself, but by looking at the numbers he seems to wreak havoc when he wants to. At 7 foot 270 pounds he is a load, and he's also athletic. Rebounds, blocks shots extremely well, has an advanced offensive game. I know he has character flags, and has been in the coaches doghouse many times over his college career. He is projected to go late first/early 2nd because of the age/character concerns, but looks to be worth a flyer. Worth the risk of buying an early 2nd rounder? Maybe Payne can still net one?
Well, I was looking at more on him and saw his Wikipedia page at the top of google says he died may 27th? I can't find any other news on that, anyone else know something?
I'm a big 10 guy and so I have some info on him. I remember watching him in person as a sophomore and thinking this guy is gonna be good. NBA body moves well has some moves nice touch etc. HE improved, but not at a great rate. This year he was part of a combo of bigs that was tearing people up at times. What I heard a few weeks ago is that there are questions about whether he is really into the game of basketball or not. Its not that he doesn't care its just will he take it as seriously as he really needs to make it at the next level. You know a guy like Buddy is all in but Hammonds...that would explain the way he sort of disappears here and there. At times though the guy was a total beast especially defensively. A team should certainly take a flyer on him in the 2nd round. Remember Chase Budinger dropped down because of questions about him caring about the game (reminds me of the narrative about Jake Layman who is nicely talented but is projected as a 2nd rounder) and that turned out well and would be even better if the guy could stay healthy. The bottom line is that guys like Hammonds is a reason why you wonder about taking a big center at the top because there are gems later in the draft.
Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:35 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
Hypothetically speaking, let's say that Sabonis by some chance does fall out of the lottery. I don't think that will happen, but let's play with the idea. Danny Ainge and the Boston Celtics have all these first round picks and almost certainly won't come away from the draft with more than two rookies. Actually, it doesn't even have to be Boston, but I named them, so, anyways. You see Sabonis dropping to a reasonable range and you figure it's time to pick up the phone. The other side of that phone call is willing to deal their pick, but the price is one Shabazz Muhammad. Are you making that deal? Because I am.
Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 6:14 pm
by Coolbreeze44
Camden wrote:Hypothetically speaking, let's say that Sabonis by some chance does fall out of the lottery. I don't think that will happen, but let's play with the idea. Danny Ainge and the Boston Celtics have all these first round picks and almost certainly won't come away from the draft with more than two rookies. Actually, it doesn't even have to be Boston, but I named them, so, anyways. You see Sabonis dropping to a reasonable range and you figure it's time to pick up the phone. The other side of that phone call is willing to deal their pick, but the price is one Shabazz Muhammad. Are you making that deal? Because I am.
Agreed
Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:28 pm
by Monster
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Camden wrote:Hypothetically speaking, let's say that Sabonis by some chance does fall out of the lottery. I don't think that will happen, but let's play with the idea. Danny Ainge and the Boston Celtics have all these first round picks and almost certainly won't come away from the draft with more than two rookies. Actually, it doesn't even have to be Boston, but I named them, so, anyways. You see Sabonis dropping to a reasonable range and you figure it's time to pick up the phone. The other side of that phone call is willing to deal their pick, but the price is one Shabazz Muhammad. Are you making that deal? Because I am.
Agreed
That's a REALLY tough one. I literally don't know what I would do.
Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:09 pm
by TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]
I'd trade Bazz for any first round pick in this year's draft, but ideally we could get a top 25 pick. Luwawu, Valentine, McCaw, Prince, Baldwin, Sabonis, Maker and Bentil have been mocked all over the place and if they are available late in the first or second round I'm offering Bazz, Payne, Rudez and possibly the rights to Dubs for picks for the guys I mentioned above. After pick 10, there is significant parity and it would be near impossible to predict where players get drafted.
Re: Official 2016 Draft Thread
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:01 pm
by Lipoli390
Would I trade Bazz for the rights to Sabonis or Poeltl. Yes. But there aren't many others out of the top 10 I'd consider in exchange for Bazz. Maybe Thon Maker. He's a development project, but I think he's going to become an all-star caliber player.